DON Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: It sounds like that's the only type of trade they'll consider. Not a trade out but a small trade back. Kinda thinking Hughes not really considering a similar move of adding more picks; say if Flames really wanted Iginla and cant wait till 9 and want to move up to 5th. Guessing he wants to maximize his top pick this year, as we hope/expect wont be picking in the top 5 for foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 58 minutes ago, DON said: Kinda thinking Hughes not really considering a similar move of adding more picks; say if Flames really wanted Iginla and cant wait till 9 and want to move up to 5th. Guessing he wants to maximize his top pick this year, as we hope/expect wont be picking in the top 5 for foreseeable future. I sure he doesn't move back. I'd rather make sure we fit at least one of the top 4 forwards, or top 3 D. This year there may be 4 forwards picked before us, 1 forward and 3 D, or any permutations in between. I'd rather see ensure we get who they've evaluated to be among the top 5, rather than risk thinking we can get that guy later and find the guys we want our gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 9 hours ago, DON said: Huge growth spurt, some puck skills and a late riser that Hughes might like. 2024 NHL Draft prospect: Beckett Sennecke more than a big body (habseyesontheprize.com) "One of the first things you’re bound to notice when watching a Generals game is the puck-on-a-string ridiculousness that Sennecke is capable of. He has some of the best hands of anyone available in this draft, and can flat-out embarrass opponents with his moves. He can turn defenders and goaltenders inside-out, and tries some really unorthodox looking handles that seem like they should end up as turnovers, but he somehow pulls them off." The note of caution is that sometimes the fabulous moves in junior simply don't work at the NHL level. I have no idea whether that is the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 7 hours ago, Commandant said: I don't see Sennecke as a top 5 pick. To me making that ranking on 6 weeks of playoffs is a bit overrating those results... no one was talking about him in the top 10, never mind the top 5 before the OHL playoffs started. It seems too small a sample size to move him that high. Are you still ranking Helenius in the top 10? He seems to have shown consistent growth through the season, not only in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 11 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Are you still ranking Helenius in the top 10? He seems to have shown consistent growth through the season, not only in the playoffs. I haven't moved him. I don't think he gets drafted at 2, but my rankings are not predicted draft spots. There has been no hockey played since I finalized the rankings, so I'm not gonna change that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Each team’s biggest need at the 2024 NHL Draft: Position, size and skill - The Athletic (nytimes.com) "Montreal Canadiens: Center Montreal has a strong group of young defensemen and wingers coming up. While Nick Suzuki and Kirby Dach are very good players, because of the miss on Jesperi Kotkaniemi, it is lacking quality depth at center." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 6 hours ago, DON said: Each team’s biggest need at the 2024 NHL Draft: Position, size and skill - The Athletic (nytimes.com) "Montreal Canadiens: Center Montreal has a strong group of young defensemen and wingers coming up. While Nick Suzuki and Kirby Dach are very good players, because of the miss on Jesperi Kotkaniemi, it is lacking quality depth at center." Drafting Beck and Kapanan are the depth centres. If Suzuki is a solid 1a/b type centre, If this year Dach proves to be the same, have Newhook as well. So not sure there is a depth problem. With two guys in the pipeline for the #3 role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 4 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Drafting Beck and Kapanan are the depth centres. If Suzuki is a solid 1a/b type centre, If this year Dach proves to be the same, have Newhook as well. So not sure there is a depth problem. With two guys in the pipeline for the #3 role. Bottom six depth, Habs seem to have that, seems have had that every year. But a top-ten scorer, Mats Naslund was the last Hab and he has been retired for 30 years. Top six centres, zero in the pipeline is there? Who/when was the last 1st team All-Star Hab centre... was it in the 70s? Let just say its been awhile and bit overdue. I assume Hughes would prefer to add a top six centre at the draft. Iginla or Lindstrom seems a good fit, if Demidov is gone. 2024 Draft Profile: Cayden Lindstrom – HabsWorld.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Argument to draft a d-man, as simply the best player available. I suppose if Habs pick Buium, then trade a young LH-d as part of package for a top six forward/move up in draft. Xhekaj say? Buium will be going back to Denver for 1 more year. Hughes trades another LH-d next summer, Matheson say? Then Guhle-Hutson-Buium-Struble/Harris wouldnt seem so crowded and Buium-Guhle-Harris all have played RH-d. But, I still think a forward will be it. (And that Verbeek will take local kid Buium at 3 anyways) Inside a potential philosophical draft dilemma for the Canadiens - The Athletic (nytimes.com) "Pronman then mocked Ivan Demidov to the Canadiens at No. 5, but a name that’s been linked to the Canadiens more and more went No. 6 to Utah, and that’s Denver University defenceman Zeev Buium, who just completed the most prolific NCAA season for a draft-eligible defenceman we have ever seen. Buium is not a forward, but he helps the process of pucks winding up in the net." