Signing Kaiden Guhle signs: 6 years, $5.55M AAV

[hab29RETIRED]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

You're thinking of trading him on the day he signed a 6 year deal?

 

Im guessing that isnt HuGo's thought process.  Not with this term.

 

If it was short term, then maybe.

I don't get it🙄 I think he will probably be the best all round dman from our young D, and likely to be the best actual defender from the bunch.

[hab29RETIRED]

1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

I won’t reiterate the well-earned paranoia around here about trading excellent young D for FWs - a mistake the Habs have made over and over since the disastrous Chelios trade. But don’t you think Guhle could be a ‘glue guy’ back there, the all-purpose, minutes-munching, ultra-reliable defender who does everything well and plays at key times? I see him as along the lines of Chris Tanev, but probably superior, if his development goes well.

 

That doesn’t make him untradeable, of course.

Sure, if Dallas wants to trade Robertson or Wyatt Johnston for him. I certainly would not even consider moving him for Zegras.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

I think Hughes made a statement today that Guhle is part of the core going forward. There will be defensemen traded but not Guhle.

[DON]

1 hour ago, tomh009 said:

Hutson/Reinbacher and Guhle/Mailloux for the 1A and 1B pairs--hopefully, as three of the four have not played any significant number of NHL games yet.

Bit of understatement;

 

Mailloux 1gm

Hutson 2gm

Reinbacher 0gm

 

Kinda doubt Hutson will line up vs top line, on the PK, or late in 3rd with a 1 goal lead. All time when Guhle will trump him.

Mailloux may be a pylon on defense at NHL speed (a la Sheldon Souray), no one knows yet.

Kinda think Reinbacher is a top 4 lock sooner than later.

 

https://www.habsworld.net/2024/07/habs-sign-kaiden-guhle-to-six-year-extension/

"In 2024-25, it seems likely that Guhle will once again spend some time on his off-side, especially with the departure of Johnathan Kovacevic to New Jersey just after the draft."

 

 

[tomh009]

As I said, it could  be a 1A/1B setup. But there is much development that needs to happen before that yet.

[dlbalr]

 

So Guhle's camp was open to a max-term deal but Sanderson money is $8.05 million.

 

Let's do some number crunching on this.  The total deal is worth $33.3 million over six years.  To get to an $8.05 million AAV over 8, the total value of the deal would have to be $64.4 million.  So the final two years would have then cost the Habs $31.1 million, or an average of $15.5 million per year.  I can see why Hughes said no if this was the level of contract required at eight years compared to the one at six.  (Yes, I know it says similar and not exact but the general idea is still the same, that's a whopper of a cost to add two years.)

[Prime Minister Koivu]

12 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

So Guhle's camp was open to a max-term deal but Sanderson money is $8.05 million.

 

Let's do some number crunching on this.  The total deal is worth $33.3 million over six years.  To get to an $8.05 million AAV over 8, the total value of the deal would have to be $64.4 million.  So the final two years would have then cost the Habs $31.1 million, or an average of $15.5 million per year.  I can see why Hughes said no if this was the level of contract required at eight years compared to the one at six.  (Yes, I know it says similar and not exact but the general idea is still the same, that's a whopper of a cost to add two years.)

We will have to wait and see how all of the contracts pan out in the end but my first impression is that Hughes is a great negotiator and is setting the Habs up for some great cap years. 
 

Cap to say sign a veteran for a cup push in 3 years. 
 

Great job Hughes

[Commandant]

28 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

So Guhle's camp was open to a max-term deal but Sanderson money is $8.05 million.

 

Let's do some number crunching on this.  The total deal is worth $33.3 million over six years.  To get to an $8.05 million AAV over 8, the total value of the deal would have to be $64.4 million.  So the final two years would have then cost the Habs $31.1 million, or an average of $15.5 million per year.  I can see why Hughes said no if this was the level of contract required at eight years compared to the one at six.  (Yes, I know it says similar and not exact but the general idea is still the same, that's a whopper of a cost to add two years.)

 

I kinda think 8.05 was their initial ask and it was never gonna be that high even on 8 years.  They were gonna have to come down from that no matter what.

 

Something in the 6.5-7 range probably would have got 8 years done 

 

That said, im fine with 6 at this cap hit 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

37 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

I kinda think 8.05 was their initial ask and it was never gonna be that high even on 8 years.  They were gonna have to come down from that no matter what.

