Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Perhaps a little early to do this but why not. The Habs will have 2 x 1st round picks next year so it should be another interesting year to follow the top prospects. Obviously this list from Pronman is early but what's interesting is that there are a lot of centers in the top 10 which is good in case Dach can't rebound from his injury. Obviously hard to say where the picks will be. I am sure many like myself expect the Habs to take a step forward and perhaps draft 8-12 but other teams may take a step forward as well so hard to say. I expect teams like Utah and Seattle to be much improved with the changes they have made. I would bet Calgary finishes bottom 10 (but you never know) so we likely get Florida's pick. I expect Florida to fall somewhat as their defense looks a little thin after losing Montour and Eckman Larson, perhaps this pick will likely be somewhere in the 20's. Plus you always have some late risers. A year ago who expected Sennecke and Iginla to be drafted top 6 this year? Pronman put out his preliminary list:1. James Hagens (C) - US NTDP2. Porter Martone (W) - Brampton Steelheads (OHL)3. Roger McQueen (C) - Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)4. Anton Frundell (C) - Djurgardens (Allsvenskan)5. Jakob Ihs Wozniak (W) - Lulea (SHL)6. Ivan Rybakin (C) - Dynamo Muskova7. Matthew Schaefer (LD) - Eerie Otters (OHL)8. Michael Misa (C) - Saginaw Spirit (OHL)9. Logan Hensler (RD) - US NTDP10. Kashawn Aitcheson (LD) - Barrie Colts (OHL)11. Jackson Smith (LD) - Tri-City Americans (WHL)12. Justin Carbonneau (W) - Blainville-Broisbriand Armada (QMJHL)13. Artyom Vilchinsky (LD) - SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)14. Cole Reschny (C) - Victoria Royals (WHL)15. Caleb Desnoyers (C) - Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)16. Jake O'Brien (C) - Brantford Bulldogs (OHL) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oren Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Perhaps a little early to do this but why not. The Habs will have 2 x 1st round picks next year so it should be another interesting year to follow the top prospects. Obviously this list from Pronman is early but what's interesting is that there are a lot of centers in the top 10 which is good in case Dach can't rebound from his injury. Obviously hard to say where the picks will be. I am sure many like myself expect the Habs to take a step forward and perhaps draft 8-12 but other teams may take a step forward as well so hard to say. I expect teams like Utah and Seattle to be much improved with the changes they have made. I would bet Calgary finishes bottom 10 (but you never know) so we likely get Florida's pick. I expect Florida to fall somewhat as their defense looks a little thin after losing Montour and Eckman Larson, perhaps this pick will likely be somewhere in the 20's. Plus you always have some late risers. A year ago who expected Sennecke and Iginla to be drafted top 6 this year? Pronman put out his preliminary list:1. James Hagens (C) - US NTDP2. Porter Martone (W) - Brampton Steelheads (OHL)3. Roger McQueen (C) - Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)4. Anton Frundell (C) - Djurgardens (Allsvenskan)5. Jakob Ihs Wozniak (W) - Lulea (SHL)6. Ivan Rybakin (C) - Dynamo Muskova7. Matthew Schaefer (LD) - Eerie Otters (OHL)8. Michael Misa (C) - Saginaw Spirit (OHL)9. Logan Hensler (RD) - US NTDP10. Kashawn Aitcheson (LD) - Barrie Colts (OHL)11. Jackson Smith (LD) - Tri-City Americans (WHL)12. Justin Carbonneau (W) - Blainville-Broisbriand Armada (QMJHL)13. Artyom Vilchinsky (LD) - SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)14. Cole Reschny (C) - Victoria Royals (WHL)15. Caleb Desnoyers (C) - Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)16. Jake O'Brien (C) - Brantford Bulldogs (OHL) Great list, I'm high on Anton Frundell, I've been keeping an eye on him, looks like he has the potential to be pretty dynamic at center, I heard a Frolunda podcast in the fall where his compete and skill levels were compared to Saku Koivu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Loaded for bear with ton of picks in 2025... would like to see some of them used for trading for roster player(s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 12 minutes ago, DON said: Loaded for bear with ton of picks in 2025... would like to see some of them used for trading for roster player(s) My OCD is going to be happy when that damned Calgary/Florida pick is finally finished. We would certainly have the picks to move up in the draft. Hopefully that Calgary pick lands at 14 or so and we could draft a couple of good players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: We would certainly have the picks to move up in the draft. Not move up in draft for better picks, use picks & young-d for roster player(s). Is my general thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 18 minutes ago, DON said: Not move up in draft for better picks, use picks & young-d for roster player(s). Is my general thinking. That would also be a great use of all those picks. Savard is likely a deadline trade. Is he worth a first? Perhaps we might have three firsts next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 13 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Savard is likely a deadline trade. Is he worth a first? Perhaps we might have three firsts next year? If Habs are sellers at deadline, if not and are close to playoffs and if Dvorak, Armia and Savard are all contributing to winning, what do ya do? May end up keeping