Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 48 minutes ago, DON said: Ottawa Senators (prohockeyrumors.com) So not only is pick #10 & #11 up for trade, pick #7 might be as well? What does it take to get that #7 pick? Winnipeg’s first and Calgary’s first? More? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 28 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: What does it take to get that #7 pick? Winnipeg’s first and Calgary’s first? More? Likely nothing most fans would give ... say, Caufield or Guhle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 50 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: What does it take to get that #7 pick? Winnipeg’s first and Calgary’s first? More? Ottawa is looking for immediate help as they are under some pressure to make the playoffs so they are not looking for later round pick or later year picks. Same goes for Jersey (wants goaltending) and Buffalo as they want immediate help so I don't see the Habs being their dance partners. Quite often when a team says they are open to trading their 1st round pick it really means "yeah we are willing to trade our pick if someone blows us away with an offer". I think the Habs best chance to move up is to find a team drafting in the mid teen range where some combination of (Winnipeg's 1st, a 2nd and 3rd from next year and a Harris/Struble) might entice them or maybe that's not enough. It's quality not quantity the Habs need (they have enough picks), the key is finding a team that is looking for some quantity because maybe they have a thin prospect pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, DON said: Ottawa Senators (prohockeyrumors.com) So not only is pick #10 & #11 up for trade, pick #7 might be as well? Matheson for #7? As much as I'd hate to move him this year, moving up that high may be worth it. If Ottawa was picking #15, and we were LOOKING to move Matheson, I'd want another piece like Pinto. Getting #7 to go along with our #5, could allow us to get a stud forward AND a stud dman, or get some combo of Demidov (if he is still there), Iginla, Lidstrom, Helenius, or Sennecke, and we would probably be set at forward in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 38 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Ottawa is looking for immediate help as they are under some pressure to make the playoffs so they are not looking for later round pick or later year picks. Same goes for Jersey (wants goaltending) and Buffalo as they want immediate help so I don't see the Habs being their dance partners. Quite often when a team says they are open to trading their 1st round pick it really means "yeah we are willing to trade our pick if someone blows us away with an offer". I think the Habs best chance to move up is to find a team drafting in the mid teen range where some combination of (Winnipeg's 1st, a 2nd and 3rd from next year and a Harris/Struble) might entice them or maybe that's not enough. It's quality not quantity the Habs need (they have enough picks), the key is finding a team that is looking for some quantity because maybe they have a thin prospect pool. Matheson. They need veteran help on D. It may even be #7 plus another piece given Matheson's production and salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: What does it take to get that #7 pick? Winnipeg’s first and Calgary’s first? More? Nothing the Habs have (same as picks 10-11)... a goalie i think is what Sens want... like from the Flames. The only way is similar to a Romanov deal, Isles wanted d-man & Hawks wanted a pick. So a 3 team trade seems needed for Habs to get any of 3 'potential' ones. The 3 want NHLers, immediate help like goalie or top six forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Thanks for all the replies I have already said that I would trade Matheson or Guhle to solve the forward issue and #7 pick is mighty tempting. Habs could get two high end forwards at 5 and 7 or as Hab29 suggests a top forward and a top Dman. Two weeks till draft 😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 44 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Matheson. They need veteran help on D. It may even be #7 plus another piece given Matheson's production and salary. Fair point. It might be an awkward trade with a division rival and also that Matheson is a hometown boy who seems to be thriving in Montreal. It takes a lot of cahones for a GM to trade a hometown boy doing well BUT how many times has a GM looked back and wondered why they didn't trade someone when their market value was at a peak. It's a hard thing to do. Turning an aging Jeff Petry into the #7 pick in this draft would be awesome asset management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 16 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Matheson. They need veteran help on D. It may even be #7 plus another piece given Matheson's production and salary. "According to Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun, Ottawa is listening to offers for their seventh overall pick in this month’s draft in order to do so. As Garrioch points out, the likeliest area for a big trade is between the pipes. He reported earlier in the week that the team is aggressively pursuing a goaltending upgrade. They’ve been in conversation with the Flames about Jacob Markström, made a push for the Bruins’ Linus Ullmark and contacted the Predators about Juuse Saros." Ottawa Senators (prohockeyrumors.com) A d-man picked would make for some crazy reactions from HabFans for sure. Two defensemen in the "new era" for the Canadiens | Radio-Canada "The issue can be summarized as follows: if the Canadiens find future first-pair defensemen among the players within their reach and their other options are wingers whose potential is more in line with that of second-line forwards, they won't insist on drafting a forward." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, DON said: As Garrioch points out, the likeliest area for a big trade is between the pipes. He reported earlier in the week that the team is aggressively pursuing a goaltending upgrade. They’ve been in conversation with the Flames about Jacob Markström, made a push for the Bruins’ Linus Ullmark and contacted the Predators about Juuse Saros." Ottawa Senators (prohockeyrumors.com) I expect Ottawa is on the NTC for both Markstrom and Ullmark, and wouldn't expect either to waive it for the Sens ... after making the playoffs, not certain Nashville is looking for a high draft pick for Saros ... it's one thing to call, another to have a hope of making a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 Someone else's take on the draft that came out today. Silayev at 17, Helenius at 19?? That's why I would love to move up from 26 to the teens, somebody really good will fall. It's such an interesting year. There are too many guys I want. Ferrari’s 2024 NHL Draft Rankings: The Final Cut - The Hockey News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Someone else's take on the draft that came out today. Silayev at 17, Helenius at 19?? That's why I would love to move up from 26 to the teens, somebody really good will fall. It's such an interesting year. There are too many guys