DON Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Will Habs make the playoffs? How Canadiens could make jump from league basement to playoff mix - The Athletic (nytimes.com) Bit sobering look at how new guys have done. Evaluating the Not so New Montreal Canadiens Management – HabsWorld.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 That “sobering look” does not seem to get the concept of a rebuild. On-ice team performance is tangential. What matters is asset acquisition and player development - the ONLY metrics by which this group should be judged so far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 No, I don't think they will. I expect them to be better but they are still not a playoff team. They haven't added the game breaker that they need at forward. The team is pretty much the same, with Dach healthy, as they were last year, and that wasn't close to the playoffs. And yes Dach will help, but last year's team also had Monahan for much of the year, playing well and in that Dach 2nd line C role, so you have to factor that in when you say Dach will help them. He needs to replace Monahan just to be status quo. With how far out they were, the jump to the playoffs is too big an ask IMO. Just be better and then in 2025-26 the playoffs come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Commandant said: No, I don't think they will. I expect them to be better but they are still not a playoff team. They haven't added the game breaker that they need at forward. The team is pretty much the same, with Dach healthy, as they were last year, and that wasn't close to the playoffs. And yes Dach will help, but last year's team also had Monahan for much of the year, playing well and in that Dach 2nd line C role, so you have to factor that in when you say Dach will help them. He needs to replace Monahan just to be status quo. With how far out they were, the jump to the playoffs is too big an ask IMO. Just be better and then in 2025-26 the playoffs come. The assumption is that Dach PLUS ongoing progression from the kids - e.g., a full season of Slaf playing productively, further refinement by the young D - will drive us toward the right side of a great number of those one-goal games we lost last season. The other thing is, we still have time to add that elusive top-6 W and get Anderson the hell out of the top-6. All that said: I agree with you. The point this season is to actually be in the mix, not necessarily to get over the playoff bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Yeah the only way the Habs make the playoffs is if they get that top 6 forward. I will continue to hope for a trade but I’m not super optimistic that it’s going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 25 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: The assumption is that Dach PLUS ongoing progression from the kids - e.g., a full season of Slaf playing productively, further refinement by the young D - will drive us toward the right side of a great number of those one-goal games we lost last season. The other thing is, we still have time to add that elusive top-6 W and get Anderson the hell out of the top-6. All that said: I agree with you. The point this season is to actually be in the mix, not necessarily to get over the playoff bar. If everything goes perfect, sure. But 1) development of young players isnt linear... there are always ups and downs. 2) the team has no depth at forward. 1 single injury (like dach last year) is devastating. 3) goaltending has to maintain their level or be even better. Goalies are voodoo. Sure with injury luck, continued progression of all those D and Slaf, and a PDO bender, they would make it but the chances of all that happening together is low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Last thing that I want to do is advertise for those asshats at bell but I’m gonna check this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 19 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Last thing that I want to do is advertise for those asshats at bell but I’m gonna check this out. 🤮 it's a pass from me. this team is far from contending, and this seems as bad as that centennial movie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 Habs ranked fourth in the league in terms of gloaltending strength, Quote 4. Montreal Canadiens Current: 12 Granger: Last season, Sam Montembeault quietly finished inside the top 10 in GSAx despite playing behind the second-worst defense in the NHL. He’s outperformed expectations for two straight seasons backstopping a rebuilding Canadiens squad. If the team in front of him can take a step forward I think more people will start to take notice of the work Montembeault has done. Cayden Primeau, 24, put up an impressive .910 save percentage as a rookie, and projects as a good 1B. That’s not even mentioning Jacob Fowler, who could be a star down the road. Future: 6 Wheeler: The Habs’ pool has a two-headed monster in net, led by an A-grade talent in Fowler and a B or B-plus goalie prospect in Jakub Dobes. Quentin Miller is also coming off two strong seasons in the QMJHL and Yevgeni Volokhin was one of the top goalies in the MHL last year, though both of those guys are a cut below Dobes and certainly a cut or two below Fowler. In Fowler and Dobes, the Habs may have a 1/1A and a 2/3. Cap: 15 McIndoe: They’ll be spending about $6 million on goalies this year, and a third of that comes from the retention on Jake Allen. The big issue here is