Savard and letting him walk or resign as 3rd pairing guy next summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, DON said: Loaded for bear with ton of picks in 2025... would like to see some of them used for trading for roster player(s) I would think the Habs are almost done accumulating picks. Having 9 in the 1st 4 rounds next year gives them a lot of options. Getting Demidov this year will help a lot with the rebuild. Bundle a bunch together from 2025 and get one more high end forward and we are looking real good. The Pittsburgh 2nd rounder could potentially be a high 2nd round pick. They missed the playoffs last year despite a 36 year old Crosby getting 94 points. When the season starts next year Crosby will be 37 and Malkin is 38. They have to start slowing down sometime and when they do, it's over for Pittsburgh. They also had Guentzel for a chunk of last year which they don't this year. I just don't see Pittsburgh making the playoffs this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 36 minutes ago, DON said: If Habs are sellers at deadline, if not and are close to playoffs and if Dvorak, Armia and Savard are all contributing to winning, what do ya do? Great question. They are all in the last year of their contracts. That will be a tough call for Hughes to make. They only have 1 retention spot left so that will limit them somewhat. I think if you are in the hunt for a playoff spot then the Habs would neither be buyers or sellers. They can't be a buyer until they are a real contender which they won't be next year (I don't think). If they are in the hunt and those guys are playing well then I think you have to be careful about sending the wrong message by being a seller yet again. But if Hughes gets an offer that exceeds expectations?? It really is a tough call. A lot to consider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Truth be told, it's too early for me to know the 2025 names but I'm surprised Misa is 8th on that list. I thought he was supposed to be the next big thing (I know Hagens has since surpassed him but I thought he'd be higher than 8th). And I've followed Aitcheson with Barrie being my local team; I can't say that I'm thinking to myself when I've seen him that he's a possible top-ten pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 We'll probably still have a lottery pick but more in the 8-12 range so hopefully we'll add another key piece that can marinate in the minors for a couple years and come in on a cheap contract when we're contending! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Without knowing what trades Habs will make in next month, who knows where may finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 39 minutes ago, DON said: Without knowing what trades Habs will make in next month, who knows where may finish? We'll, I'd say it's verylikely that we will finish behind at least the following team in the East: 1. Florida 2. NYR 3. Carolina 4. Tampa 5. Boston 6. Toronto 7. NJD 8. Red Wings 9. Ottawa 10. Washington Is also say it's very likely a few of the other teams in the East will also finish ahead of us. So I'd say the highest we'll probably finish is 20, but are more likely to finish in the 22-26 range. To finish higher than that I'd say EVERYTHING has to go right - progression of the D, no regression by Slafkovsky, Suzuki, or Caufield (good chance of them all taking a step forward), a huge step forward by Roy and Newhook, the key high upside young dman having a huge impact, and at least one big scoring winger added to the mix. 2025-26 is the year I'd expect us to take a significant step forward. Not next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 We all know how good pre-season predictions tend to be for NHL rankings and the Wings-Sabers-Caps-Tampa-Devils-Sens could all suck; while the Habs could have a relatively empty sick-bay, be bit better in own end and top nine offense is better and be picking middle of 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 7 Author Share Posted July 7 16 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: We'll, I'd say it's verylikely that we will finish behind at least the following team in the East: 1. Florida 2. NYR 3. Carolina 4. Tampa 5. Boston 6. Toronto 7. NJD 8. Red Wings 9. Ottawa 10. Washington Is also say it's very likely a few of the other teams in the East will also finish ahead of us. So I'd say the highest we'll probably finish is 20, but are more likely to finish in the 22-26 range. To finish higher than that I'd say EVERYTHING has to go right - progression of the D, no regression by Slafkovsky, Suzuki, or Caufield (good chance of them all taking a step forward), a huge step forward by Roy and Newhook, the key high upside young dman having a huge impact, and at least one big scoring winger added to the mix. 2025-26 is the year I'd expect us to take a significant step forward. Not next year. I tend to agree, plus you forgot one important component for improvement next year which I know you will agree with. A healthy Dach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 40 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I tend to agree, plus you forgot one important component for improvement next year which I know you will agree with. A healthy Dach. For sure about Dach. If he is not healthy, or isn't a legit #1b/#2 centre, the rebuilt will be stalled until we get that guy. We also need a scoring winger to play with him. Maybe Roynwipl become that guy, but it would help Dach if there was an established scorer to play with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 59 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Maybe Roynwipl become that guy, but it would help Dach if there was an established scorer to play with him. A scoring winger is always helpful. 