xXx..CK..xXx Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: Why pull allen? Fo% has been terrible As I’ve stated before, we are really good at letting in empty net goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Maybe St-Louis wants to develop this part of the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Who cares if they score an empty netter. Losing by 1 or by 2 is the same result. Even if your faceoffs have been bad, you have nothing to lose, you have to put faith in your players and at least try. Leaving the goalie in is giving up and you never want to instill that mentality into the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Good result for the tank, and no one got hurt. Even if Pezzetta drew a bad penalty, he played better than Armia, Anderson, Slafkovsky, etc. Happy for Evans, if he scores every other game, he will become a good grade chip like Leks was. I love watching Guhle play except when he lays flat on the ice to block passes. He could get injured! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DON Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 5 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Happy for Evans, if he scores every other game, he will become a good grade chip like Leks was. No he wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 55 minutes ago, DON said: No he wont. He, he, he, If he scores every other game, sure he will. He has all the other attributes Arturi “cement hands” Lekhonen had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: He, he, he, If he scores every other game, sure he will. He has all the other attributes Arturi “cement hands” Lekhonen had Evans looks like a 10 goal per year, strong defensive 4th liner to me. Lehkonen was more than that IMO. But he was very snake bit for scoring after his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: Evans looks like a 10 goal per year, strong defensive 4th liner to me. Lehkonen was more than that IMO. But he was very snake bit for scoring after his rookie year. Very true, but he was clearly (a) late bloomer, (b) badly misused by our coaches or (c) a guy who can produce when he’s given quality linemates; because he’s almost a PPG this season with the Avs. I never would have imagined that - I saw him as a prototypical third-liner, rock solid defensively, able to chip in here and there offensively but not someone to rely on for meaningful offensive production. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Very true, but he was clearly (a) late bloomer, (b) badly misused by our coaches or (c) a guy who can produce when he’s given quality linemates; because he’s almost a PPG this season with the Avs. I never would have imagined that - I saw him as a prototypical third-liner, rock solid defensively, able to chip in here and there offensively but not someone to rely on for meaningful offensive production. Oh well. With all their injuries, they've been forced to use him on the top line pretty much all season; he's logging over 21 minutes a night. Give him full credit for taking advantage (playing with guys like MacKinnon and Rantanen helps too) but if the Habs played him that much on the top line (he logged 15:00 per night in Montreal), his offensive numbers with the Habs would have looked considerably better as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, dlbalr said: With all their injuries, they've been forced to use him on the top line pretty much all season; he's logging over 21 minutes a night. Give him full credit for taking advantage (playing with guys like MacKinnon and Rantanen helps too) but if the Habs played him that much on the top line (he logged 15:00 per night in Montreal), his offensive numbers with the Habs would have looked considerably better as well. It’s not like we had a plethora of offensive stars up front, though. IF he keeps up his current 65-point pace - a big “if” - then perhaps it’s fair to condemn the lack of imagination on the part of our former coaches that led them to keep a guy with that upside relegated to a primarily defensive role. Water under the bridge, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: It’s not like we had a plethora of offensive stars up front, though. IF he keeps up his current 65-point pace - a big “if” - then perhaps it’s fair to condemn the lack of imagination on the part of our former coaches that led them to keep a guy with that upside relegated to a primarily defensive role. Water under the bridge, of course. Evans is exclusively used in shutdown roles with the worse wingers possible. I am sure he could do better if given the chance, like Leks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, BCHabnut said: Evans looks like a 10 goal per year, strong defensive 4th liner to me. Lehkonen was more than that IMO. But he was very snake bit for scoring after his rookie year. Evans: 52 points over 166 games = 0.31ppg Lehkonen: .41ppg, but with MTL: 147 over 396 = .37ppg I am still of the opinion Evans has as much value as Lehkonen had, specially with his great PK play, cheaper contract than Lehks at the time and good FO% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 I have a feeling that we'll be looking for our replacements for Lekhonen and Danault as long as we've been looking for our replacement for Markov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, Neech said: I have a feeling that we'll be looking for our replacements for Lekhonen and Danault as long as we've