2024 NHL Entry Draft

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

18 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Carolina reportedly doesnt want picks or.prospects.  they want young nhl.ready talent for Necas 

 

If that's the case then perhaps Utah is not the ideal partner for them. I would assume they would want them young enough that they are still on ELC's as Carolina does have a cap crunch. 

[GHT120]

10 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Utah has tons of draft capital (ie 4 x 2nd rd picks in 2025) so I am guessing they want to make a splash in the new city and look for players than can help them right now. I would love to add the 6th pick but I think there are other teams better positioned to give them what they want. Perhaps a contending team tight against the cap would be interested in working a deal with Utah. 

Clickbait30 suggests that Caufield or Guhle might be what would interest Utah from the Habs.

[GHT120]

One man's OPINION:

 

https://x.com/THNRyanKennedy/status/1803043226904899877

 

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

15 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

One man's OPINION:

 

https://x.com/THNRyanKennedy/status/1803043226904899877

 

 

 

It's an opinion that easy to verify though, just get out the tape measure. 

[DON]

Picks 6,7.10.11 all potentially available, seems more than normal.

 

Gold Star Hockey, who manages alot of russians; Demidov-Levshunov, etc, did or are having them meet teams meet them in Florida.

Assume Habs mgmt team went or is going.

 

CLIENTS | Gold Star Hockey

 

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

52 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Clickbait30 suggests that Caufield or Guhle might be what would interest Utah from the Habs.

 

I just don't see trading Caulfield, we need scoring and we have an excellent goal scorer signed up to a very good long term contract. Not crazy about trading Guhle either but at least that's a position where we have some depth. But to get something you have to give up something up. The #6 pick won't come cheap if Hughes is interested. 

[DON]

12 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

I just don't see trading Caulfield, we need scoring and we have an excellent goal scorer signed up to a very good long term contract. Not crazy about trading Guhle either but at least that's a position where we have some depth. But to get something you have to give up something up. The #6 pick won't come cheap if Hughes is interested. 

Yes, need more scoring up front, so Caufield trade dosent seem right.

But trade Guhle for Catton, or Iginla, or some forward...? At least kinda makes sense.

[GHT120]

2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

It's an opinion that easy to verify though, just get out the tape measure. 

Apparently that happens Thursday

[GHT120]

2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I just don't see trading Caulfield, we need scoring and we have an excellent goal scorer signed up to a very good long term contract. Not crazy about trading Guhle either but at least that's a position where we have some depth. But to get something you have to give up something up. The #6 pick won't come cheap if Hughes is interested. 

Clickbait30 has also been pushing the "claim" that CC is too much of a partier for some time, although they lay some of the blame on Dvorak who apparently became his roommate. 

[hab29RETIRED]

2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

I just don't see trading Caulfield, we need scoring and we have an excellent goal scorer signed up to a very good long term contract. Not crazy about trading Guhle either but at least that's a position where we have some depth. But to get something you have to give up something up. The #6 pick won't come cheap if Hughes is interested. 

I'd move Matheson before Guhle and no way I'd move Caufield unless if it was for the #1 pick. I don't want to move Matheson and as I've stated before, no need to unless we get a real good offer - Top 10 pick IMO is worth it. 
 

I remember that one year where Boston had 3 straight picks, I think it was 13-14-15. They blew it that year, becuase the guys picked after there picks were impact players. Even the Bruins blew it. I wouldn't mind trying that type of approach.

 

Ottawa needs goaltending and defence. Would Matheson be enough to get their pick? 60 point dman making $4.5m is hard to give up, but given some of the players available this year and where we are at, id move Matheson.

Utah also has a LOT of prospects, but need a veteran D. Would Matheson be an option for their pick as well??

If Matheson can get us the 6th or 7th pick, could we also get a third pick,  Would the jets 1st rounder + 2nd + Harris+ Armia with half retention be enough to get the Philly pick? Would a package like that interest NJD? I know that they are looking for help in goal, but a 10-12 pick seems very high for a goalie.