😊 Some combination of Newhook, Armia and Roy should be good enough for one season though--unless Hughes manages swing a trade for another young forward this summer yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 Maybe I am over thinking this. But does "lottery protected" mean: 1) if Florida misses the playoffs in 2025 (unlikely but possible) and participates in the lottery then Calgary doesn't get Florida's 2025 1st rounder (reverts to 2026) or 2) Florida would have to win the lottery (ie move up 10 spots or end up drafting 1 or 2) in order for Calgary not to get Florida's 1st rounder (reverts to 2026). I thought I had this all figured out but my brain is starting to hurt again. Calgary Flames Acquire: Jonathan Huberdeau MacKenzie Weegar Cole Schwindt 2025 1st round pick (FLA) [Conditional]* *Conditions: Lottery Protected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 10 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Maybe I am over thinking this. But does "lottery protected" mean: 1) if Florida misses the playoffs in 2025 (unlikely but possible) and participates in the lottery then Calgary doesn't get Florida's 2025 1st rounder (reverts to 2026) or 2) Florida would have to win the lottery (ie move up 10 spots or end up drafting 1 or 2) in order for Calgary not to get Florida's 1st rounder (reverts to 2026). I thought I had this all figured out but my brain is starting to hurt again. Calgary Flames Acquire: Jonathan Huberdeau MacKenzie Weegar Cole Schwindt 2025 1st round pick (FLA) [Conditional]* *Conditions: Lottery Protected Per CapFriendly, the conditions seem to be "Top 10" related: Montreal Canadiens Acquire: Logo of the Montreal Canadiens Sean Monahan · $6,375,000 2025 1st round pick (CGY) [Conditional]**Conditions: 1. If CGY’s 2024 1st round pick is between 20 and 32, MTL can take that pick instead. Result: CGY will pick 9th in 2024. Scenario: In the event CGY receives FLA’s 2025 1st round pick: 1. If both CGY AND FLA’s picks are NOT top 10, MTL will receive the better of the CGY and FLA 2025 1st round picks. Result: TBD 2. If CGY’s pick is top 10, AND FLA’s pick is NOT top 10, MTL receives FLA’s pick. Result: TBD Scenario: In the event CGY does NOT receive FLA’s 1st round pick: Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is NOT top 10 1. MTL will receive the CGY pick, and 2. If FLA’s pick is not top 10, is a better pick than CGY’s, and was transferred to another team due to prior conditions, MTL will also receive CGY’s 2025 4th round pick. Result: TBD Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is top 10: 1. If CGY’s pick is 1st overall, MTL will receive CGY’s 2025 3rd, and the better of CGY and FLA’s 2026 1st round pick. Result: TBD 2. If CGY’s pick is 2nd to 10th, MTL receives CGY’s 2025 1st round pick. Result: TBD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 There are two sets of conditions separate from each other. 1) If Florida misses the playoffs next season, it's a lottery pick and does not transfer to Calgary and therefore is not eligible to transfer to Montreal, triggering one of the extra scenarios in the MTL-CGY trade. 2) The MTL-CGY trade has top-10 conditions, not lottery conditions. Moral of the story: Florida missing the playoffs would be a nice outcome for the Habs. If that happens, Montreal gets Calgary's pick as long as it's not 1st overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 There is actually a scenario where this gets pushed to 2026! So best case scenario is that Calgary finishes 11th next season if I understand this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 8 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: There is actually a scenario where this gets pushed to 2026! So best case scenario is that Calgary finishes 11th next season if I understand this mess. No... best case scenario is Florida misses the playoffs and Calgary is picking 2nd overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 9 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: There is actually a scenario where this gets pushed to 2026! So best case scenario is that Calgary finishes 11th next season if I understand this mess. If Florida makes the playoffs, then Calgary holding the 11th pick post-lottery is the best-case scenario. If Florida misses the playoffs, Montreal gets Calgary's pick if it's from 2-32. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 7 minutes ago, Commandant said: No... best case scenario is Florida misses the playoffs and Calgary is picking 2nd overall Yes, that is the absolute best case. That would be wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 22 minutes ago, dlbalr said: There are two sets of conditions separate from each other. 1) If Florida misses the playoffs next season, it's a lottery pick and does not transfer to Calgary and therefore is not eligible to transfer to Montreal, triggering one of the extra scenarios in the MTL-CGY trade. 2) The MTL-CGY trade has top-10 conditions, not lottery conditions. Moral of the story: Florida missing the playoffs would be a nice outcome for the Habs. If that happens, Montreal gets Calgary's pick as long as it's not 1st overall. Thank you for clarifying. There was some debate about this on the other boards but what you said makes perfect sense. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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