Carey Price, still on the books for two more years at $10.5 million; that can sit on LTIR if needed, but there are downsides to that, and it complicates an otherwise decent situation. Bottom line: The future is bright in Montreal, a town that’s used to having elite goaltending. The present is a bit more debatable, but if Jesse’s on board then so are we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 49 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Habs ranked fourth in the league in terms of gloaltending strength, Largely based on Fowler and Dobes' potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 4th ranked in Voodoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Puck Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 5 hours ago, GHT120 said: Largely based on Fowler and Dobes' potential. Although Fowler and Dobes were important factors, the performance of Montembeault and Primeau was also very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Peter Puck said: Although Fowler and Dobes were important factors, the performance of Montembeault and Primeau was also very important. They were ranked 12th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Puck Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: They were ranked 12th. Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the factor weighted heaviest in the rankings was current NHL goaltenders. For example Calgary was ahead of us in both cap and prospects but behind us in the overall rankings. For sure our prospects were important in the rankings but so was the evaluation of our current goalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: They were ranked 12th. 12th in the league is not bad at all, I think, especially as we don’t know whether either Montembeault or Primeau have reached their ceilings—and we have some decent prospects in the pipeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, tomh009 said: 12th in the league is not bad at all, I think, especially as we don’t know whether either Montembeault or Primeau have reached their ceilings—and we have some decent prospects in the pipeline. NEVER said 12th was bad ... just that the prospects are rated higher, and logically what elevated the overall ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 On 7/19/2024 at 11:16 PM, Commandant said: Last year Jordan Harris signed for 2 years with a 1.4 AAV With a bigger cap and that Arber has some unique traits.... 2 x 1.75 seems fair. Signed for lower than Harris and lower than I guessed. Thats a nice Team friendly deal for HuGo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I don't think the Habs have what they need to make the payoffs this year, but I would be satisfied if they were in the mix for a playoff spot. Playing meaningful games in March and April will be beneficial for our young core. If they can finish with 85+ points, It will show improvement over last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 39 minutes ago, Habsfan said: I don't think the Habs have what they need to make the payoffs this year, but I would be satisfied if they were in the mix for a playoff spot. Playing meaningful games in March and April will be beneficial for our young core. If they can finish with 85+ points, It will show improvement over last year. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 53 minutes ago, Habsfan said: I don't think the Habs have what they need to make the payoffs this year, but I would be satisfied if they were in the mix for a playoff spot. Playing meaningful games in March and April will be beneficial for our young core. If they can finish with 85+ points, It will show improvement over last year. Yup. That's the minimum goal: meaningful games, something at stake. This group needs to start learning how to manage the pressure of expectations in Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I feel extremely positive with the direction of the team. Lots of questions remain like Dach and health or is Demidov really that good but I like how the new core is developing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 5 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I feel extremely positive with the direction of the team. Lots of questions remain like Dach and health or is Demidov really that good but I like how the new core is developing I also like the number of high potential high-end prospects we have, rather than hoping that late round draft picks will turn out to be gems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Comment from Don Waddell on trading Laine. I really don't see anything happening for a while. Heedger ICYMI re: Patrik Laine and his trade market -> “If I wanted to eat half I could’ve traded him by now, but that’s not my first choice.” #CBJ still faced with stumbling blocks in trading Patrik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedger ICYMI re: Patrik Laine and his trade market -> “If I wanted to eat half I could’ve traded him by now, but that’s not my first choice.” #CBJ still faced with stumbling blocks in trading Patrik
tomh009 Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 25% would probably be fine for the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 6 minutes ago, tomh009 said: 25% would probably be fine for the Habs. As discussed, our cap situation does put us in a promising position to take on a lot of Laine’s salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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