dlbalr Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 17 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Shortened to 5 rounds? That might be the sweet spot. Their preference is four but I don't see the NHL signing off on cutting three rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: That might be the sweet spot. Their preference is four but I don't see the NHL signing off on cutting three rounds. The more I thought about this the more I think it’s kind of a moot point. Changing draft years to 19 year olds simply pushes everything back a year. There will be a ripple effect throughout levels of hockey but after a period of adjustment things will feel the same as they are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 18 Author Share Posted September 18 58 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: The more I thought about this the more I think it’s kind of a moot point. Changing draft years to 19 year olds simply pushes everything back a year. There will be a ripple effect throughout levels of hockey but after a period of adjustment things will feel the same as they are now. True ... but it screws over the teams that traded for non-first-round picks in the draft year the change is made ... from the 33rd pick onwards there are only players passed over the previous year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 7 minutes ago, GHT120 said: True ... but it screws over the teams that traded for non-first-round picks in the draft year the change is made ... from the 33rd pick onwards there are only players passed over the previous year. If it were phased in the impact would be minimal. 2025 5th and later rounds almost zero impact, 2026 4th round still not much impact, 2027/2028 for the third and second rounds, very few teams have traded picks that far forward. That said, I think this is unlikely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 5 minutes ago, GHT120 said: True ... but it screws over the teams that traded for non-first-round picks in the draft year the change is made ... from the 33rd pick onwards there are only players passed over the previous year. Exactly, those 2nd and 3rd round picks you traded for aren't worth nearly as much. Hope it's just talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 40 minutes ago, GHT120 said: True ... but it screws over the teams that traded for non-first-round picks in the draft year the change is made ... from the 33rd pick onwards there are only players passed over the previous year. 34 minutes ago, tomh009 said: If it were phased in the impact would be minimal. 2025 5th and later rounds almost zero impact, 2026 4th round still not much impact, 2027/2028 for the third and second rounds, very few teams have traded picks that far forward. That said, I think this is unlikely to happen. 34 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Exactly, those 2nd and 3rd round picks you traded for aren't worth nearly as much. Hope it's just talk. NHL could simply announce a date in the future - perhaps 2030. Teams trading picks for 2030 and beyond would do so knowing the system would be different. I haven’t bothered to look it up but it’s doubtful that 2030 picks have already been traded. I also thought about the number of draft rounds and it makes sense to me to drop to 5 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 I think it also delays the prospects getting access to NHL level training and development which isnt a good thing. There are huge differences in the development program quality between different junior teams, colleges, european teams, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: True ... but it screws over the teams that traded for non-first-round picks in the draft year the change is made ... from the 33rd pick onwards there are only players passed over the previous year. A pretty minor short-term item that is easily overcome. Drafting 17 year old kids has always seemed too early for me. Havent heard any compelling reason not to make the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 18 Author Share Posted September 18 4 hours ago, DON said: A pretty minor short-term item that is easily overcome. Easily? Anything that improves the lot of the impacted teams is likely detrimental to the other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 29 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Easily? Anything that improves the lot of the impacted teams is likely detrimental to the other teams. I dont see any issue at all and hope change comes, dont really care about a shortened draft bit; but am guessing owners/players do. NBA 2 rounds, NFL 7 and MLB has 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 That MLB draft is just nuts. 600 picks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Just now, tomh009 said: That MLB draft is just nuts. 600 picks! It was double that not all that long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: It was double that not all that long ago. Their scouting must be massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 17 hours ago, tomh009 said: Their scouting must be massive. That would be an understatement. And in MLB, the draft only covers a certain geographic area, players from Japan, Korea, Cuba, Dominican Republic, etc, fall outside the draft which is a whole separate set of scouts to cover those areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 On 9/18/2024 