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 A random draft stat: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Heard Habs didnt attend the Milstein combine in Florida, do they already have a read on Demidov and nothing to gain from chatting with him? FWIW: Someone noted his english is surprisingly good during interviews. Buium's offense really stands out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 8 minutes ago, DON said: Heard Habs didnt attend the Milstein combine in Florida, do they already have a read on Demidov and nothing to gain from chatting with him? FWIW: Somone noted his english is surprisingly good during interviews. Both Bobrov and Lapointe were in attendance at Milstein's Florida combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 14 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Both Bobrov and Lapointe were in attendance at Milstein's Florida combine. OK thanks, seemed odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, DON said: Argument to draft a d-man, as simply the best player available. I suppose if Habs pick Buium, then trade a young LH-d as part of package for a top six forward/move up in draft. Xhekaj say? Buium will be going back to Denver for 1 more year. Hughes trades another LH-d next summer, Matheson say? Then Guhle-Hutson-Buium-Struble/Harris wouldnt seem so crowded and Buium-Guhle-Harris all have played RH-d. But, I still think a forward will be it. (And that Verbeek will take local kid Buium at 3 anyways) Inside a potential philosophical draft dilemma for the Canadiens - The Athletic (nytimes.com) "Pronman then mocked Ivan Demidov to the Canadiens at No. 5, but a name that’s been linked to the Canadiens more and more went No. 6 to Utah, and that’s Denver University defenceman Zeev Buium, who just completed the most prolific NCAA season for a draft-eligible defenceman we have ever seen. Buium is not a forward, but he helps the process of pucks winding up in the net." The more I see of Buium the more I like him. He is a smart kid, comes across really well in interviews and from the highlights he seems like a bigger, stronger version of Lane Hutson, very creative, great puck mover. I don't think he will last long. We need more top 10 picks. C'mon Kent get us another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 I saw this post on another board, thought it was pretty good analysis so I am reposting here. "This is my final ranking...not a mock draft. Top 6 Forwards 1- Macklin Celebrini A perfect complete player. He has no flaws in his game...Iq, shot, speed, cardio vision. Great offensively and defensively. He reminds me Sidney Crosby but he will not produce as much stats wise. The dude is a more complete player than Connor Bedard. You can't miss him on the ice on every shift... He will not produce like Bedard at their prime but he will be a 85 to 100 points I guess. 2- Ivan Demidov Amazing skill winger. Great hands. His vision is off chart and he has the ability to make hard long passes from his backhand from any angles. Great attitude as well. He dekes everybody on both sites and he is so good to put the puck away from the defensemen sticks on his forehand with ease. He has a long reach. He is so smooth and spectacular at the same time. 3- Berkly Catton A chess player. He has the best IQ of any forwards in this draft. His zone entrance variations are off the charts. He enters in the o zone with many plays in his mind. He is so good to slowing the game and waiting the 3rd or 4th players from his team to make a sauce pass in a empty area. His passes from both sides are perfect and sometime it put you off guard.. His faculty to attract 2 or 3 opposing players on him is amazing. In the list of sub 6.0 players who were draft further that should have been such as Suzuki, Benson, Stankoven and Seth Jarvis....Berkly Catton is in my view the best of them at the same age. I hesitated a lot between him and Demidov for the second spot. So smooth with an above average shot. He reminds me Nikita Kucherov with his IQ, passes and the way he plays...so relax. He is a student of the game and his desire to improve his game is awesome 4- Beckett Sennecke. Incredible upside. We just Starting to see the surface of his talent. Great shot and hands. His vision is awesome. It is a risk but great reward. His hands are great. He is so hard to read for a defenseman with awkward moves. He has to be better in close areas. An interesting case. 5- Iginla A sure choice. A perfect second line player. I don't see a first line upside on a good team but the dude has a great motor. His shot is lethal and his release..so quick. He is the youngest top forward on this draft. He is a money player who will a shine on big stage. He has a great attitude. He will score a lot in the NHL from the slot and at 5 feet from the goal. Every team needs that type of player 6- Cayden Lindstrom A beast. He is so strong out there. He will be so important on his team. His shot is maybe the best on this draft with Iginla. So powerful and on the target. Awkward skater but fast nonetheless. Average IQ and vision who could have an impact on his production in the NHL but I still see him as a 60 to 80 points player in his prime. Those 6 forwards will have a great NHL career. It is a matter of taste. I favored raw talent like Demidov and Catton but Igina and Lindstrom will be amazing too." