2024-25 NHL discussion thread

[dlbalr]

8 hours ago, tomh009 said:

Necas signed for 2x $6.5M. I assume that takes him off the trade market.

 

Carolina has only $6.44M left in cap space now, though, and that's probably not enough to sign Seth Jarvis ...

 

It's probably closer to $7M in cap space as they're unlikely to carry 14 forwards to start the season.  At a minimum, that's enough for a bridge deal.

[DON]

Just for a chuckle!

The key question facing NHL teams: How much cap space can they dedicate to core players? - The Athletic (nytimes.com)

 

"Toronto is always front of mind in this conversation. For years, the question has been how the Maple Leafs can justify having three $10-plus million forwards between Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and John Tavares. The three added up to $33.5 million in cap space last year, but that number has jumped up significantly this year. Not only does Toronto have to account for Matthews’ $13.3 million cap hit this year, but William Nylander’s moved up into this salary sphere with an $11.5 million average annual value. That now becomes $46.7 million in cap space or 53 percent of the 2024-25 salary cap."

[Prime Minister Koivu]

2 minutes ago, DON said:

Just for a chuckle!

The key question facing NHL teams: How much cap space can they dedicate to core players? - The Athletic (nytimes.com)

 

"Toronto is always front of mind in this conversation. For years, the question has been how the Maple Leafs can justify having three $10-plus million forwards between Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and John Tavares. The three added up to $33.5 million in cap space last year, but that number has jumped up significantly this year. Not only does Toronto have to account for Matthews’ $13.3 million cap hit this year, but William Nylander’s moved up into this salary sphere with an $11.5 million average annual value. That now becomes $46.7 million in cap space or 53 percent of the 2024-25 salary cap."

I hope this cap problem causes the leafs to lose an entire generation of contention. Leafs don’t have a lot of great prospects waiting either. 
 

Leafs are in a tough spot because you can’t let guys like Nylander or Mathews go. They will get some relief with Tavares with only one more season. 
 

Marner is a difficult case because he is going to demand a raise that I don’t think he deserves. You can’t trade him because of no movement so you lose him for nothing in free agency or you over pay. 
 

I bet the leafs spent the Tavares money on an equally expensive free agent anyway. Best case scenario is if the leafs pay a bunch for a dud goalie to add to their cap woes 

[DON]

I did not know the media was given a heads up on draftpick choices, prior to each announcement.

 

Which is why Hage/family had a camera focused on him at time of his pick announcement.

[GHT120]

23 minutes ago, DON said:

I did not know the media was given a heads up on draftpick choices, prior to each announcement.

 

Which is why Hage/family had a camera focused on him at time of his pick announcement.

 

I expect Sportsnet/ESPN had cameras on multiple players for every pick, based on their projections and any "intelligence" they had accumulated.

 

But the issue with Jeff Marek (not media writ-large) seems to be that he apparently had specific knowledge of at least one/some picks and may have shared it with someone who used it to wager on who would be selected.

[DON]

2 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

 

I expect Sportsnet/ESPN had cameras on multiple players for every pick, based on their projections and any "intelligence" they had accumulated.

 

But the issue with Jeff Marek (not media writ-large) seems to be that he apparently had specific knowledge of at least one/some picks and may have shared it with someone who used it to wager on who would be selected.

Camera operators know who will be the pick, is part of the show.

Also knowing ahead of hand gives Marek time to prepare for interview with each pick they said. 

Dont think is new, just something i did not know.

 

And yes he was letting his buddy know, whose accurate predictions before pick called, is what led to investigation by betting folks.

[dlbalr]

54 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

But the issue with Jeff Marek (not media writ-large) seems to be that he apparently had specific knowledge of at least one/some picks and may have shared it with someone who used it to wager on who would be selected.

 

Wasn't wagering was cut off 24 hours before the round?  If so, I'm not sure that particular element is the issue.  It's that he leaked it period to someone who was posting who the picks were in advance.

[Commandant]

7 hours ago, dlbalr said:

 

Wasn't wagering was cut off 24 hours before the round?  If so, I'm not sure that particular element is the issue.  It's that he leaked it period to someone who was posting who the picks were in advance.

 

Exactly.  They reported to the gaming commission out of an abundance of caution but no bets have been uncovered.

 

The issue is that he was posting to a non-sportsnet employee who spoiled the show on twitter.  And he was doing it not with info he worked to uncover, but with the info the NHL provided sportsnet to have graphics ready in the truck, highlight packages, cameras on the prospect and family etc.

 

He was ruining his company and the league's show all while benefitting someone who is unaffiliated with the company.

[Plutarch]

On 8/3/2024 at 10:38 PM, Commandant said:

 

Exactly.  They reported to the gaming commission out of an abundance of caution but no bets have been uncovered.

 

The issue is that he was posting to a non-sportsnet employee who spoiled the show on twitter.  And he was doing it not with info he worked to uncover, but with the info the NHL provided sportsnet to have graphics ready in the truck, highlight packages, cameras on the prospect and family etc.

 

He was ruining his company and the league's show all while benefitting someone who is unaffiliated with the company.

Meh not having Marek ruins the show more than some guy on Twitter I haven't heard of posting things.

 

But admittedly they likely had to let him go. Overall I'm just glad it wasn't something more nefarious that got him canned. Seems like a very likable guy... don't need to find out more people are evil lol

[DON]

4 hours ago, Plutarch said:

Meh not having Marek ruins the show more than some guy on Twitter I haven't heard of posting things.

 

Well, the draft just being on sportsnet, is a bigger negative isnt it?

 

[dlbalr]

8 hours ago, DON said:

Well, the draft just being on sportsnet, is a bigger negative isnt it?

 

This is very true.