at 4:50 PM, tomh009 said: That MLB draft is just nuts. 600 picks! MLB draft for 4 teams, the MLB team, AAA, AA and A. Unlike the 2 teams the NHL drafts for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 3 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: MLB draft for 4 teams, the MLB team, AAA, AA and A. Unlike the 2 teams the NHL drafts for. It's even more than that. There are two levels of A league, plus Rookie league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 Well, can Barron play better than did last year? I have my doubts he is good enough in own end, but hope he has improved. “Over the rest of the game, it’s more about that than what you do with the puck because if JB plays 20 minutes, he might have the puck for one minute max and there’s 19 minutes he won’t have the puck. So, how engaged are you? Are you boxing out? Are you blocking shots? “I find he’s made nice improvements on this, and it’s good that he has. Now it’s about consistency in these elements. That’s what he needs to find.” Canadiens' Barron focused on winning the battle with himself to earn roster spot (sportsnet.ca) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 12 hours ago, DON said: Well, can Barron play better than did last year? I have my doubts he is good enough in own end, but hope he has improved. “Over the rest of the game, it’s more about that than what you do with the puck because if JB plays 20 minutes, he might have the puck for one minute max and there’s 19 minutes he won’t have the puck. So, how engaged are you? Are you boxing out? Are you blocking shots? “I find he’s made nice improvements on this, and it’s good that he has. Now it’s about consistency in these elements. That’s what he needs to find.” Canadiens' Barron focused on winning the battle with himself to earn roster spot (sportsnet.ca) Isn't Barron waiver-eligible? So he'd BETTER earn a spot or we risk losing the asset. I think there's a good chance he'll stick around for that reason alone - at least giving HuGo time to trade him for some kind of return before losing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Barron will be kept. At least until a deal is made. You don’t put him on waivers if you don’t have to. And they don’t have to. He is worth a late first rounder or early second at least. My question is… can Kapanen be retrieved from Europe if we return him or does he have to stay the whole year ? At this point you’ve got to ask, can we move Kapanen to a wing and put Roy to Laval to begin year ? Give time for KH to pull another deal for Dvorak ? I’d like to give Anderson and Armia more time (Anderson is untradeable) to see how they settle in. Savard is an asset we sell as soon as an offer is made that KH is happy with. He should deliver a good payday for the team. I’d consider resigning Matheson. Armia can go on deadline or earlier. Dvorak the same. Preferably earlier. Gally is untradeable. I’ve enjoyed the energy guys Tuch, Davidson, BB…. Wanting to see how Beck does hopefully vs NJ…. Always enjoyed the compete in Evans… but he might not last into next year. Our weakest position is in the net. This year will show us what we have in our two NHL netminders. I hope we don’t have to completely rely on Fowler being our savior (although nothing but good things have been said.) Future is looking positive with this management team … a far cry from Bergevin’s last few years 💣 💣 .. We need a strong long term RHD for the outgoing of Savard and presumably Barron. Hopefully a trade of our picks can land one… if these guys do stay healthy we will be picking 10-14 in 2025… I’d like better, but our division is tough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Sorry, i put Barron post in wrong thread, should of been in 24-25 'Habs' one. Welcome Butterface. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 10 hours ago, Butterface said: My question is… can Kapanen be retrieved from Europe if we return him or does he have to stay the whole year ? First, welcome to the forum. I believe Kapanen is recallable but teams often don't want to disrupt a player's season by moving him back and forth internationally. But I think it is an option for Montreal if they want to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Just wow. Has anybody seen the Utah arena yet? Apparently, the sight lines from the upper decks are incredible. Thousands of seats have ridiculously bad obstructed views. They have over 6000 seats listed as "partial view". They are planning on doing renovations but they wont start until April 2025 with a completion date of 2027. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 No more obstructed than the fact Mullett only had 4000 seats total. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 27 Author Share Posted September 27 24 minutes ago, Sir_Boagalott said: Just wow. Has anybody seen the Utah arena yet? Apparently, the sight lines from the upper decks are incredible. Thousands of seats have ridiculously bad obstructed views. They have over 6000 seats listed as "partial view". They are planning on doing renovations but they wont start until April 2025 with a completion date of 2027. It's what happens when a new team has 3-4 months to prepare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Speaking from experience, Barclays Center was pretty horrible too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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