habs#4,9,10,33 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi guys... There are some strong rumors from a radio station Team 1260 here in Edmonton that BOb and kevin are in deep talks on Edmonton getting the rights to Jose Theodore....He says this is coming from a good and strong soures... Edmonton------- Jose Theodore Montreal-------- Ty Conkin,George Laraque,Rob Schremp(US jr team) and one more player out of the Olers roster> Which BG is trying to add Marc-Andre Bergeron But K lowe is not giving in...... They also say that the same rumors are coming out of Montreal. Has anyone heard anything on this??? If we get Bergeron I will take this deal in a NY second.Bergeron is very good and Rob Schremp is going to be a super star in the NHL one day, and Conklin will be a good back-up for Huet and yes adding Big Laraque will add something that all of us have been looking for a long time..... I say make the deal.... :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hab4life Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 It's funny how a couple of win games will start the rumour mill running again. I however don't think THeo will be traded unless we get something REALLY good in return.(Which would include a starting goalie coming back to us). I don't think BG will leave this team with no true #1. Plus the team is on a bit of a roll and just starting to get some confidence back. And one last point. Look how the coaching change came from totally left field and absolutely no one knew(except Carbo and the Stars) until it was announced. I don't think BG would conduct trades any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 They would be nuts. Who is gonna play goal if they trade Theo. Ok Huet has played well the last few games. But after his first win agains Ottawa (which Kovalev won) look at how he played the next 3. Huet is NOT a number one NHL goalie. He's not even a number 1 AHL goalie by the numbers he put up down in Hamilton. And im sorry The last thing we need is another Backup goalie, a goon, another small D-man (bergeron = 5'10), and a prospect. Gainey is not stupid. Theo isnt going anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOHABSGO22 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 No way would Bob trade Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 sorry, not buying this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Lung Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 They just fired Julien because him and Theodore weren't clicking... I'd say a trade would be ridiculous now. Gainey already picked sides and has had Theodore in the net for 2 victories against 2 good teams... seems Theodore is paying Gainey back for his confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 We should hope that Theo would play well at some point this season, get his trade value up..........I think this streak will last for the habs. I'm still sticking to my thoughts on Theo though. He will be a hot for a short little stint and then crash again. He is not and never will be reliable.......If we get Schremp and Bergeron who has more goals then almost all the habs is fine by me even if he is short at 5'10......we need him on our blue line. I say do it..........get the team some good offense let ty Conklin or huet play the remainder of the season with a great team in front of them........sign Luongo which you know is going to happen next year......WIN THE CUP!!! I say trade Theo now if that deal is really on the table.......... It won't come back in our faces either because Theo will bring his roller coaster career to Edmonton and we can listen to them cry about it!!!! They just fired Julien because him and Theodore weren't clicking... I'd say a trade would be ridiculous now. Gainey already picked sides and has had Theodore in the net for 2 victories against 2 good teams... seems Theodore is paying Gainey back for his confidence. You could look at that the other way too......Say Gainey was in talks with a team about Theo and Julien's benching him for three straight games............sounds to me more like Gainey and Julien were not on the same page...... Confidence? I don't think Gainey's buying......................more like selling Go Theo Go .....get us a good return!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Ok the problem with that is Luongo is a RFA at the end of the year. FLA can match any offer for him and they have lots of cap room. Plus even if Fla doesnt match. Then your giving up first round picks for someone who i feel is only marginaly better than Theodore, if at all. We really dont know because everyone talks about how many shots he faces. Well the other night he faced something like 18 shots and gave up 5 goals against the blue jackets. If theo did that he would be Lynched at Dawn by the fans in MTL. And of course the more shots you face the higher your Sv % is going to be. Luongo hasnt even taken Fla to the playoffs yet. Theo has done it twice pretty much by himself. Bob will not trade Theo without getting a true number one goalie in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I would trade Theo ASAP. That is me but it isn't Bob! Gainey isn't going to trade Theo. His big contract will be with us for two more years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohabsgo252006 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I think this deal is ludicrous... Not because BG won't trade Theo I think he will, but I think it's important to realize that one of the reasons the coaching change was made, was that Theo was being benched and BG couldn't get a deal he wanted for him. This is not the deal he wanted. Conklin: is useless, he's not even a backup in the NHL, the 10 year old playing street hockey on the corner is better. Laraque: I've always liked him and as much as I think his toughness would be useful, I don't see a place for him on this roster. His trade value is virtually zip. Shremp: Everyone here saying he is going to be a star is completely overrating him. His skinny and weak and doesn't have great speed, he reminds me a lot of Ribeiro and I think he will be a PP specialist at the NHL level similar to what Ribs is turning into. Bergeron: He's the only piece of this deal that I like, he has great offensive