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 From that list, based on availability, I would expect the Habs to take Demidov first and then Catton. Hockey IQ plus shot, both with a high ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, tomh009 said: From that list, based on availability, I would expect the Habs to take Demidov first and then Catton. Hockey IQ plus shot, both with a high ceiling. Like 5'11" Suzuki @13th, 5'10" Benson @13th and many others, Catton expected by some to fall some simply due to size. Catton been called the #1 skater in draft and high in other skills/play categories but is just 5'10". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 At this point I believe the Habs value hockey IQ higher than size. We’ll know after draft day whether I’m wrong or right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 Like many of the posters here, I have read many scouting reports, looked at the mock drafts, looked at videos of the players etc etc. etc. as I have great interest in who the Habs will take at 5. I am looking forward to the actual draft finally happening. There seems to be a lot of consensus that Catton's hockey IQ, skill level, skating ability etc are absolutely top notch. At the combine he was measured at 5 foot 10.25", 175 lbs which was a little heavier than I expected. He is certainly smaller than the average player but he is hardly tiny. He also is a hard worker, willing to battle for pucks and is always working hard to improve his game. There is so much to like about Catton. Do you take Lindstrom because his size might translate better in the playoffs, Demidov because of his skill level, Iginla who can do a lot of things or the smaller Catton who is tremendously talented. Not an easy choice for teams to make. Whomever the pro scouts decide on will be fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 9 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Whomever the pro scouts decide on will be fine with me. You risk being barred from the Internet if you are not willing to assume you know more than the professionals who do the actual job related to whatever topic is under discussion ... 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 49 minutes ago, GHT120 said: You risk being barred from the Internet if you are not willing to assume you know more than the professionals who do the actual job related to whatever topic is under discussion ... 😉 LOL I know, but that is a risk I am willing to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 11 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: There seems to be a lot of consensus that Catton's hockey IQ, skill level, skating ability etc are absolutely top notch. At the combine he was measured at 5 foot 10.25", 175 lbs which was a little heavier than I expected. He is certainly smaller than the average player but he is hardly tiny. He also is a hard worker, willing to battle for pucks and is always working hard to improve his game. There is so much to like about Catton. Do you take Lindstrom because his size might translate better in the playoffs, Demidov because of his skill level, Iginla who can do a lot of things or the smaller Catton who is tremendously talented. Not an easy choice for teams to make. Whomever the pro scouts decide on will be fine with me. Habs’ Unpredictable Drafting Will Make 2024 One to Remember – HabsWorld.net Catton mentioned he didnt like his 23g season 22-23 total and said he focused last summer on his shot at home and 54g was result. But is 5'10" and thus likely drop to Sens, Flames or later perhaps? An XXL powerful athletic centre, assume Hughes and most GMs would love to add him; but, I am guessing Columbus picks him at 4. Agree, it seems are a good amount of fine options for sure and i dont know enough to know which i even prefer. Even a LH-d pick of Buium, which would get folks pretty worked up, would be fine by me, but just seems so unlikely. Simply guessing Demidov/Lindstrom/Buium all gone by 5 and Iginla is it. The plan on playing centre in Kelowna this year, likely wont hurt his stock. Just not pulling for a pick of a; Dickinson/Silayev/Eiserman/Parekh/Levshunov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 7 minutes ago, DON said: Habs’ Unpredictable Drafting Will Make 2024 One to Remember – HabsWorld.net Catton mentioned he didnt like his 23g season 22-23 total and said he focused last summer on his shot at home and 54g was result. But is 5'10" and thus likely drop to Sens, Flames or later perhaps? An XXL powerful athletic centre, assume Hughes and most GMs would love to add him; but, I am guessing Columbus picks him at 4. Agree, it seems are a good amount of fine options for sure and i dont know enough to know which i even prefer. Even a LH-d pick of Buium, which would get folks pretty worked up, would be fine by me, but just seems so unlikely. Simply guessing Demidov/Lindstrom/Buium all gone by 5 and Iginla is it. The plan on playing centre in Kelowna this year, likely wont hurt his stock. Just not pulling for a pick of a; Dickinson/Silayev/Eiserman/Parekh/Levshunov. Levshunov won't be available at 5, but if your guess is right and all of Demidov, Lindstrom and Buium are off the board, the Habs have to take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, Commandant said: Levshunov won't be available at 5, but if your guess is right and all of Demidov, Lindstrom and Buium are off the board, the Habs have to take him. Do you think he is much an upgrade on Reinbacher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 3 minutes ago, DON said: Do you think he is much an upgrade on Reinbacher? I think we need depth on the right hand side and I think his all around game is great. While our depth on defence is very good, are we certain that any of those D is better than a #2..... He'd be a number 1, so yes, he's an upgrade. Also everything I'm hearing is that he goes to Chicago at 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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