tomh009 Posted December 2, 2024 Author Share Posted December 2, 2024 Newhook-Dach-Anderson on the third line? All were expected to be top-six players when acquired ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 2, 2024 Share Posted December 2, 2024 33 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Newhook-Dach-Anderson on the third line? All were expected to be top-six players when acquired ... This would be a very fast line and Dach could benefit from third line minutes until he gets it together. I also think using Evans here instead of Dach. Simply to free Dach to play with Laine perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 3, 2024 Share Posted December 3, 2024 2 hours ago, tomh009 said: Newhook-Dach-Anderson on the third line? All were expected to be top-six players when acquired ... Although by the time Dach and Newhook were acquired I don't think Anderson was in even the mid-term, let alone long-term, plans for the Top 6 ... I agree was Dach was acquired with the plan that he would be at least the 2C ... but I am not certain Newhook was expected to be Top 6 in the mid-to-long-term ... current 3rd line status is, hopefully, developmental; particularly with Dach coming back from a season off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 Apparently Samuel Montembeault made Canada's roster for the 4 Nations Cup. I didn't see that coming with the start to the year he had. Quote While Montembeault’s numbers may not have popped this season playing behind a Montreal Canadiens team that has had its defensive struggles, he’s believed to have been tabbed for the No. 3 role. At age 28, he’s still relatively young and will be a candidate for future national team duty. Plus he was already the goaltender of record for Canada’s gold-medal win at the 2023 IIHF World Hockey Championship. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5966939/2024/12/03/canada-roster-decisions-4-nations-face-off/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 That was great Lane imitation Slaf did on that play in his own end. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 48 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Apparently Samuel Montembeault made Canada's roster for the 4 Nations Cup. I didn't see that coming with the start to the year he had. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5966939/2024/12/03/canada-roster-decisions-4-nations-face-off/ Playing for the IIHFs seems to have really improved his standing with Hockey Canada and co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: Apparently Samuel Montembeault made Canada's roster for the 4 Nations Cup. I didn't see that coming with the start to the year he had. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5966939/2024/12/03/canada-roster-decisions-4-nations-face-off/ I’m happy for Monty and not all that surprised. He’s been largely great since coming here, and his numbers are deflated a bit by playing in front of the Worst Team D in Human History for the first few weeks of the season. I’m a believer, though - always did like his style, for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 this made me laugh: In spite of their win last night, the #Canadiens' odd of making the #NHLPlayoffs are at 6.4% according to @moneypuck.bsky.social. The #Habs' odds of selecting 1st overall are at 11.5%. #GoHabsGo[image or embed] — JD Lagrange (@jdlagrange.bsky.social) December 4, 2024 at 7:18 AM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 What? Winnipeg fans never cheered in unison for their star player? The other side of this coin is the persistent boos and negative talk that surrounds a player if they aren’t producing or if they are interpreted as being lazy. Give this guy 20 games to get in serious game shape and let’s see what we got. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 Poor Barron. What is in his future? Will St Louis dress him and give him the icetime to see how he does or will injuries open up a spot for him to play a string of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 1 hour ago, DON said: Poor Barron. What is in his future? Will St Louis dress him and give him the icetime to see how he does or will injuries open up a spot for him to play a string of games. I think Barron will continue to rotate with Struble until a better player comes along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 H 1 hour ago, DON said: Poor Barron. What is in his future? Will St Louis dress him and give him the icetime to see how he does or will injuries open up a spot for him to play a string of games. Barrons got one more year after this next one under contract. He's a restricted free agent then still. I don’t see moving him unless they know they have something (better) to replace him. We’re already weak (few options) on the right side so unless we re-sign Savard, make a trade, find a free agent, or Reinbacher is really ready to go and Mailloux has improved his defensive side… he continues to wait in the wings. If he improves a bit we can sign him on a cheap, short term deal. If not, trade him. I almost think we have to keep him until at least the right side picture is more clear (a year from now ?) We have so much young talent coming. Hutson will start the 2026-27 season on a 9-10 million per year contract. We’ll be lucky to sign him at a Suzuki/Caufield/Slaf price. Heineman starts the 2025-26 season with a big raise too. That one will be hard to predict. Bridge 2 ? 5 year ? 8 year ? I think you have to be correct on your Core assessments and give 8 years to your Core 5 guys.. You have a Secondary Core and give them 3-5 years. Then there are guys coming off injuries like Reinbacher you give bridge “show me” contracts to (2-3 years) … Similar to Xhekaj who was not injured but we need to see what we have first at his young age. Then you got “Plugger” contracts and team friendly contracts of 1-3 years. These are the guys who get the last 25% of the Cap after the Core at 45-50% and the Secondary at 25%. They fill in all the holes in your line up at a cost efficiency to stay under the Cap. If you start looking at the talent we have, the talent that is coming, and as those ELCs expire… we are going to be saying good bye to some very good players in the next 4-10 years as we try to keep under the cap. These are my personal opinions ^^^^ I would love to spitball ideas on any of this #$@& above. I welcome it. Please feel free to pick it apart. I want to wrap my head around how we sift through the next 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 I think Barron has til the end of the season to prove he's an NHL player, or else you have