I want. Ferrari’s 2024 NHL Draft Rankings: The Final Cut - The Hockey News Simon "Snake" Boisvert, a guy in Quebec medias who does lists (not mock drafts, but his own list) also has Silayev veeeery far, like 24th. Projects him as a 3rd pair dman. He swings for the fence and makes his list purely based on talent, doesn't really care about NHL potential as a middle-bottom lineup player. He has a podcast with Mathias Brunet from LaPresse, it's called Processus. He has Connolly #2 and Demidov #5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 11 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: Simon "Snake" Boisvert, a guy in Quebec medias who does lists (not mock drafts, but his own list) also has Silayev veeeery far, like 24th. Projects him as a 3rd pair dman. He swings for the fence and makes his list purely based on talent, doesn't really care about NHL potential as a middle-bottom lineup player. He has a podcast with Mathias Brunet from LaPresse, it's called Processus. He has Connolly #2 and Demidov #5. Oh, that is whom people have been referring to in French media, the snake ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 48 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: Simon "Snake" Boisvert, a guy in Quebec medias who does lists (not mock drafts, but his own list) also has Silayev veeeery far, like 24th. Projects him as a 3rd pair dman. He swings for the fence and makes his list purely based on talent, doesn't really care about NHL potential as a middle-bottom lineup player. He has a podcast with Mathias Brunet from LaPresse, it's called Processus. He has Connolly #2 and Demidov #5. There are those who love Connolly, but of course there are a few warts there. It will be interesting to see who steps up and takes him. Obviously a very talented guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GHT120 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 32 minutes ago, Commandant said: Not good, if true ... but I'll trust the Habs (and other teams) have the detailed medical reports to make their assessments ... depends on the severity of the "slippage" ... some heal with simply physio, others require surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: Not good, if true ... but I'll trust the Habs (and other teams) have the detailed medical reports to make their assessments ... depends on the severity of the "slippage" ... some heal with simply physio, others require surgery. Yes, if teams think this could be some sort of lingering type of injury then it could definitely impact his draft status. He could become the steal of the draft if he drops much because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Pronman is high on Catton; 2024 NHL Draft: Who are Corey Pronman’s favorite prospects? - The Athletic (nytimes.com) Berkly Catton, C, Spokane-WHL "I think Catton is the second-best forward in this year’s draft and I’m a bit confounded as to why this is more of an outlier opinion than the consensus."... "Normally I’d be wary of a 5-foot-10 forward this high in the draft, but players like Jack Hughes, Clayton Keller and Logan Cooley, among others, have shown they can have success if they are supremely talented, which Catton is." Wheeler comments/rankings on some skills; 2024 NHL Draft class superlatives: Ranking the top skaters, shooters, hands and more - The Athletic (nytimes.com) "There are skaters of all shapes and sizes in this group, too. Cayden Lindstrom’s power. Michael Hage’s flow. Berkly Catton’s edges. Anton Silayev’s motion for his size." "Justin Poirier is just pinpoint accuracy. And Tij Iginla’s just got such easy pop off the blade." "Beckett Sennecke and Trevor Connelly would be in the mix with the five from last year as well in terms of pure puck skill, with Tij Iginla and Berkly Catton debatably also in that mix." "Konsta Helenius and Aron Kiviharju get it. Zayne Parekh identifies plays better than anyone in the class. Terik Parascak is right-place-right-time guy." 2024 NHL Draft Rankings - Horn's Final Top 128 for June - The Hockey Writers - - NHL News, Analysis & More "5. Berkly Catton, C, Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Berkly Catton is a remarkably intelligent player, creating chances and advantages for his teammates through clever manipulations rather than through physical force. The Spokane Chiefs have a lack of high-end talent and Catton, the first overall pick from the 2021 WHL Draft, has been leaned upon heavily for the past two seasons. Luckily for the Chiefs, Catton has more than been up to the task this year, scoring points at an absurdly high rate. There were only four players on the Chiefs who scored more than 35 points on the season, and Catton scored 116!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 What IF. Fixing every NHL team’s biggest draft error: Kucherov to Flames? Bergeron to Kings? - The Athletic (nytimes.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 I know the last thing the Habs need is a left D. I am still a fan of Sam Dickinson though, it turns out from listening to this interview that he is also a Habs fan. He seems like a really smart guy. Unlikely the Habs draft him BUT if they trade for a forward before the draft and use up some left D depth to make it happen then you never know. I think Dickinson will be a stud #1 defensemen for a long time. https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/top-prospect-dickinson-on-habs-hypotheticals-acing-ottawa-interv~2941300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I sill like this option, but dont think Habs will choose him at 5. 2024 Draft Profile: Berkly Catton – HabsWorld.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 David Pagnotta on X: "As we discussed, Utah is willing to trade the 6th overall pick in this month’s NHL Draft. ⤵️" / X But NOTHING on what they would be looking for in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 50 minutes ago, GHT120 said: David Pagnotta on X: "As we discussed, Utah is willing to trade the 6th overall pick in this month’s NHL Draft. ⤵️" / X But NOTHING on what they would be looking for in a trade. Utah has tons of draft capital (ie 4 x 2nd rd picks in 2025) so I am guessing they want to make a splash in the new city and look for players than can help them right now. I would love to add the 6th pick but I think there are other teams better positioned to give them what they want. Perhaps a contending team tight against the cap would be interested in working a deal with Utah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 Actually Carolina might be the perfect trading partner for Utah. Necas could be involved, it eases Carolina's cap crunch while providing Utah with some talent that can help right away. Might be a win-win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Actually Carolina might be the perfect trading partner for Utah. Necas could be involved, it eases Carolina's cap crunch while providing Utah with some talent that can help right away. Might be a win-win. Carolina reportedly doesnt want picks or.prospects. they want young nhl.ready talent for Necas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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