2024-25 NHL discussion thread

[Prime Minister Koivu]

3 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

This really messes with the Oilers. If they match they have real serious cap issues. Don't match and they lose their top 2 prospects for not even a 1st. What to do Stan Bowman??

They can’t let them go. 
 

Maybe Hughes can take some salary off their hands 👍

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

4 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

 

Kane likely to start the season on LTIR so that provides some immediate relief (kicking the issue down the road as it is reported he is unlikely to miss the entire season) ... I won't be surprised if they try to move Ceci and keep both youngsters ... wonder how much they are willing to "pay" to do so?

Yes, Ceci is gone to have any hope of matching.  That is a big offer for Broberg but he is talented. The Oilers were vulnerable and it cost them 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

4 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

They can’t let them go. 
 

Maybe Hughes can take some salary off their hands 👍

There is no doubt, teams with cap room will be hearing from the Oilers.

[DON]

Blues needed picks for offers.

Blues sign Oilers’ Philip Broberg, Dylan Holloway to offer sheets - The Athletic (nytimes.com)

[Prime Minister Koivu]

58 minutes ago, DON said:

Blues needed picks for offers.

Blues sign Oilers’ Philip Broberg, Dylan Holloway to offer sheets - The Athletic (nytimes.com)

Yeah I stared at this trade scratching my head, trying to make sense of it. 
 

Then the offer sheets came and it made sense 

[Commandant]

2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Well, well, well 

 

🍿

 

 

 

I think they easily match Holloway. 

 

The 4.5 on Broberg is something that actually makes them think though. 

 

Kane going on LTIR to start the season buys them time if they decide to match, but this might be too much and they let Broberg go. 

 

[GHT120]

56 minutes ago, DON said:

Blues needed picks for offers.

Blues sign Oilers’ Philip Broberg, Dylan Holloway to offer sheets - The Athletic (nytimes.com)

I assume the Blues re-acquired the 2025 2nd rounder they gave up to rid themselves of Kevin Hayes in late June, as teams must have their own picks to give as offer sheet compensation.

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

This really messes with the Oilers. If they match they have real serious cap issues. Don't match and they lose their top 2 prospects for not even a 1st. What to do Stan Bowman??

 

Its not both or nothing..... they can match one and not the other. 

[GHT120]

Just now, Commandant said:

Its not both or nothing..... they can match one and not the other. 

Unfortunately, the one they should/need-to match is the most cap challenging.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

13 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Its not both or nothing..... they can match one and not the other. 

 

Of course, I expect they will match Holloway, you can't lose a 1st round pick for a 3rd round pick. Broberg is the tough one, a big mobile defensemen who was developing nicely. They were hoping to sign him for under 2M, now it will cost 4.5M. 

 

I wonder if Bowman still wants the job. LOL Resigning Draisaitl is the easy part of his job now. This is a messy one. 

[dlbalr]

3 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I wonder if Bowman still wants the job. LOL Resigning Draisaitl is the easy part of his job now. This is a messy one. 

 

Re-signing Draisaitl is a whole lot harder now with the second year on both offer sheets.  If matched, that cuts into the 2025-26 cap space they'll need to keep him.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 minute ago, dlbalr said:

 

Re-signing Draisaitl is a whole lot harder now with the second year on both offer sheets.  If matched, that cuts into the 2025-26 cap space they'll need to keep him.

 

It does, plus Bouchard will be getting a big fat raise after next year. The Oilers better hope the salary cap goes up a lot. 

 

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

I don’t know how you let a guy like Broberg go and for a second rounder no less. 
 

Is Broberg not projected to be a top pairing guy? 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

2 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I don’t know how you let a guy like Broberg go and for a second rounder no less. 
 

Is Broberg not projected to be a top pairing guy? 

 

Certainly a top 4 guy with some upside. To lose him for a 2nd rounder would be painful. 

 

The Oilers are 7.2M over the cap if they match both.  Putting Kane on LTIR would reduce it by 5.1M but he is unlikely to be on LTIR all year.  Ceci is the obvious one to move but these are just short term fixes if Kane comes back during the year. 

