2023-24 NHL discussion thread

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

2 hours ago, DON said:

How about Utah HC?

 

This isn’t the Premier League. Blech.

[GHT120]

12 hours ago, DON said:

How about Utah HC?

Given the timeframes in which they have had to operate I don't blame them for going this route this season ... now if they pick Utah HC as their permanent name THAT would be different.

[TurdBurglar]

In fairness;

 

"The Montreal Canadiens^{[note 4]} (French: Les Canadiens de Montréal), officially le Club de hockey Canadien (lit. The Canadian Hockey Club)^[5] and colloquially known as the Habs,^{[note 5]} are a professional ice hockey team based in Montreal."

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said:

In fairness;

 

"The Montreal Canadiens^{[note 4]} (French: Les Canadiens de Montréal), officially le Club de hockey Canadien (lit. The Canadian Hockey Club)^[5] and colloquially known as the Habs,^{[note 5]} are a professional ice hockey team based in Montreal."

 

The word “canadien” is complicated, though. Its primary meaning is arguably “French Canadian” even as it does double duty with the more generic meaning of “Canadian citizen.” That’s a lot more interesting than “Utah HC.”

 

In short, the adjective makes a big difference for the Montreal team. It’s somewhere between calling them the “Utah Americans Hockey Club” and the “Utah Mormon Hockey Club.” 

[TurdBurglar]

1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

The word “canadien” is complicated, though. Its primary meaning is arguably “French Canadian” even as it does double duty with the more generic meaning of “Canadian citizen.” That’s a lot more interesting than “Utah HC.”

 

In short, the adjective makes a big difference for the Montreal team. It’s somewhere between calling them the “Utah Americans Hockey Club” and the “Utah Mormon Hockey Club.” 

My only point was Hockey Club vs The Canadian Hockey Club isn't a huge amount of difference.  There's really no reason to criticize Utah for the name and we, as Montreal fans, have even less room to criticize it.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

2 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:

My only point was Hockey Club vs The Canadian Hockey Club isn't a huge amount of difference.  There's really no reason to criticize Utah for the name and we, as Montreal fans, have even less room to criticize it.

 

Listen, it’s hardly a big deal worth arguing about…but I maintain that “The French Canadian Hockey Club of Montreal” is a LOT less generic than “Utah Hockey Club.” 🤷‍♂️

[TurdBurglar]

14 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Listen, it’s hardly a big deal worth arguing about…but I maintain that “The French Canadian Hockey Club of Montreal” is a LOT less generic than “Utah Hockey Club.” 🤷‍♂️

Yet, here you are.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

Interesting observations about the Oilers future from Seravalli, didn't think the Oilers would be able to keep Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard but if the cap goes up enough perhaps it will get done. 

 

Edmonton Oilers to sign Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard for $40 million per year, NHL insider predicts (msn.com)

[GHT120]

1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Interesting observations about the Oilers future from Seravalli, didn't think the Oilers would be able to keep Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard but if the cap goes up enough perhaps it will get done. 

 

Edmonton Oilers to sign Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard for $40 million per year, NHL insider predicts (msn.com)

I think the question is at least as much what else can they do if they do manage to re-sign all three ... Ceci is a summer 2025 UFA, but it will likely cost as much as his current AAV to replace him ... Kane is a summer 2026 UFA, although his NMC becomes a 16-team NYC March 1st, 2025 ... they currently have only $10M this summer to re-sign/replace 6 of 8 current forwards (Holloway, Brown, Carrick, Foegele, Gagner, Henrique, Janmark, Perry) and 2 of 3 current D (Broberg, Desharnais, Stecher) to have one spare upfront and on the blueline ... a little over $11M if they plan to bury Campbell again, although that also means signing/acquiring a back-up goalie.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, GHT120 said:

I think the question is at least as much what else can they do if they do manage to re-sign all three ... Ceci is a summer 2025 UFA, but it will likely cost as much as his current AAV to replace him ... Kane is a summer 2026 UFA, although his NMC becomes a 16-team NYC March 1st, 2025 ... they currently have only $10M this summer to re-sign/replace 6 of 8 current forwards (Holloway, Brown, Carrick, Foegele, Gagner, Henrique, Janmark, Perry) and 2 of 3 current D (Broberg, Desharnais, Stecher) to have one spare upfront and on the blueline ... a little over $11M if they plan to bury Campbell again, although that also means signing/acquiring a back-up goalie.

