2024 NHL Entry Draft

[DON]

10 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:

The Goalie pick seems interesting, but not sure why they picked him.    

Why wouldnt you pick 'a' goalie in 5th round if using up 10 picks, when was the last time they didnt draft at least 1 goalie? (2018)

[Commandant]

The BEAST is here, the annual Draft Grades Article..... 8000+ words.... 8+ hours of writing..... 

 

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2024/06/30/2024-nhl-draft-grades/

[Commandant]

50 minutes ago, DON said:

Why wouldnt you pick 'a' goalie in 5th round if using up 10 picks, when was the last time they didnt draft at least 1 goalie? (2018)

 

Yup, Goalies are voodoo... take a lot and hope one works. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

[DON]

Hmmm, not 1 small player, wasnt intentional am sure.

But, we know Habs more concerned with skill anyways.

While, 6'4" Thorpe was said to be the worse skater in the draft, even worse than 6'4" Ben Merrill i hear, they must be very skilled i guess.

[DON]

Owen Protz - a bully defenseman (awinninghabit.com)

 

"Protz joins a clogged up left defence prospect group for the Habs, but what he has on his side is time. It is likely that he will see many other defenders traded away or established before he arrives, but I think that he could develop into a nice depth option."

[dlbalr]

On 6/29/2024 at 6:27 PM, dlbalr said:

Interesting - sounds like there's an agreement in place for Blainville-Boisbriand to draft Vecvanags in the upcoming Import Draft and he's expected to play for them next season.

 

So Vecvanags isn't going to Blainville-Boisbriand after all - Acadie-Bathurst got him three picks earlier.

[GHT120]

 

So it is NHL, or maybe AHL.

Unlikely, but wonder who (if anyone) has his junior rights?

[Commandant]

He's NHL ready.  Few prospects with his defensive game at 18. 

[TurdBurglar]

Montreal released their draft meeting video.  Hage was the target when they traded for the 21st pick.  It also seems like if Demidov or a center, probably Lindstrom, wasn't available at 5 there may of been a trade on the table or in the works for an unprotected first next year and a 2nd.  An unprotected first would mean it's probably potentially top-10.

 

 

[BCHabnut]

4 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:

Montreal released their draft meeting video.  Hage was the target when they traded for the 21st pick.  It also seems like if Demidov or a center, probably Lindstrom, wasn't available at 5 there may of been a trade on the table or in the works for an unprotected first next year and a 2nd.  An unprotected first would mean it's probably potentially top-10.

 

 

In the exchange at around 18:00, Hughes says, " If he is way better than the others, do we want to go for hard? We can trade for hard." Something like that. I love this mentality in the draft. There are quality 4th and 3rd line players available for trade and ufa every year.

 

The sweater move before the Hage pick, had everyone convinced that Eiserman was the target. This video says Hage was 100% the target. This should be a lesson, not just for fans but for life. Taking an assumption and twisting it into fact. It was not true. It was not the case.

[tomh009]

And they were ready to pick Koivu at 57 (when they still had that pick) so happy to get him at 70.

[Commandant]

33 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:

In the exchange at around 18:00, Hughes says, " If he is way better than the others, do we want to go for hard? We can trade for hard." Something like that. I love this mentality in the draft. There are quality 4th and 3rd line players available for trade and ufa every year.

 

The sweater move before the Hage pick, had everyone convinced that Eiserman was the target. This video says Hage was 100% the target. This should be a lesson, not just for fans but for life. Taking an assumption and twisting it into fact. It was not true. It was not the case.

 

The video came out 2 months after the draft.  It's carefully curated and edited.

 

Every player is the guy they wanted and no one got sniped before them.  

 

There is some insights to be found on why they took the players they did.  But there is also a grain of salt in that this is produced by the team and they arent going to show you the disappointing parts when something didnt work.

[BCHabnut]

40 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

The video came out 2 months after the draft.  It's carefully curated and edited.

 

Every player is the guy they wanted and no one got sniped before them.  

 

There is some insights to be found on why they took the players they did.  But there is also a grain of salt in that this is produced by the team and they arent going to show you the disappointing parts when something didnt work.

14:45. Do we trade 26 and 57 to get to 21 for a chance at Hage? Or another move? Its Hage we are chasing at 21. Very specific words.

I'm  aware of how video editing works.

 

40 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

[Commandant]

44 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:

14:45. Do we trade 26 and 57 to get to 21 for a chance at Hage? Or another move? Its Hage we are chasing at 21. Very specific words.

I'm  aware of how video editing works.

 

 

Call me cynical if you want, but no one expected eiserman to be there at 20 when the trade was made, its still possible plans changed on the floor.