to move him. There just isn't room to keep holding him and then give him a qualifying offer in 2026 if he's not part of your team. Might as well trade him and get something for him if he's not part of the future. With Hutson and Mailloux (and Mattheson) who could be back, that could be enough puck movers on one roster and he just doesn't fit if his defence doesn't improve. As for Heineman, while I'd like him to be tried with Suzuki and Caufield now, with our current roster and with Newhook and Slaf struggling, I really don't think he's a long term core piece or top 6 player. I think if he becomes that, it is a good problem to have at that point, but I'm not setting aside huge cap space for his next contract. Reinbacher, as I said in the other thread, I think we know more in summer after he's had a bunch of AHL games and a playoff run. The money is gonna need to be put aside for a top pair RHD though either way. Whether it goes to him or someone else via trade or Free Agency will be the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 Barron has only dressed for 1/2 the games, on one of worst teams in NHL. I could see him making through waivers maybe and i dont expect anyone would trade anything of value for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 31 minutes ago, DON said: Barron has only dressed for 1/2 the games, on one of worst teams in NHL. I could see him making through waivers maybe and i dont expect anyone would trade anything of value for him? Almost zero chance he gets through waivers, but I agree not much value in a trade right now because he is not playing. This was his year to prove it and he hasn't stepped up defensively, a shame because he has the offensive tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 Montembeault named as one of the 3 goalies in the 4 nations cup. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 Patrik Laine’s special Bell Centre moment outweighed by Canadiens’ bigger story - The Athletic “I feel like we had the puck way more, entering the zone we were actually making plays, it wasn’t always a dump-in and chasing the puck. I honestly felt good today,” he said. “I feel like when we forechecked and hit some bodies, they just gave pucks to us. They tried to rush the play and then we collect the puck on the wall. It’s nice to play with three big bodies.” When told Slafkovský was happy about how he played, St. Louis said, “He should be.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: Montembeault named as one of the 3 goalies in the 4 nations cup. Congrats to Monty, who has gone from waivers to Team Canada 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: Montembeault named as one of the 3 goalies in the 4 nations cup. Congrats Samuel ... but I-M-O it speaks to the lack of depth in Canadian net-minders ... USA has Connor Hellebuyck, Jake Oettinger, and Jeremy Swayman ... and not certain Canada is better than Sweden or Finland either ... in terms of goaltending comparisons, thankfully Russia isn't there (Vasilevskiy, Bobrovsky, Varlamov, Shesterkin, Khudobin, Sorokin, Samsonov, Georgiev) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 17 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Congrats Samuel ... but I-M-O it speaks to the lack of depth in Canadian net-minders ... USA has Connor Hellebuyck, Jake Oettinger, and Jeremy Swayman ... and not certain Canada is better than Sweden or Finland either ... in terms of goaltending comparisons, thankfully Russia isn't there (Vasilevskiy, Bobrovsky, Varlamov, Shesterkin, Khudobin, Sorokin, Samsonov, Georgiev) According to Jason Woolley, the USA has an entire development plan for their hockey talent, including goalies, with targeted coaching from a young age. Canada basically just says “OK kid, stop the puck.” So it’s not surprising that we’re no longer producing elite netminders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 11 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: According to Jason Woolley, the USA has an entire development plan for their hockey talent, including goalies, with targeted coaching from a young age. Canada basically just says “OK kid, stop the puck.” So it’s not surprising that we’re no longer producing elite netminders. Being fairly involved in youth hockey in the US, I can tell you the development plan for goalies is very similar. Much goalie development is dependent on how much the parent wants to pay for private ice time (whether in an individual or group setting) as goalies are seen as an individual position and not necessarily a team role. The prevailing thought that "goalies are voodoo" permeates even to the youngest of ages, where it can still be the Mighty Ducks syndrome of take the biggest kid/weakest skater, throw them in net, and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 8 minutes ago, huzer said: Being fairly involved in youth hockey in the US, I can tell you the development plan for goalies is very similar. Much goalie development is dependent on how much the parent wants to pay for private ice time (whether in an individual or group setting) as goalies are seen as an individual position and not necessarily a team role. The prevailing thought that "goalies are voodoo" permeates even to the youngest of ages, where it can still be the Mighty Ducks syndrome of take the biggest kid/weakest skater, throw them in net, and see what happens. That’s interesting. Woodley mentioned a specific national program for goalie development, but perhaps he is exaggerating its impact and reach 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 The biggest issue in goaltending development in canada is cost. Equipment is way more expensive. Extra ice time with dedicated goalie coaches is expensive too. Add in that other sports (see football in Quebec, basketball nation wide) have become really popular and this has also taken some athletes out of hockey. With the costs of goaltending, even the best athletes on the team arent in net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 Gallagher relative best-Dach worst so far, i can buy that. 2024-25 First Quarter Grades: Forwards – HabsWorld.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 3 minutes ago, DON said: Gallagher relative best-Dach worst so far, i can buy that. 2024-25 First Quarter Grades: Forwards – HabsWorld.net Yeah I pretty much agree with the grades and comments. I would very much like if someone else got a shot at Newhook’s spot on the first line. Heineman is my first choice but I'd wouldn’t mind giving Gallagher a shot either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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