DON Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Hawks were courting Demidov with dinner last week, pretty standard stuff i know. Levshonev not top 5 for some folks, not agreeing just saying. Ranked #3 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING Ranked #4 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM Ranked #3 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE Ranked #8 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON Ranked #9 by THN/FERRARI Ranked #7 by THN/KENNEDY Ranked #6 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY Ranked #2 by FLOHOCKEY/CHRIS PETERS Ranked #10 by FCHOCKEY Ranked #3 by DAILY FACEOFF Ranked #2 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters) Ranked #2 by HPR/MALLOY Ranked #2 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY Ranked #2 by SPORTSNET/COSENTINO Ranked #3 by SPORTSNET/BUKALA Ranked #11 by RECRUIT SCOUTING Ranked #6 by DOBBERPROSPECTS Ranked #4 by SMAHT SCOUTING Again not agreeing with these folks, just noticed this bit. 2024 NHL Draft: The "Do Not Draft" List - The Hockey Writers - NHL Entry Draft - NHL News, Analysis & More 2024 Do Not Draft List Artyom Levshunov – Do Not Draft Second Overall Let’s start this off with a big bang. All of the talk coming out of the NHL Combine from a Chicago Blackhawks perspective was their possible desire to draft Michigan’s State’s Artyom Levshunov second overall. The team took him out to dinner. Most folks at that time believed this would eventually be the final outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 7 minutes ago, DON said: Let’s start this off with a big bang. All of the talk coming out of the NHL Combine from a Chicago Blackhawks perspective was their possible desire to draft Michigan’s State’s Artyom Levshunov second overall. The team took him out to dinner. Most folks at that time believed this would eventually be the final outcome. One thing I know for sure is that teams (maybe not San Jose because it doesn't matter at #1), are going to be very very secretive about who they want to draft. For one thing they want to maintain maximum leverage in case they want to trade up or down. A lot of stuff you hear is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Whenever I hear analysts say "I hear Chicago is leaning toward this guy" I am always a little skeptical. Montreal didn't take Slaf out to dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 17 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: One thing I know for sure is that teams (maybe not San Jose because it doesn't matter at #1), are going to be very very secretive about who they want to draft. For one thing they want to maintain maximum leverage in case they want to trade up or down. A lot of stuff you hear is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Whenever I hear analysts say "I hear Chicago is leaning toward this guy" I am always a little skeptical. Montreal didn't take Slaf out to dinner. As much as I hate the feeling, I think Chicago goes with Demidov. I've read the reports of them taking Levshonuv, but I can't see them passing on Demidov for the following reasons. 1) until last week, one of the knocks was he was a smaller forward - now we are hearing he is 6ft to 6-1. 2) Russian factor - of all the teams drafting in the top 5 (other then SJS), CHI is in no hurry to get him in their lineup. 3)They are probably going to try to be in on the next two lotteries, so they can pick their dman next year, and probably can get a pretty good one with their 2nd 1st rounder this year as well. With thr number of D available this year, they can also move up from their 2nd 1st round pick. They are a team that can afford to take on bad contracts for the next couple of years for draft capital, and take a salary dump to move up. 4) more importantly, they get their next Kane-Toews, and can focus on filling out the rest of their team knowing they have 2/3 of their future first line. Despite this, I really hope they pass. I can see Anaheim going for a D, but I still doubt Demidov gets past Columbus. Didn't their owner say they won't be taking a forward? If any team probably needs someone to step into their lineup next year, it's probably Columbus. But other than Celebrini, I don't think any of the forwards will be ready - Lindsteom physically is probably the only one that could step in, but given he was hurt most of the season, I can't see him not going back to the WHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 11 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Despite this, I really hope they pass. I can see Anaheim going for a D, but I still doubt Demidov gets past Columbus. I agree with your analysis. Not only is Demidov a little bigger than teams expected but apparently he speaks decent English which will ease some teams concerns about drafting a Russian. Sounds like he really wants to play here. I will very surprised if he is available at 5. If the Habs don't trade up or down I expect it will be a choice between Lindstrom, Iginla or Catton with Buium/Sennecke being perhaps dark horse picks. But I am just guessing like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 41 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: One thing I know for sure is that teams (maybe not San Jose because it doesn't matter at #1), are going to be very very secretive about who they want to draft. For one thing they want to maintain maximum leverage in case they want to trade up or down. A lot of stuff you hear is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Whenever I hear analysts say "I hear Chicago is leaning toward this guy" I am always a little skeptical. Montreal didn't take Slaf out to dinner. The one thing I will say is that for 3 or 4 years in a row, Corey Pronman has nailed the top 5 picks in order, the day before the draft. His final mock is always one to watch and he seems to get inside info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Man I can’t wait to land in Vegas on Tuesday for the madness!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 52 minutes ago, Commandant said: The one thing I will say is that for 3 or 4 years in a row, Corey Pronman has nailed the top 5 picks in order, the day before the draft. His final mock is always one to watch and he seems to get inside info. That's a pretty amazing record. I think this year will be a little tougher to predict but will definitely be paying attention to what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 27 minutes ago, Helmethead said: Man I can’t wait to land in Vegas on Tuesday for the madness!! That should be fun!