TurdBurglar Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 I'm not so sure Montreal doesn't pull at least a point out of this game. Haven't been many in the last little while where it felt like they could win despite the score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 I benched suzuki for jack hughes in my pool. Whoops. Got it wrong twice in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Slaf has been watching video of big dudes protecting the puck with their backs. Looks like he's applying it tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, BCHabnut said: I benched suzuki for jack hughes in my pool. Whoops. Got it wrong twice in a row. You benched Suzuki in a pool? Any admins around to rightfully get this man banned? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Not one of the prettier Habs games I have seen. But I'll give this much to St-Louis: he has taken the quit out of this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Score four goals and lose in regulation, the perfect result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 St. Louis really needs to stop pulling the goal on offensive zone faceoffs. Win the draw, then pull the goalie. Otherwise, they're going to keep handing opponents quick empty-netters. There's a balance between aggressive and reckless and this falls on the latter side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 Entertaining third period. Slafkofsky had a good game and he looks better and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, dlbalr said: St. Louis really needs to stop pulling the goal on offensive zone faceoffs. Win the draw, then pull the goalie. Otherwise, they're going to keep handing opponents quick empty-netters. There's a balance between aggressive and reckless and this falls on the latter side. I disagree, the extra attacker helps win possession. Maybe not with over two minutes left, but in the final minute you need the extra attacker out there. 3 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Entertaining third period. Slafkofsky had a good game and he looks better and better. Yep, Slaf is showing more and more. First career assist tonight, some slick passing and shooting, and strong battles along the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Neech said: I disagree, the extra attacker helps win possession. Maybe not with over two minutes left, but in the final minute you need the extra attacker out there. It hasn't helped the Habs much (if at all) as they tend to lose the faceoff and never gain possession from it. It's one thing in the final minute as you note but it's reckless to do it off the draw with two and a half minutes left, especially when the player taking the draw was struggling at faceoffs in the game. Win the draw, then you have possession and can pull the goalie. Lose the draw and at least they're not coming down and scoring 10 seconds later which has been the outcome a few times in his tenure already as a result of this strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, dlbalr said: It hasn't helped the Habs much (if at all) as they tend to lose the faceoff and never gain possession from it. It's one thing in the final minute as you note but it's reckless to do it off the draw with two and a half minutes left, especially when the player taking the draw was struggling at faceoffs in the game. Win the draw, then you have possession and can pull the goalie. Lose the draw and at least they're not coming down and scoring 10 seconds later which has been the outcome a few times in his tenure already as a result of this strategy. Anecdotally, I have plenty of memories of us just never getting possession let alone near the net without the extra attacker. At least we're giving ourselves the best chance of scoring. I'd like to believe Marty's decision here is backed by analytics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 no HATTY for Caufield, but it was an entertaining game that they lost Gallagher and Suzuki played well. Finally, Anderson scored and had a string game. Dvorak and Dadonov generated chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyrealist Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 8 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: no HATTY for Caufield, but it was an entertaining game that they lost Gallagher and Suzuki played well. Finally, Anderson scored and had a string game. Dvorak and Dadonov generated chances. Anderson scored recently as well and has been one of the better secondary scoring options, isn’t that big of a surprise especially given playing his former team. Harris and Kova both sucked defensively. All of D had questionable game for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, hockeyrealist said: Harris and Kova both sucked defensively. All of D had questionable game for that matter. Defensive mistakes combined with goaltending mistakes -- this is what many of us were expecting to see regularly, before the season started. Surprisingly, both defence and goaltending have been better than expected this season, but last night it was not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 13 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Too bad Xhekaj fell, he was about to feed that guy BOOOoooooo! Too bad he wasnt smarter and said no thanks to goofy fight, at that point in game, but Arber the Barbarian pleased the fans at least. #26/44/54/58 had 3 shots each. Is almost painful to watch Dadanov play, he dont look like a 20 goal guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 50 minutes ago, DON said: BOOOoooooo! Too bad he wasnt smarter and said no thanks to goofy fight, at that point in game, but Arber the Barbarian pleased the fans at least. #26/44/54/58 had 3 shots each. Is almost painful to watch Dadanov play, he dont look like a 20 goal guy. I actually thought Dadonov played better the last two games. He shows signs of what was a decent player. I agree that the staged fight was useless. Still, since the fight was happening I wanted Xhekaj to break his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 I agree with Brian on there needing to be an adjustment when it comes to the manner in which the goaltender is being pulled. Patrick Roy did it years ago and it worked so everyone began copying it. For me, it’s like a drop shot in tennis. Do it once, and it surprises your opponent. Perform it multiple times, and your opponent will make adjustments and turn on the offensive because you are bringing them to the net. Analogy aside, there are two factors in play here. 1) It is no longer a surprising tactic to pull your goalie with a few minutes left. Teams have made adjustments when it comes to defending this threat for a longer period of time. 2) The team itself has to be good, or have quality training with what to do with the extra man once they have it. 6 on 5 isn’t the exact same as 5 on 4 but the Habs power play is 28th in the league out of 32 teams. It does not surprise me that we are having this conversation in regards to this specific team. The analytics may show that a team has an advantage when they have the “man advantage” but the statistics also show that the Habs themselves are poor in this respect, for whatever reason. I tend to agree that in the case of the Habs, St. Louis’ decision making has been borderline reckless when it comes to pulling the goalie because it has indeed happened many times where the opposing team scores their empty net goal with over 90 seconds left. With that much time left in a one goal game, the Habs are still in it. We go from a situation where the Habs are throwing their guts at the wall and pressing giving it their all, to a joyous celebration and sense of relief for the other team; all of this with plenty of time left still on the clock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 15 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: You benched Suzuki in a pool? Any admins around to rightfully get this man banned? Haha. I benched hugges against suzuki and hughes put up 3 points. He Saud it himself. He's on a heater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I actually thought Dadonov played better the last two games. He shows signs of what was a decent player. I was about to say the same thing. He looked pretty strong last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 16 hours ago, tomh009 said: This is the first game, I think, that our D has really looked like a bunch of rookies. And, oddly, it took the last-place team to do that. I thought Guhle still looked good. Harris, despite his goal, probably had the worst game of his NHL career to date (as short as it may be). Xhekaj i think is gonna be sent down when Mattheson is activated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Commandant said: Xhekaj i think is gonna be sent down when Mattheson is activated. Seems to make the most sense. Let Wideman sit above eating hot dogs, not the young man who can play more in Laval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Commandant said: I thought Guhle still looked good. Harris, despite his goal, probably had the worst game of his NHL career to date (as short as it may be). Xhekaj i think is gonna be sent down when Mattheson is activated. Guhle is a keeper, for sure. And, overall, our D has been a very pleasant surprise. Some people think that Xhekaj would be demoralized in Laval but I think that's highly unlikely. He's been undrafted twice, and worked at Costco to get money for training during COVID. Making space for Matheson (for now) is unlikely to hurt his determination to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 This is just practice of course but I wouldn’t doubt if these pairings are what we see on Saturday with both Wideman and Xhekaj sitting. I think Pitlick was sent back down so maybe we carry 8 Dmen for now? Although I can’t see that long term because other than Wideman, we don’t want anyone sitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I think Pitlick was sent back down so maybe we carry 8 Dmen for now? Although I can’t see that long term because other than Wideman, we don’t want anyone sitting. Laval plays at home tonight so Pitlick can play there and be recalled tomorrow. Matheson is activated, Xhekaj goes down from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Oliver miked up, he politely asked Arber to go. and gave Caufield a compliment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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