 

if we get three picks, that could set us up for the next decade if we draft two forwards with a top 6 winger floor, and another RHD. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

7 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

I'd move Matheson before Guhle and no way I'd move Caufield unless if it was for the #1 pick. I don't want to move Matheson and as I've stated before, no need to unless we get a real good offer - Top 10 pick IMO is worth it. 
 

I remember that one year where Boston had 3 straight picks, I think it was 13-14-15. They blew it that year, becuase the guys picked after there picks were impact players. Even the Bruins blew it. I wouldn't mind trying that type of approach.

 

Ottawa needs goaltending and defence. Would Matheson be enough to get their pick? 60 point dman making $4.5m is hard to give up, but given some of the players available this year and where we are at, id move Matheson.

Utah also has a LOT of prospects, but need a veteran D. Would Matheson be an option for their pick as well??

If Matheson can get us the 6th or 7th pick, could we also get a third pick,  Would the jets 1st rounder + 2nd + Harris+ Armia with half retention be enough to get the Philly pick? Would a package like that interest NJD? I know that they are looking for help in goal, but a 10-12 pick seems very high for a goalie.

 

if we get three picks, that could set us up for the next decade if we draft two forwards with a top 6 winger floor, and another RHD. 

 

Agree with your points, would love to get another high pick, Hughes is likely working hard at it. I agree that I would trade Matheson for a top 10 pick.  It's time to package all those picks they have and try and move up.  It's all about quality. 

 

Yes, the Bruins had 13-14-15, they got Debrusk at 14 but 13 and 15 were duds. After 15 Barzal, Kyle Connor and Thomas Chabot were drafted so they missed a real opportunity there. 

[Commandant]

6 hours ago, GHT120 said:

Clickbait30 suggests that Caufield or Guhle might be what would interest Utah from the Habs.

 

LOL F OFf would be my response. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

10 days to go till draft day and the rumours, the hype, the draft rankings, etc… are all driving me crazy. 
 

I bet HuGo have a bunch of irons in the fire at this point. 
 

Next 10 days are gonna drag

[DON]

Locked On NHL Mock Draft Reaction (Part 2) | Analyzing Picks 17-32 - YouTube

 

JUST another mock.
Locked On folks exercise.

 

If dont trade pick #26; Hage/Jumbo-Letourneau/Elick or numerous others seem intriguing prospects in the late 1st. But so did Scherbak/Juulsen/Poehling/Tinordi/McCarron/... i suppose.

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

2 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

LOL F OFf would be my response. 

 

You wouldn't consider trading Guhle for the #6 pick?  

[Commandant]

18 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

You wouldn't consider trading Guhle for the #6 pick?  

 

I have a player who at age 22 has already played 2 seasons of top four minutes, and this past season was as a #2 defenceman, and did well in those minutes.  No, I'm not trading him for a draft pick at 6. 

 

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

22 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

I have a player who at age 22 has already played 2 seasons of top four minutes, and this past season was as a #2 defenceman, and did well in those minutes.  No, I'm not trading him for a draft pick at 6. 

 

 

 

I get your reasoning, I also see Guhle as a defensemen with very good skating ability but also one that gets pushed around and banged up more than he should. I see a top 4 defensemen, just not sure if he is a top pairing defensemen on a top team.  You could get 2 high end forwards from this draft dealing a LD which is a position of strength. Even if you used the pick to draft say a Dickinson, who I believe is a bigger stronger version of Guhle, it may be a good thing.   Sure, there is risk and the unknown factor with a draft pick but there is also potentially higher upside. I just think it's a trade I would consider. 

[Commandant]

Just now, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

I get your reasoning, I also see Guhle as a defensemen with very good skating ability but also one that gets pushed around and banged up more than he should. I see a top 4 defensemen, just not sure if he is a top pairing defensemen on a top team.  You could get 2 high end forwards from this draft dealing a LD which is a position of strength. Even if you used the pick to draft say a Dickinson, who I believe is a bigger stronger version of Guhle, it may be a good thing.   Sure, there is risk and the unknown factor with a draft pick but there is also potentially higher upside. I just think it's a trade I would consider. 

 

"You could get 2 high end forwards from this draft dealing a LD which is a position of strength."