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Commandant said: The one thing I will say is that for 3 or 4 years in a row, Corey Pronman has nailed the top 5 picks in order, the day before the draft. Yup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 45 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Yup. That's pretty impressive, substitute Nemec for Jiricek and it's perfection. I don't remember anybody else picking Wright at 4. He went against popular opinion on the Wright pick and nailed it. I will have to pay attention this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 NHL Mock Draft 2024: Scott Wheeler’s final predictions for the first two rounds - The Athletic (nytimes.com) Wheeler's mockdraft today: He has Lindstrom at 5 & Demidov 4; opposite of Pronman's. Either outcome sounds good to me. 5. Montreal Canadiens: Cayden Lindstrom, C, Medicine Hat Tigers If the Ducks and Blue Jackets don’t take Lindstrom, I think Montreal or Utah will. I know they had dinner with Tij Iginla at the combine and there is some chatter about Sennecke going really high (I had one OHL source tell me there has been chatter as high as No. 3 about Sennecke), but those feel more like Plan Bs and Lindstrom feels like a perfect fit within the forward group they already have in Montreal. If he’s a center, the Canadiens have their 1-2 with him and Nick Suzuki. If he’s a winger, it’s not hard to imagine him playing alongside (and off of) the smarts of a Suzuki. In the unlikely event that both Lindstrom and Demidov are available, I do wonder if the winds are blowing in Demidov’s direction. And if they do surprise and go with a D, I’d guess that Buium makes the most sense logically." He has Habs picking 26th, a RH-d like this wouldnt hurt to add, already playing in the SHL. 26. Montreal Canadiens (via Winnipeg Jets): Dominik Badinka, RHD, Malmö Redhawks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: That's a pretty amazing record. I think this year will be a little tougher to predict but will definitely be paying attention to what he says. I dont think hes predicting. I think hes got some sources.as to what teams boards look like in the last few hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 4 hours ago, Commandant said: I dont think hes predicting. I think hes got some sources.as to what teams boards look like in the last few hours. WELL, who do you think Hughes picks at 5? I would guess Iginla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Tell me who the first four picks are.... I think it will be one of Lindstrom/Demidov. I think it goes Macklin, Levshunov, Silyaev, and then Columbus takes one of the two and we take the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 11 minutes ago, Commandant said: Tell me who the first four picks are.... I think it will be one of Lindstrom/Demidov. I think it goes Macklin, Levshunov, Silyaev, and then Columbus takes one of the two and we take the other. 2Demidov 3Buium (California kid to Ducks, seems too good a fit) 4Lindstrom (Waddell hinted would like a forward, i think) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, DON said: 2Demidov 3Buium 4Lindstrom Levshunov is who i think the Habs would pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 8 minutes ago, Commandant said: Levshunov is who i think the Habs would pick. But your thinking he wont be available and already gone at 5, arnt you? Who will actually be putting on a Hab jersey, or jury still out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, DON said: But your thinking he wont be available and already gone at 5, arnt you? Who will actually be putting on a Hab jersey, or jury still out? That was my pick based on who you think the first four will be. On mine I have Celbrini (sj) Levshunov (chi) Silayev (ana) Demidov or Lindstrom to CBJ And whoever CBJ doesnt take, goes to Habs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 I definitely see Anaheim taking a defensemen as they have so many good young forwards. I think the key here is Chicago, they could go either way, hope they take a defensemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Would seem a nice choice @ 26 , but dont think he will still be available. (and Habs likely to use 26 in some kind of trade) Stiga seem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Impressive stats but I do worry about his back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 11 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Impressive stats but I do worry about his back 14 games tracked is a small sample. I love what sites like this are trying to do but the budgets and manpower to do it in big sample sizes just isnt there. It means all of these have to be taken with huge grains of salt. Of course you have to start somewhere but im not sure this will take off for prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Yes 14 games is too small of a sample size for a complete picture. Still very impressive stats over those 14 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 17 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Yes 14 games is too small of a sample size for a complete picture. Still very impressive stats over those 14 games The other issue is the stats are all relative to other prospect stats. When they are only tracking limited games (and guys outside the top 10, top 20, top 30 etc.. will see even fewer games tracked) means that even the guys compared to are small samples. There is a lot of noise in these stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 40 minutes ago, Commandant said: The other issue is the stats are all relative to other prospect stats. When they are only tracking limited games (and guys outside the top 10, top 20, top 30 etc.. will see even fewer games tracked) means that even the guys compared to are small samples. There is a lot of noise in these stats. I never thought of it this way. If he played against weak opponents over those 14 games then his numbers are inflated. Thanks for your contributions to this site friend. I learn a great deal from you and others here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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