 

We will likely never know.

[GHT120]

2 hours ago, Commandant said:

Call me cynical if you want, but no one expected eiserman to be there at 20 when the trade was made, its still possible plans changed on the floor.

 

We will likely never know.

EXACTLY ... these were pre-draft meetings, not in-draft discussions ... They were very careful to not show the list of names that Hughes referenced when he asked if Hage was a tranche above a group of players, but assuming they didn't do any re-shoots, or multiple takes at the time to allow for editing, I can't imagine them not mentioning Eiserman if they thought he might be available at #21 .

 

With the same caveats, it is interesting that they mentioned two players in the 57-78 range and got both of them (Koivu and Sawyer). 

[Helmethead]

On 8/23/2024 at 5:27 PM, Commandant said:

 

Call me cynical if you want, but no one expected eiserman to be there at 20 when the trade was made, its still possible plans changed on the floor.

 

We will likely never know.

We will likely never know but my eyes saw what they saw. 
 

I was there. I was watching the table. They swapped jerseys after Eiserman was picked. 
 

They might have moved to 21 to have a chance at Hague but it’s safe to assume they had Eiserman in a higher tier all together. 
 

Had the islanders not picked him he would have been a Hab. 
 

No matter how they try to spin it now. 

 

 

[GHT120]

9 minutes ago, Helmethead said:

We will likely never know but my eyes saw what they saw. 
 

I was there. I was watching the table. They swapped jerseys after Eiserman was picked. 
 

They might have moved to 21 to have a chance at Hague but it’s safe to assume they had Eiserman in a higher tier all together. 
 

Had the islanders not picked him he would have been a Hab. 
 

No matter how they try to spin it now. 

The video is not "spin" ... it reflects what was expected at the time the video was made ... in advance of the draft ... I expect they may have had an Eiserman sweater ready in case they could trade up, not because they expected to have a shot at him at #21.

[Helmethead]

3 hours ago, GHT120 said:

The video is not "spin" ... it reflects what was expected at the time the video was made ... in advance of the draft ... I expect they may have had an Eiserman sweater ready in case they could trade up, not because they expected to have a shot at him at #21.

Might have had a sweater ready in case they traded up. 
 

But they didn’t. 
 

Yet they were holding another sweater up to the point the islanders made their choice. 
 

You best be sure that was Eiserman’s. 
 

Had the islanders taken anyone else I can guarantee you they wouldn’t have shown their discussion surrounding Hague. 
 

Hence my “spin” statement..

[tomh009]

9 hours ago, Helmethead said:

You best be sure that was Eiserman’s. 
 

Had the islanders taken anyone else I can guarantee you they wouldn’t have shown their discussion surrounding Hague. 
 

Hence my “spin” statement..

At the time that they planned the draft, I can believe that Hague was their top target for the #21 pick, he was (in their opinion the best of the players expected to be available in that range). So, no spin in that sense.

 

At the draft, though, things happen, other teams make picks you don't expect them to make, and other players slide, so you may end up changing your plan at the last minute. And they might well have done that for Eiserman. But that doesn't invalidate the fact that until a few minutes before they made the pick, they were planning to take Hague at #21.

[GHT120]

9 hours ago, Helmethead said:

Might have had a sweater ready in case they traded up. 
 

But they didn’t. 
 

Yet they were holding another sweater up to the point the islanders made their choice. 
 

You best be sure that was Eiserman’s. 
 

Had the islanders taken anyone else I can guarantee you they wouldn’t have shown their discussion surrounding Hague. 
 

Hence my “spin” statement..

 

 

They never had an opportunity to select Eiserman so nothing to "spin". 

[BCHabnut]

This makes sense. Hage was the target. Eiserman unexpectedly slipped. Hence the 2nd sweater.  Still. Hage was the origional target. 

[TurdBurglar]

It's like the Demidov situation.  Even in the draft video, they said they don't expect Demidov to be there at 5.

[DON]

16 hours ago, BCHabnut said:

This makes sense. Hage was the target. Eiserman unexpectedly slipped. Hence the 2nd sweater.  Still. Hage was the origional target. 

Isnt the video edited and we wont know who else was discussed or highly thought of; but was picked by another team.

Am sure they discussed/debated dozens of kids in their meetings that we wont hear about till years later.

[GHT120]

4 hours ago, DON said:

Isnt the video edited and we wont know who else was discussed or highly thought of; but was picked by another team.

Am sure they discussed/debated dozens of kids in their meetings that we wont hear about till years later.

True ... but I would be shocked if, in their pre-draft meetings, they discussed Eiserman being available at #21.