been looking for our replacement for Markov. in Hugh-Gort we trust this will not happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: ... I am still of the opinion Evans has as much value as Lehkonen had, specially with his great PK play ... Thank you for the smile and chuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 3 hours ago, BCHabnut said: Evans looks like a 10 goal per year, strong defensive 4th liner to me. Lehkonen was more than that IMO. But he was very snake bit for scoring after his rookie year. Agree, that's basically my thinking. I think of Evans as a perfect 4th line centre who can move up to 3rd line when required. Good team guy, who will score the odd big goal, play good defense and is on a decent contract. Not bad for a 7th round pick. Not huge trade value so no point trading him. I think of Lehkonen as a perfect 3rd liner on a good team who can move up when required as he has the speed to keep up with elite players. Great attitude and team guy. Certainly a lot more value than Evans will ever have but we are comparing a 2nd round pick versus a 7th round pick so you would expect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Not huge trade value so no point trading him. Yes, he seems a fine fit and more valuable to current Habs than in a trade (unlike a Chiarot). He seems a smart player, can skate and pretty good on faceoffs. https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=faceoffpercentages&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20222023&seasonTo=20222023&gameType=2&position=C&playerPlayedFor=franchise.1&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=totalFaceoffs&page=0&pageSize=50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Agree, that's basically my thinking. I think of Evans as a perfect 4th line centre who can move up to 3rd line when required. Good team guy, who will score the odd big goal, play good defense and is on a decent contract. Not bad for a 7th round pick. Not huge trade value so no point trading him. I think of Lehkonen as a perfect 3rd liner on a good team who can move up when required as he has the speed to keep up with elite players. Great attitude and team guy. Certainly a lot more value than Evans will ever have but we are comparing a 2nd round pick versus a 7th round pick so you would expect that. Well Lehks was used primarily in a top 6 role on Stanley cup champion Avs Also playing in top 6 of Stanley cup finalist Habs... I think you could all be wrong here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Well Lehks was used primarily in a top 6 role on Stanley cup champion Avs Also playing in top 6 of Stanley cup finalist Habs... I think you could all be wrong here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 11 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Evans is exclusively used in shutdown roles with the worse wingers possible. I am sure he could do better if given the chance, like Leks Ok so why trade him. Hes 26 (not too old to be part of the future), his contract is cheap (and his extension shouldnt be crazy), and he kills penalties well (something not a lot of our forwards do). So why move him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Commandant said: Ok so why trade him. Hes 26 (not too old to be part of the future), his contract is cheap (and his extension shouldnt be crazy), and he kills penalties well (something not a lot of our forwards do). So why move him Because he is at his peak value on his current contract Pay him more and his value goes down. Give him term and he may need waivers in 3-4 years Edited December 25, 2022 by alfredoh2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 12 hours ago, Commandant said: Ok so why trade him. Hes 26 (not too old to be part of the future), his contract is cheap (and his extension shouldnt be crazy), and he kills penalties well (something not a lot of our forwards do). So why move him 9 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Because he is at his peak value on his current contract Pay him more and his value goes down. Give him term and he may need waivers in 3-4 years IMO it all depends on what is offered in return ... AND ... how HuGo project the centre depth behind Suzuki ... which are NHLers? ... which are NHL centres (including Dach?) ... where do those guys slot (i.e., likely a 1C/2C/3C/4C?) ... in alphabetical order currently they are (with no suggestion all or even most or many are future NHLers): Beck, Belzile, Biondi, Davidson, Farrell, Kapanen, Kidney, Mysak, Olofsson, Pitlick, Richard, Rohrer, Schnarr, Simoneau, Smilanic, Smith, Stephens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 9 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Because he is at his peak value on his current contract Pay him more and his value goes down. Give him term and he may need waivers in 3-4 years He's not at peak value this season, at least let his numbers rebound before trading him. But no rush because he's one of our few good defensive forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Neech said: He's not at peak value this season, at least let his numbers rebound before trading him. But no rush because he's one of our few good defensive forwards. And even if he were at peak value ... you need to have someone else ready to step in before trading him. And I'm not so sure we have that right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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