hab29RETIRED Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: It seems like a small risk to me because it’s only two years. The actual cap hit isn’t a big deal to me because we have room and we have money coming off the books in 25/26. If Laine craps out then we lose a small asset and move on. I'm not against another solution such as McGroarty but Laine seems easy to me 100% agree. Main thing is that at 100% retention we aren't giving up much. It sounded like Winnipeg wanted a higher 1st rounder for McGroarty. Would the Hage pick and another asset be worth McGroarty? I'm not sure I'd want to give up that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 6 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Would the Hage pick and another asset be worth McGroarty? Hage is probably a better player and wants to play in Montreal. So that aint happening. The whiny kid likley wants to play in USA anyways, with guaranteed icetime and a PP role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 15 minutes ago, DON said: Hage is probably a better player and wants to play in Montreal. So that aint happening. The whiny kid likley wants to play in USA anyways, with guaranteed icetime and a PP role. Not suggesting we trade him - I certainly wouldn't want to. I intended to ask is at the draft would anyone have been okay giving up that pick and another asset for Mcgroarty? I know I wouldn't have been. If that was the type of deal it would cost to get McGroarty, I'd rather get a proven guy (or no has some questions both from a physical and potentially from a mental health standpoint), but will cost less. He can also provide immediate support to Dach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just now, hab29RETIRED said: Not suggesting we trade him - I certainly wouldn't want to. I intended to ask is at the draft would anyone have been okay giving up that pick and another asset for Mcgroarty? I know I wouldn't have been. Ah, gotya. If 'Character' is supposedly key for Habs, just sounds like he lacks it, or has a swelled head or ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, DON said: Ah, gotya. If 'Character' is supposedly key for Habs, just sounds like he lacks it, or has a swelled head or ? I don't have that concern about McGoarty. He may just look at how they've handled Perfetti and doesn't want to be in a similar situation. i just don't think McGoarty is the answer to help us on the Wong on the second line NEXT year - which I think is desperately needed to put Dach in a position to succeed without breaking up our first line. This past draft was also pretty deep. We almost were able to get Eiserman. I'd rather have had the opportunity to draft him over McGoaety. And the more I have read about Hage, I'm very happy with the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 41 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Laine scored 40 goals once in his career, a long time ago. That is a lot to hope for. I was going to post his stats but I can’t figure out how to copy it without being very small. You are essentially correct that he only scored 40 once but he was a goal/game for other seasons. He has turned into a point per game player pretty much and not just a scorer, with fewer goals. Hughes is smarter than me and I’ll trust him to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 13 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I don't have that concern about McGoarty. He may just look at how they've handled Perfetti and doesn't want to be in a similar situation. i just don't think McGoarty is the answer to help us on the Wong on the second line NEXT year - which I think is desperately needed to put Dach in a position to succeed without breaking up our first line. This past draft was also pretty deep. We almost were able to get Eiserman. I'd rather have had the opportunity to draft him over McGoaety. And the more I have read about Hage, I'm very happy with the pick. I bet that unless the Habs get a clear top winger, Josh Anderson will be put in that role. I hope Anderson has a much better year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 21 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I was going to post his stats but I can’t figure out how to copy it without being very small. You are essentially correct that he only scored 40 once but he was a goal/game for other seasons. He has turned into a point per game player pretty much and not just a scorer, with fewer goals. Hughes is smarter than me and I’ll trust him to decide. When Laine has been healthy (both physically and mentally) he can put up points. His health is a big question mark obviously. He also seems like one of those guys (tall and slender) that's an easy target to hit especially when you have to play forward. I just don't see the Habs getting 70+ games out of him so I am very leery of using a big chunk of cap room for a couple years. I could be wrong here. I would rather give up some picks which we have a lot of with salary retention. I have probably been repeating myself on this topic but it's summer time so there isn't much else to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, DON said: The whiny kid likley wants to play in USA anyways, with guaranteed icetime and a PP role. Never heard anything about only wanting to play in the US ... just that he was offended when Jets wouldn't offer him an NHL game last spring to burn a year of hid ELC if he had signed then, and their plans for him to play in the AHL this season if he signs ... if "Winterpeg" itself was a factor, hardly the same as not wanting to play anywhere in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 26 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I hope