You aren't getting 2 high end forwards from dealing a LD. 

 

Even if the trade goes through, you could get 1.

 

Pick 5 you have whether or not you make the trade so you shouldn't include this picka and what you get from it as one of the potential benefits of a trade. 

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

21 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

"You could get 2 high end forwards from this draft dealing a LD which is a position of strength."

You aren't getting 2 high end forwards from dealing a LD. 

 

Even if the trade goes through, you could get 1.

 

Pick 5 you have whether or not you make the trade so you shouldn't include this picka and what you get from it as one of the potential benefits of a trade. 

 

 

True, I could have worded that part of my reply better. We still have the #5 pick whether we make that trade or not and could get 1 high end forward without any trade.

 

I would still consider the trade though as I think there is upside, always some risk in dealing with young players and picks. Maybe I am not quite as high on Guhle as I used to be, still like him but I think he is tradeable and I think the #6 pick MIGHT be worth the risk. I think Hughes realizes that at some point in the not too distant future he will have to trade a LD. It's hard to develop them all to get maximum value. 

[DON]

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[hab29RETIRED]

4 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

I get your reasoning, I also see Guhle as a defensemen with very good skating ability but also one that gets pushed around and banged up more than he should. I see a top 4 defensemen, just not sure if he is a top pairing defensemen on a top team.  You could get 2 high end forwards from this draft dealing a LD which is a position of strength. Even if you used the pick to draft say a Dickinson, who I believe is a bigger stronger version of Guhle, it may be a good thing.   Sure, there is risk and the unknown factor with a draft pick but there is also potentially higher upside. I just think it's a trade I would consider. 

He may well turn out to be a 2nd pairing dman, But why trade the 22 year old, when the guys you pick may be a 2nd pairing. I'm not concerned about a 22 year old getting pushed around. He has not fully filled out yet.

 

I want to add another pick as well, but not at that cost. I'd much rather move Matheson.

[Helmethead]

Hughes ain’t moving Guhle.   
 

Age 22 dmen with his poise and composure don’t grow on trees. 

He brings stability on our back end. 
 

 

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

43 minutes ago, Helmethead said:

Hughes ain’t moving Guhle.   
 

Age 22 dmen with his poise and composure don’t grow on trees. 

He brings stability on our back end. 
 

 

 

He is going to be 23 soon and he isn’t going to keep growing. He might put on some weight but at 23 there won’t be anything major. 
 

He plays a big man’s game but he isn’t big. He gets his ass thumped every game and has quite a few injuries. 6’3 and 200lbs isn’t big for a Dman. 
 

It’s been said before but HuGo’s job is to look at Guhle and determine what he is going to be long term. This is the balance between over paying on his next contract or trading a future stud vs. correctly identifying a player that isn’t going to reach a high end status. 
 

Guhle played hard minutes on the first pairing but so did Mete. 
 

I don’t think HuGo will trade him anyway and it will be interesting to see how Guhle turns out in a couple of years. 

[Commandant]

He may not get bigger but he can add muscle. 

I also think he's close to reaching his prime and having a breakout.... defenders take longer to develop. 

 

Do you want to take a 23 year old, and replace him with an 18 year old defencemen and have to go through all those growing pains of a young D again, and by the time he's in his prime, Suzuki is in his 30s?

[Prime Minister Koivu]

20 minutes ago, Commandant said:

He may not get bigger but he can add muscle. 

I also think he's close to reaching his prime and having a breakout.... defenders take longer to develop. 

 

Do you want to take a 23 year old, and replace him with an 18 year old defencemen and have to go through all those growing pains of a young D again, and by the time he's in his prime, Suzuki is in his 30s?

These are the tough questions that HuGo needs to answer. 
 

You present a very reasonable position and may very well be right. 
 

I don’t want a Nurse type situation here in Montreal where Guhle gets overrated and then over paid. 
 

The best case scenario is what you mentioned in having a breakout year. Dmen often don’t hit their prime till 25 and maybe Guhle will be one of them. 
 

It’s just my own personal opinion, a fan’s opinion that Guhle will never be more than he is now - I don’t think HuGo agree with me though.