 

Something in the 6.5-7 range probably would have got 8 years done 

 

That said, im fine with 6 at this cap hit 

I agree, I don't think Guhle was ever going to get Sanderson money as I think Sanderson is a step above, certainly offensively.  Guhle has 1 more year before this kicks in so he is locked in for 7 years which is a long time. Plus getting this done is one less thing for Guhle to worry about, he can concentrate entirely on hockey without worrying about contract stuff.

[tomh009]

2 hours ago, Commandant said:

Something in the 6.5-7 range probably would have got 8 years done

At $7M AAV the last two years would still have effectively cost $11.35M each. So, Hughes did the prudent thing. Seven years from now we are surely not going to be able to keep all our core players from today anyway.

[DON]

3 hours ago, dlbalr said:

So Guhle's camp was open to a max-term deal but Sanderson money is $8.05 million.

 

Let's do some number crunching on this.  The total deal is worth $33.3 million over six years.  To get to an $8.05 million AAV over 8, the total value of the deal would have to be $64.4 million.  So the final two years would have then cost the Habs $31.1 million, or an average of $15.5 million per year.  I can see why Hughes said no if this was the level of contract required at eight years compared to the one at six.  (Yes, I know it says similar and not exact but the general idea is still the same, that's a whopper of a cost to add two years.)

I get it now.

[DON]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/guhle-contract-latest-smart-move-by-hughes-to-advance-canadiens-rebuild/

[Sir_Boagalott]

Guhle's agent even said upwards of $9 mil/yr for 8 yrs.  There is no bloody way Guhle is worth that amount or deserving of more $ than Nick, Cole, or Slaf.  That's completely insane.  

If I was the GM, I would have the identical reaction the Wild had back when Gaborik wanted $10 mil/yr for 10+ yrs.  i.e. that's not how we do things around here, see ya later.  That is the appropriate reaction to the audacity of Guhle basically wanting Makar $. 

 

If Sanderson is worth $8 mil for 40 pts will Hutson be worth $12 mil for Matheson's points?  Sanderson's contract is outright stupid.  It's like Guhle was seeking a Darnell Nurse or Seth Jones albatross nightmare of a dman contract.   

 

I wont be surprised if Guhle isn't at the Habs training camp.  I somewhat expect Hughes to trade him for asking for such an obscene amount of $.

[DON]

Wish he had signed for 8 years but not at the price required by his agent. 

[hab29RETIRED]

35 minutes ago, Sir_Boagalott said:

Guhle's agent even said upwards of $9 mil/yr for 8 yrs.  There is no bloody way Guhle is worth that amount or deserving of more $ than Nick, Cole, or Slaf.  That's completely insane.  

If I was the GM, I would have the identical reaction the Wild had back when Gaborik wanted $10 mil/yr for 10+ yrs.  i.e. that's not how we do things around here, see ya later.  That is the appropriate reaction to the audacity of Guhle basically wanting Makar $. 

 

If Sanderson is worth $8 mil for 40 pts will Hutson be worth $12 mil for Matheson's points?  Sanderson's contract is outright stupid.  It's like Guhle was seeking a Darnell Nurse or Seth Jones albatross nightmare of a dman contract.   

 

I wont be surprised if Guhle isn't at the Habs training camp.  I somewhat expect Hughes to trade him for asking for such an obscene amount of $.

It's the agents job to ask for the moon.  A good GM will just say no. An idiot GM will cave in and pay a second liner like nurse not only top line money, but beat in the league top line money.

 

but no, they aren't moving Guhle - nor should they!🙄

[Commandant]

16 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

It's the agents job to ask for the moon.  A good GM will just say no. An idiot GM will cave in and pay a second liner like nurse not only top line money, but beat in the league top line money.

 

but no, they aren't moving Guhle - nor should they!🙄

 

Exactly correct.

 

Where is this they are going to immediately trade Guhle stuff coming from.  Its crazy.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

29 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Where is this they are going to immediately trade Guhle stuff coming from.  Its crazy.

I think it was one comment from one poster. By signing Guhle for 6 years Hughes made a statement that Guhle is an important part of the Habs core going forward. He is not getting traded.  Period.

[Commandant]

On 7/31/2024 at 10:59 AM, Habsfan89 said:

So his cap hit will take over Dvorak’s cap hit.  But it makes him even more trade able now.  As good as he can be I feel like we have guys in our system that play the same way. So if trading him would land us a top 6 player then i’m all in on it. 

 

1 hour ago, Sir_Boagalott said:

Guhle's agent even said upwards of $9 mil/yr for 8 yrs.  There is no bloody way Guhle is worth that amount or deserving of more $ than Nick, Cole, or Slaf.  That's completely insane.  