upside on teh D and is quick and good puckmover. Think bouillon minus the toughness with more offence. There is no way this deal goes down. I think any deal with Theo going to the Oilers would have to include both Bergeron and one of Torres or Morreau. Those guys offer more of what this team needs (budding Power Forwards). Especially Torres he'd be a great addition. I think taking any goalie back from Edmonton is a waste of time, because both Huet and Danis are better than all three of them. This sounds like desperation rumours popping up in Edmonton. Just like all the rumours were floating in Habland a week ago, Edmonton is losing it and looking for some hope to grasp. I trust Bob and nobody i trust would make a trade that awful. Especially with Theo improving his play, meaning his value will just rise. I think a deal will come but not this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 If they Trade Theo who wil play goal? you cannot rest the hopes of a franchise on Huet and Danis. We know Theo can take us where we need to go. Since the coaching change he has played so much better. He and Julien just did not click, and Bob made the right call. The players lost faith in Julien. Don't get me wrong, I hope that when Huet gets a start he does well but he does not look like a goaltender. I have no confidence in him at all. Too many big rebounds and he just looks awkward. and not a hasek awkward a no mobility awkward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehabbit Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Ok the problem with that is Luongo is a RFA at the end of the year. FLA can match any offer for him and they have lots of cap room. Plus even if Fla doesnt match. Then your giving up first round picks for someone who i feel is only marginaly better than Theodore, if at all. We really dont know because everyone talks about how many shots he faces. Well the other night he faced something like 18 shots and gave up 5 goals against the blue jackets. If theo did that he would be Lynched at Dawn by the fans in MTL. And of course the more shots you face the higher your Sv % is going to be. Luongo hasnt even taken Fla to the playoffs yet. Theo has done it twice pretty much by himself. Bob will not trade Theo without getting a true number one goalie in return. good points it may be a better strategy to try and sign a guy like fernandez who is a ufa this summer i believe and who has around a 930 save % with a defensive team. keep theo for now while trading huet and danis along with other habs for some peices we need and see how price develops. there is also the ufa market this summer and someone on sportsnet mentioned arnott for our second line center which makes sense now with gainey and carbo controlling the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Yes I believe that Theo was kept in favour of Julien. For how long no one knows but I have believed since the beginning of the year that Theo would not be deal this year until they habs are out of a playoff picture. Now with Bob and Guy at the helm my emotional glass has become half full rather than half empty. Shremp has a huge attitude problem from what I have seen, read, and heard about him. Is that Gaineys type of player I do not believe so, will Shremp possibly become a star in the NHL yes there is a chance of him reaching start status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfan88 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 (edited) I am not saying that I cannot see Gainey moving Theodore at all this year, but we need a quality starting goalie in return and a good player to help us at least. Theodore is a great goalie, and that Edmonton trade did not interest me one bit. Am I Gainey? No, but I think you guys would agree that this trade is pretty bad. Not what we need, except Bergeron but even then he is a small player. If you are to move theodore, make sure you get quality in return to help this hockey club. Edited January 17, 2006 by habsfan88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komisarek the Cruncher Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Ok the problem with that is Luongo is a RFA at the end of the year. FLA can match any offer for him and they have lots of cap room. Plus even if Fla doesnt match. Then your giving up first round picks for someone who i feel is only marginaly better than Theodore, if at all. We really dont know because everyone talks about how many shots he faces. Well the other night he faced something like 18 shots and gave up 5 goals against the blue jackets. If theo did that he would be Lynched at Dawn by the fans in MTL. And of course the more shots you face the higher your Sv % is going to be. Luongo hasnt even taken Fla to the playoffs yet. Theo has done it twice pretty much by himself. Bob will not trade Theo without getting a true number one goalie in return. I agree that Luongo is a RFA and that Florida could match offers next summer, but where I disagree is that Luongo is not just marginally better, if at all...he is much better. 5 goals on 18 shots is normal for any goalie during a season. Theo did as bad a few times this year by the way, so don't tell us that Montreal fans would lynch him...because he should have been lynched a dozen times this year. Theo is over rated and a dozen other goalies would be an upgrade on him. I say keep him for this year, trade him this summer and get Fernandez as a UFA this summer. Fernandez is better then Theo (a lot more consistent and doen't give up bad goals), cheaper and from Quebec. A 3 year deal would be perfect because Price would be reay by then (1 more year as a junior being Canada's #1 for the Juniors and 2 in Hamilton). If Luongo comes here, which I doubt, it will be in a trade of as a UFA in 2 years. As for the trade rumor...no thanks!!! This would be a disaster of a trade. All average players with no or little upside for a star #1 goalie. We are not Boston where we trade a star (Thornton) for a bunch of average players... Edited January 18, 2006 by Komisarek the Cruncher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I agree that Luongo is a RFA and that Florida could match offers next summer, but where I disagree is that Luongo is not just marginally better, if at all...he is much better. 