 

I wonder if some GM's are unhappy with the Oilers signing Bowman and were more likely to screw him. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

1 minute ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

 

I wonder if some GM's are unhappy with the Oilers signing Bowman and were more likely to screw him. 

That would be pretty sad if true. It’s likely that Edmonton is simply vulnerable. 
 

What team wouldn’t want those two guys? 
 

Bowman is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Perhaps he can trade Nurse and shock us. 

[tomh009]

2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

What team wouldn’t want those two guys? 
 

Bowman is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Perhaps he can trade Nurse and shock us. 

He could also match--and then trade Broberg (or Holloway) rather than Ceci. Much better than giving up Broberg for a second, and Bowman has time to make that trade since Kane will be on LTIR for a while.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

4 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

He could also match--and then trade Broberg (or Holloway) rather than Ceci. Much better than giving up Broberg for a second, and Bowman has time to make that trade since Kane will be on LTIR for a while.

I didn't think you could trade a player for a year if you matched the offer.

[dlbalr]

30 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I didn't think you could trade a player for a year if you matched the offer.

 

You can't.  If those offers are matched, it's a one-year trade moratorium from the date the offer was officially matched.

[tomh009]

45 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

You can't.  If those offers are matched, it's a one-year trade moratorium from the date the offer was officially matched.

Oops, forgot about that!

[Peter Puck]

And this complicates Edmonton's position even more.   If they match they can't trade either player until mid August  next year.  This time of year is not a good time to try to put together a trade. 

 

  I guess they could try to agree to a trade in early July and consummate it in August.

 

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

I wonder if any teams thought about putting an RFA offer for Arber Xhekaj? Of course the Habs aren't vulnerable and could easily match. I think the Blues did this expecting the Oilers to match one, likely Holloway, but not both. I think Broberg is the guy they really wanted 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

On 8/9/2024 at 1:57 PM, DON said:

Top remaining restricted free agents: The best 2024 RFAs still on the board - Daily Faceoff

 

Will any GM (...eh Kent, what say you?) try and poach any of these fellows?

(I assume zero to slim chance again this year)

 

I guess this publication was just a little off on what Broberg would sign for 874K versus 4.5M. You would think there might be some interest in offering Nick Robertson a Holloway type deal, he could easily be a 20 goal plus scorer, Leafs don't have a lot of cap space to match. 

[TurdBurglar]

I wonder if St Louis would have made those offer sheets if it wasn’t Bowman as the GM.  Can’t imagine Bowman still has the same clout as he did before he was ousted from the NHL.

 

Could totally be unrelated.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

Interesting history of offer sheets here: A brief history of offer sheets in the NHL’s salary cap era - Daily Faceoff

 

They are still quite aberrant, being way less frequent than online discussion and talk shows would like.

 

Why? At least two possible reasons. One is that it's still considered a violation of The Code. Another is that you need special conditions. You have to be a team with (1) cap room (2) not a lot of high-value prospects of your own, lest you invite retaliation, and (3) you need to find a team like the Oil that is capped out but has exactly the player(s) you want.

 

What's so weird in this instance is that STL went after TWO players. That, to me, reeks of a deliberate intention to poke Bowman, or at least the Oilers, right in the eye.

[dlbalr]

1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I guess this publication was just a little off on what Broberg would sign for 874K versus 4.5M. You would think there might be some interest in offering Nick Robertson a Holloway type deal, he could easily be a 20 goal plus scorer, Leafs don't have a lot of cap space to match. 

 

To be fair, I don't think AFP was factoring in a predatory offer sheet into their projections.  Putting his qualifying offer (which is what that $874K represents) was a logical projection by them.  A small raise on the base salary and a prove-it type of contract is what many in his situation often get.

 

Broberg has 13 points in 83 regular season games with an ATOI of 12:42.  A one-year deal a little under $1M is about what his true market value is with a two-year deal coming in closer to the $1.25M mark knowing there's an arb-eligible year in there.  As is often the case with pricey offer sheets, it's a considerable overpayment, albeit one with some upside if Broberg can become a legitimate top-four defender.