If I was the GM, I would have the identical reaction the Wild had back when Gaborik wanted $10 mil/yr for 10+ yrs.  i.e. that's not how we do things around here, see ya later.  That is the appropriate reaction to the audacity of Guhle basically wanting Makar $. 

 

If Sanderson is worth $8 mil for 40 pts will Hutson be worth $12 mil for Matheson's points?  Sanderson's contract is outright stupid.  It's like Guhle was seeking a Darnell Nurse or Seth Jones albatross nightmare of a dman contract.   

 

I wont be surprised if Guhle isn't at the Habs training camp.  I somewhat expect Hughes to trade him for asking for such an obscene amount of $.

 

Two people mentioned it.  Thats why i asked why its even a thing.

[Commandant]

30 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I think it was one comment from one poster. By signing Guhle for 6 years Hughes made a statement that Guhle is an important part of the Habs core going forward. He is not getting traded.  Period.

 

I completely agree.  I think the talk its even possible in the near future is whacky.

 

Does he last the full 6 years, who knows, thats a long time.  But the idea they are signing him to trade him within a few weeks is whacky 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Hughes is clearly building a cup contending core and Guhle is certainly part of that. 
 

Habs need to plug one large hole in a top 6 forward and we also need players to hit potential such as Demidov, Hutson but we are on the right path to contention. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Hughes is clearly building a cup contending core and Guhle is certainly part of that. 
 

Habs need to plug one large hole in a top 6 forward and we also need players to hit potential such as Demidov, Hutson but we are on the right path to contention. 

 

Agreed, when he signed Suzuki, Caulfield, Slaf and Guhle to long term contracts he was saying in effect that these guys are part of the core and we will build the team around them.  Could things change in a few years?  Sure, but his intent, right now is to build the team around them. As you said, still need to pug a couple holes but the number of missing pieces to this puzzle is getting smaller. 

[Sir_Boagalott]

On 8/1/2024 at 11:25 PM, Commandant said:

 

Where is this they are going to immediately trade Guhle stuff coming from.  Its crazy.

 

Well, you might be unaware that there has been a plethora of young top 6 F's linked to the Habs as trade bait targets for them to acquire.  In order to get a top 6 F you would need to give up something equivalent, such as a top 4 dman.  There is nothing "crazy" about that.

 

Previously to Guhles signing, other GM's might have been concerned with what his next contract could be.  Now, that info is longer unknown and it is a reasonable aav so that could potentially move the needle on any previous trade negotiations that fell apart for that

reason.

 

On 8/2/2024 at 9:55 AM, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

still need to pug a couple holes but the number of missing pieces to this puzzle is getting smaller

 

The people that know trading Guhle is dumb are failing to consider what they might get in return for him.  ex:  trade Guhle and Cal/Flor 1st for a top 6 F and a young 5th damn that excels at PK.  i.e. the hole they still need to plug is a PK/shut-down specialist dman that can jump them 10+ spots so they go from 5th worst PK to middle of the pack.  Guhle is incapable of doing that.  Instead of having a 20 mins/game jack-of-all-trades dman like Guhle they could be better off having a dman PK/shut-down specialist that plays 18 mins/game.  

[TurdBurglar]

1 hour ago, Sir_Boagalott said:

Instead of having a 20 mins/game jack-of-all-trades dman like Guhle they could be better off having a dman PK/shut-down specialist that plays 18 mins/game.  

 

If Guhle's being moved, it's not for a few years.  There's no short term holes in the lineup worth trading good young players right now.  Guhle may very well still developed into the type of player you're describing and more.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

58 minutes ago, Sir_Boagalott said:

 

The people that know trading Guhle is dumb are failing to consider what they might get in return for him.  ex:  trade Guhle and Cal/Flor 1st for a top 6 F and a young 5th damn that excels at PK.  i.e. the hole they still need to plug is a PK/shut-down specialist dman that can jump them 10+ spots so they go from 5th worst PK to middle of the pack.  Guhle is incapable of doing that.  Instead of having a 20 mins/game jack-of-all-trades dman like Guhle they could be better off having a dman PK/shut-down specialist that plays 18 mins/game.  

I think most are aware that Guhle is very marketable and could be part of a package for a very good forward. However I think Hughes see Guhle and Reinbacher as his shutdown pair of the future. They might not be easy to replace. I don't think you want to plug one hole to create another especially when Demidov is only a year away and may be the answer to that elite forward we really need. Just my opinion but I don't think there is any way Hughes is trading Guhle or Reinbacher.

[DON]

Just sillyness talking trading Guhle.

Not even worth discussing.