5 goals on 18 shots is normal for any goalie during a season. Theo did as bad a few times this year by the way, so don't tell us that Montreal fans would lynch him...because he should have been lynched a dozen times this year. Theo is over rated and a dozen other goalies would be an upgrade on him. I say keep him for this year, trade him this summer and get Fernandez as a UFA this summer. Fernandez is better then Theo (a lot more consistent and doen't give up bad goals), cheaper and from Quebec. A 3 year deal would be perfect because Price would be reay by then (1 more year as a junior being Canada's #1 for the Juniors and 2 in Hamilton). If Luongo comes here, which I doubt, it will be in a trade of as a UFA in 2 years. Why do you think that Luongo is much better? what has he done? not much if you ask me Florida actually doesnt have a very bad team now and look where they are. I'll admit Theo has been shakey at times but like you said its normal for all goalies during a season. If he isnt getting a shutout everyone is all over him saying he let in a soft goal or gave out some big rebounds. jeez even if he did get a shutout the fans would say he didnt face any tough shots. how fast fans forget what he has done for the team. carrying them on his back 2 out of the last 3 years to the playoffs. When roberto does that let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I've been saying the same thing all year since the Luongo rumours started this summer. I don't see Luongo as a significant upgrade over Theo, certainly not enough to trade away players like Ryder, Plekanec, Perezhogin, or other names mentioned by the media and fans. Luongo's never played a playoff game yet, and from the highlight packages I've seen, more than one softie gets by Luongo on a given night. He does have a pretty porous defense in front of him, but it's not a whole lot better than what we see in a game. If you look at their career numbers, Luongo's GAA is higher than Theo's by about .25 goals a game, and his save percentage is .007 higher. That, to me, is not head and shoulders above what Theo's done. Who knows what Luongo's numbers would be if he were playing in Colorado or Detroit or Philadelphia or somewhere where he wasn't depended upon night after night to give his team a shot at winning. Who knows what Theo's numbers would be like if he had a better defense in front of him, or if they were a little deeper offensively. But to hear some people say it, Luongo = Cup in Montreal, and he'd lead the league in wins, GAA, save % and shutouts. He's one of the most talented young goalies in the league, but ask around and you'll find more than a few who'd say the same thing about Theo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazydoo Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Are you guys sitting in the garage typing on your laptop while your car is running? Luongo would be a great update to Theo. Luongo is one of the best 5 or maybe even 3 goalies in the league. You can't look at numbers only. Yes Luongo has a better save % than Theo, but this isn't part of my argument. You recognize a good goalie to his style, the decisions he makes in a game. Overall, Luongo has a more consistent style. He lost so many games, but his style didn't change. The reason for Theo's inconsistency is the fact thathe gets nervous when he's loosing. He drops on his knees way too early, gets out to get the puck when he shouldn't and remains deep in his crease. Watch Luongo play and you'll see that if he goes down before the player makes a move, it will be because the player is within 5 feet and can't get it over his shoulder (Theodore would need to wait for the guy to be within 3 feet). His size is also an upgrade. And stats give you an idea, but it is so shallow. Ask any good goalie expert and they will all say that Luongo is technically ahead of Theo. Another upside, Luongo isn't part of the habs' backstreet posse (Theo Ribs and Dags) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs#4,9,10,33 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 Are you guys sitting in the garage typing on your laptop while your car is running? Luongo would be a great update to Theo. Luongo is one of the best 5 or maybe even 3 goalies in the league. You can't look at numbers only. Yes Luongo has a better save % than Theo, but this isn't part of my argument. You recognize a good goalie to his style, the decisions he makes in a game. Overall, Luongo has a more consistent style. He lost so many games, but his style didn't change. The reason for Theo's inconsistency is the fact thathe gets nervous when he's loosing. He drops on his knees way too early, gets out to get the puck when he shouldn't and remains deep in his crease. Watch Luongo play and you'll see that if he goes down before the player makes a move, it will be because the player is within 5 feet and can't get it over his shoulder (Theodore would need to wait for the guy to be within 3 feet). His size is also an upgrade. And stats give you an idea, but it is so shallow. Ask any good goalie expert and they will all say that Luongo is technically ahead of Theo. Another upside, Luongo isn't part of the habs' backstreet posse (Theo Ribs and Dags) I agree...Thats why Luongo is on team canada going for Gold, and Theo will be at home going for a beer while watching Luongo on the ice... :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 They just fired Julien because him and Theodore weren't clicking... I'd say a trade would be ridiculous now. Gainey already picked sides and has had Theodore in the net for 2 victories against 2 good teams... seems Theodore is paying Gainey back for his confidence. Agreed There wouldnt be any reason right now to trade him !!! still too early ... UNLESS!! The will is there!! Lets say tomorrow.. Gainey gets a call from Luongo's agent stating that Roberto would love to eat poutine at least once every home game! WELLLLL I think there isnt a GM that would not trade for him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 are you prepared to pay him 6mill + ? way too much money! rfa florida can match any offer he might get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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