 

Absolutely. Signing those 3 extends their window and going forward they have Hyman and Hopkins on good contracts. Kane will be gone when his contract runs out. Although Edmonton has never been perceived as the most attractive destination for free agents, the opportunity to play with McDavid/Draisaitl and the opportunity to compete for the cup may appeal to some veteran UFA's who have never won it and aren't as concerned with getting the biggest payday. I don't think they will bury Campbell, they will buy him out. 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

They should let Ceci walk. He sucks IMHO, and I suspect Nurse would look better paired with someone else.

[GHT120]

2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

They should let Ceci walk. He sucks IMHO, and I suspect Nurse would look better paired with someone else.

But from a salary cap perspective, his replacement is likely to "cost" as least as much ... but at least they might be better value for money.

[TurdBurglar]

On 6/18/2024 at 10:26 AM, GHT120 said:

But from a salary cap perspective, his replacement is likely to "cost" as least as much ... but at least they might be better value for money.

Ceci's contract isn't great, but definitely isn't the issue.  Edmonton would be far better exploring giving Nurse away and using his contract space to get 2 players of equal quality as Nurse.  Nurse's demotion to the 3rd pairing for a good portion last 2 rounds is a huge red flag.  A $9m+ defenseman should play very few second pair minutes and never be playing 3rd pair minutes as a designated role.

[DON]

Dubois to the Caps, not with a ten foot pole.

Caps are desperate i guess.

[hab29RETIRED]

3 minutes ago, DON said:

Dubois to the Caps, not with a ten foot pole.

Caps are desperate i guess.

Thank god our mgmt team didn't give into all of the French media types wanting us to get PLD! Might actually be a good move for PLD, since the caps are desperate to get a centre for Ovechkin. 

[TurdBurglar]

10 minutes ago, DON said:

Dubois to the Caps, not with a ten foot pole.

Caps are desperate i guess.

No salary retention as well.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

[GHT120]

Leaves the Capitals with $3.375M to fill 6 roster spots to have one spare forward, one spare D and a backup goalie ... but no major free agents

[dlbalr]

5 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Leaves the Capitals with $3.375M to fill 6 roster spots to have one spare forward, one spare D and a backup goalie ... but no major free agents

 

Backstrom will be back on LTIR next season, giving them a lot more flexibility.  Oshie might be LTIR-bound as well.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

Actually, I don’t think this is such a bad deal for the Caps.

 

If he continues to suck, sure, they’re saddled with a bad contract, but so what? They have zero future anyway. All it will mean is that they’re carrying PLD through a process of bottoming out and then rebuilding. If it takes another two years for Ovie to retire and the team to commit to a rebuild, at that point there will be 5 years left on his deal. Then say the rebuild takes 3-4 years. OK, he’s a problem only at the very end of his contract. A rebuilding team can carry a bad contract (just as we’ve carried a couple, painlessly, through our rebuild).

 

Now let’s imagine the other scenario. PLD regains his form. Boom, they’ve got a 60+ point power centreman to help extend Ovechkin’s career, further postponing the rebuild. Once Ovie retires, PLD would either then become a valuable trade chip, or a veteran cornerstone piece for the kids to follow.

 

Seems to me they’re an example of a team that was in the position to roll the dice on this guy, knowing they can’t really lose either way.

 

 

[Habsfan89]

Just glad PLD isn’t a hab. 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

Canucks re-up Hronek for 7.25 mil for eight years.

 

I was disconcerted by his crap playoff performance, but he had an injury. 40-50 point RD, good chemistry with Hughes, 26 years old…seems like a win for them.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

17 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

Seems to me they’re an example of a team that was in the position to roll the dice on this guy, knowing they can’t really lose either way.

 

 

I agree, at some point PLD has to start looking in the mirror and realize his chances are running out. Does he really want to play in the KHL?? He might just turn it around in Washington. 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

1 minute ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

I agree, at some point PLD has to start looking in the mirror and realize his chances are running out. Does he really want to play in the KHL?? He might just turn it around in Washington. 

 

Everyone acts like PLD is an irredeemable bum, and maybe he is, but I think it’s foolish to dismiss the very real probability of a turnaround. I mean, I’m glad the Habs didn’t trade for him, because we are not in the same situation as Washington. But he came off two consecutive 60-point seasons before landing in LA; and he is 25. Treating him like he’s Alex Galchenyuk is pretty shallow IMHO. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

13 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Everyone acts like PLD is an irredeemable bum, and maybe he is, but I think it’s foolish to dismiss the very real probability of a turnaround. I mean, I’m glad the Habs didn’t trade for him, because we are not in the same situation as Washington. But he came off two consecutive 60-point seasons before landing in LA; and he is 25. Treating him like he’s Alex Galchenyuk is pretty shallow IMHO. 

 

Agree 100%, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he has a decent (60 points) year in Washington. He has had some good years in the past and like you say, he is only 25.