[DON]

Top remaining restricted free agents: The best 2024 RFAs still on the board - Daily Faceoff

 

Will any GM (...eh Kent, what say you?) try and poach any of these fellows?

(I assume zero to slim chance again this year)

[Prime Minister Koivu]

1 hour ago, DON said:

Top remaining restricted free agents: The best 2024 RFAs still on the board - Daily Faceoff

 

Will any GM (...eh Kent, what say you?) try and poach any of these fellows?

(I assume zero to slim chance again this year)

I don’t see it happening at all but Hughes could offer Raymond a very strong offer. Habs could afford the draft picks going back and the cap hit coming in. 
 

I think we would have to offer more than the suggested price for sure

[Commandant]

I don't think a team that has picked 5th, 5th, and 1st in the last three drafts should be offer sheeting anyone. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

2 hours ago, Commandant said:

I don't think a team that has picked 5th, 5th, and 1st in the last three drafts should be offer sheeting anyone. 

Agree completely. 
 

[DON]

NHL front-office confidence rankings, 2024: How fans feel about every team - The Athletic (nytimes.com)

Just for fun;

(As someone noted before; Habs were 6th.)

[Prime Minister Koivu]

1 hour ago, DON said:

NHL front-office confidence rankings, 2024: How fans feel about every team - The Athletic (nytimes.com)

Just for fun;

(As someone noted before; Habs were 6th.)

30th is hilarious 🤣 

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

6 hours ago, Commandant said:

I don't think a team that has picked 5th, 5th, and 1st in the last three drafts should be offer sheeting anyone. 

 

Agreed, plus offer sheeting a guy like Raymond more money than you are paying your current core guys likely wouldn't sit well. Anyway, I don't think it's Hughes style to offer sheet RFA's, I think he likes a little more certainty in his dealings. 

 

Having said that if a team gave an offer sheet to a Broberg or a Holloway where they didn't have to give up more than a 2nd round pick, it would really put the Oilers in a tough spot. I think you can take Ryan Lindgren off that list as he signed a 1 year contract I believe. 

[dlbalr]

9 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Having said that if a team gave an offer sheet to a Broberg or a Holloway where they didn't have to give up more than a 2nd round pick, it would really put the Oilers in a tough spot. I think you can take Ryan Lindgren off that list as he signed a 1 year contract I believe. 

 

Very true with the Oilers, a team could really make things hard for them if they could get one of those two to sign an offer sheet.  Even at the top of the third-round level will complicate things since Kane is expected to return partway during the year.

 

Yes, Lindgren signed 1/4.5 recently to avoid arbitration.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, dlbalr said:

 

Very true with the Oilers, a team could really make things hard for them if they could get one of those two to sign an offer sheet.  Even at the top of the third-round level will complicate things since Kane is expected to return partway during the year.

 

 

You could go 2 years X 2.1M/year and only risk giving up a 3rd rounder but the Oilers would almost certainly match as it would be embarrassing to only get a 3rd rounder for guys who are talented and were 1st round picks. All you would accomplish is really tick the Oilers off. 

 

If a team was serious they would have to up the ante to a 2nd round pick level to give the Oilers something to think about. Having said that it seems like teams don't want to mess with other teams salary cap issues. I really don't expect to see any offers although the Oilers are vulnerable. Holloway and Broberg are both talented and young. 

[Commandant]

2.1 million is an easy match.

 

It doesnt even complicate their cap much.

 

[dlbalr]

26 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

You could go 2 years X 2.1M/year and only risk giving up a 3rd rounder but the Oilers would almost certainly match as it would be embarrassing to only get a 3rd rounder for guys who are talented and were 1st round picks. All you would accomplish is really tick the Oilers off. 

 

If a team was serious they would have to up the ante to a 2nd round pick level to give the Oilers something to think about. Having said that it seems like teams don't want to mess with other teams salary cap issues. I really don't expect to see any offers although the Oilers are vulnerable. Holloway and Broberg are both talented and young. 

 

Who says it has to be a two-year deal at that price point?  If both of those players signed one year at that (they'd be more likely to sign one year at that than two, gaining themselves arbitration rights in 2025), Edmonton would match and then find themselves $4.5 million over the cap.  Good luck clearing that in-season when Kane returns when they have to get back under. 

 

The idea of offering at that level isn't necessarily to get the player but rather to force Edmonton to have to move out a player.  If you're a Western Conference rival, isn't that a tangible benefit?  It's a bit more malicious than we generally see with offer sheets but it's a low-risk way to hurt a rival as it wouldn't cost that team anything in the end.

 

The 2nd-round level makes sense too if the goal is to get the player, albeit at an above-market rate.  But if a team just wants to try to force their hand on moving someone out, the lower offer would do it.  Not that it'd happen; I don't think those players would sign an offer sheet and no team has been that malicious in terms of tendering an offer sheet to force the other team to trade a different player but it's a weird idea that has floated around my head for them this summer.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

2.1 million is an easy match.

 

It doesnt even complicate their cap much.

 

 

It is an easy match. It complicates it a bit. So much depends on whether Kane can go on LTIR and for how long he can go on LTIR.  If can't go on  LTIR for any length of time then the Oilers have some work to do.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, dlbalr said:

 

Who says it has to be a two-year deal at that price point?  If both of those players signed one year at that (they'd be more likely to sign one year at that than two, gaining themselves arbitration rights in 2025), Edmonton would match and then find themselves $4.5 million over the cap.  Good luck clearing that in-season when Kane returns when they have to get back under. 

 

Just throwing an example out there. I wasn't aware of when they become arbitration eligible. If that's the case then 1 year would likely be more attractive as you stated. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Dach is possible 

Slafkovsky is possible 

Anderson is possible if he scores 30

 

Dubois is possible if he explodes in Washington.