Anderson has a much better year. ... and gets traded ASAP as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 41 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I bet that unless the Habs get a clear top winger, Josh Anderson will be put in that role. I sure hope not. Either Roy or Armia would be much more effective in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 25 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: When Laine has been healthy (both physically and mentally) he can put up points. His health is a big question mark obviously. He also seems like one of those guys (tall and slender) that's an easy target to hit especially when you have to play forward. I just don't see the Habs getting 70+ games out of him so I am very leery of using a big chunk of cap room for a couple years. I could be wrong here. I would rather give up some picks which we have a lot of with salary retention. I have probably been repeating myself on this topic but it's summer time so there isn't much else to talk about. Great discussion friend👍 8 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I sure hope not. Either Roy or Armia would be much more effective in that role. I would want Roy to get a serious shot at the spot. Third line of Armia, Gallagher, Dvorak and Anderson on the 4th I still expect Marty to start Anderson on the second line. Perhaps he gets less rope this season. 26 minutes ago, GHT120 said: ... and gets traded ASAP as a result. For Laine 🥳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I bet that unless the Habs get a clear top winger, Josh Anderson will be put in that role. I hope Anderson has a much better year. I don't want Anderson anywhere near Dach. The Suzuki line was not that great with Anderson. Even when he was productive, the guy was never in synch with his linemates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 53 minutes ago, GHT120 said: ... and gets traded ASAP as a result. 100% should have been moved last summer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 15 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I don't want Anderson anywhere near Dach. The Suzuki line was not that great with Anderson. Even when he was productive, the guy was never in synch with his linemates. Has he EVER been "in synch" with linemates? Even when his numbers were good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I was going to post his stats but I can’t figure out how to copy it without being very small. Averages 34.85g/82games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: If the guy goes right back to 40 goals a season then Laine is a great piece for cup contention and he is young still. If he craps out then we wasted two years of available cap space. If the Habs had cap trouble then it wouldn’t be in discussion but available cap space seems reasonable to risk to me. At the end of the day I trust Hughes to address the top 6 forward problem one way or another. I don’t care if it’s Laine Scoring 40 with a bum shoulder is highly unlikely, which is why I'd want the team doctors to examine him before spending that space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 20 minutes ago, Commandant said: Scoring 40 with a bum shoulder is highly unlikely, which is why I'd want the team doctors to examine him before spending that space. Yeah absolutely and who knows if Hughes has already done that work and decided to pass. Roy may be a solution to play with Dach but ideally both Roy and Newhook would be on a very strong third line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 30 minutes ago, DON said: Averages 34.85g/82games Generally speaking Laine is a point per game since joining the jets. Adding a point per game player would be great 🎉 I think we have beaten the Laine thing to death so we need new news or rumours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: Has he EVER been "in synch" with linemates? Even when his numbers were good? Even when he was scoring and driving to the net, it didn't look like he as meshing with his linemates. Even during the cup run when he scored some big goals, when he wasn't scoring, it didn't look like he wa in sun h with his linemates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 16 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Even when he was scoring and driving to the net, it didn't look like he as meshing with his linemates. Even during the cup run when he scored some big goals, when he wasn't scoring, it didn't look like he wa in sun h with his linemates. He is hockey's version of the proverbial "5th wheel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I wonder who the one team is? At least Waddell is being somewhat open about the situation. Maybe Hughes is just not interested although you would think he would be checking the price. Blue Jackets GM: Only one team has expressed interest in Patrik Laine (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 44 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I wonder who the one team is? At least Waddell is being somewhat open about the situation. Maybe Hughes is just not interested although you would think he would be checking the price. Blue Jackets GM: Only one team has expressed interest in Patrik Laine (msn.com) I find that surprising, but maybe teams are waiting to see how he looks once he hits the ice. The shoulder thing, as Commandant has raised, could be a worry. Also, how many teams can add that kind of cap hit and are looking to spend it on a W? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 I think that's it: the combination of cap hit and existing injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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