GHT120 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 43 minutes ago, Butterface said: Thought it was weird they left out Reinbacher…. But okay. He has played a total of 11 games in North America and we don't yet know when he will be back on the ice ... likely a bit premature to include him in NHL plans before 26/27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 52 minutes ago, Butterface said: An article on Mailloux and snippets on past trades and future of d-core: https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-mailloux-adds-surplus-defensemen-prospect-pool/ Trading all three defensemen was a risk worth taking. The Canadiens wanted to build around Hutson, Kaiden Guhle, Arber Xhekaj, and Mailloux. All four skaters are 25 or younger and they provide the unit with all the skills necessary to have a great defense. The Canadiens look like they can make the playoffs this season and their youth movement on defense only provides more optimism. Thought it was weird they left out Reinbacher…. But okay. Interested to see how the Habs attack the draft this year… they’ve slid down the draft this month and a half and new strategies will be needed with this dramatic change in the team’s fortunes and the draft misfortunes this success has caused. It will maybe go to the TDL wire to see what management has up their sleeve for move one. Article on as nonsense. This is why there’s a big difference reading something written by someone in the know to just some Joe blow writing an article. i can see leaving out Reinbacher since the focus was on who’s in Montreal and Laval currently. But the suggestion that Matheson or Carrière may be moved to make room for Mailloux at the deadline is just plain dumb. Moving Carriere makes zero sense. I also don’t see them moving Matheson at the deadline unless they really fall back in the standings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: He has played a total of 11 games in North America and we don't yet know when he will be back on the ice ... likely a bit premature to include him in NHL plans before 26/27. All true, but a 5th overall pick RHD should get a mention. None of the others were picked that high. (Hutson maybe should have, but wasn’t 😅) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 minutes ago, Butterface said: All true, but a 5th overall pick RHD should get a mention. None of the others were picked that high. (Hutson maybe should have, but wasn’t 😅) So some fan blog (cause that's what thehockeywriters is, a collection of fan blogs) didn't mention him. Who cares? It says more about the writer than the Habs organization and their plans for Reinbacher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Article on as nonsense. This is why there’s a big difference reading something written by someone in the know to just some Joe blow writing an article. i can see leaving out Reinbacher since the focus was on who’s in Montreal and Laval currently. But the suggestion that Matheson or Carrière may be moved to make room for Mailloux at the deadline is just plain dumb. Moving Carriere makes zero sense. I also don’t see them moving Matheson at the deadline unless they really fall back in the standings. Carrier I can see being here until end of 2028-29… Matheson could be moved anytime, but I’d prefer to do it after we are settled on the right side. Whether that’s in a trade in summer, into next season or TDL next year when we are forced to anyway (assuming we don’t make room for him or keep him for a playoff run)…. If we start a losing skid this year, I suppose yes, nothing is off the table for Matheson. Sometimes articles like this get discussion going… articles that suggest we go for Crosby or Miller are the ones that bother me… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 25 minutes ago, Commandant said: It says more about the writer than the Habs organization and their plans for Reinbacher. Don’t think anyone thought Habs management had any involvement with the article. I was just pointing out it was odd the article (writer) didn’t mention Reinbacher. Nothing more. Looking forward to seeing how you value/rank your draft prospects versus the other lists. How do you evaluate rank ? Are you giving 1-10 point values on skating, stick-handing, technique, size, IQ, shot, durability, upside, consistency… positional traits, etc ? Then adding up the points ? or are you doing it some other way to figure out rankings ? For instance how do you decide whether a RHD is better than a goalie or a left-winger to make them 26th, 30th and 31st overall ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 We have several people voting on simply, who is the best player available and tally the points of each player and then rank them. The people we have writing for our site have access to lots of video, we pay for site subscriptions to services to watch CHL, College, European games and evaluate the tapes on them. We try to see each prospect in full games (much of it watched on demand, so we can avoid stoppages and commercials and watch a full game in about an hour), at least 4 - 5 games per player and non-consecutive. We use others lists to focus on who to watch, but not on ranking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Here is a brief discussion which I agree with. Don’t get excited… it’s not as thrilling as the clickbait headline… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, Butterface said: Here is a brief discussion which I agree with. Don’t get excited… it’s not as thrilling as the clickbait headline… I agree with the concept that if all we are going to get are mid round picks for Savard, we may as well just keep him. I do think Hughes is actively shopping Savard, Armia, Evans - It’s all about return I also agree that Hughes could be looking to add to the team this deadline but more of a hockey trade and nothing like a rental coming here. Agree that we could use a left shot centre to replace Dvorak but I personally don’t think it’s the end of the world if we don’t. I personally would like another top 6 forward that can push Newhook to the third line. I know Demidov is coming next season and Newhook has been decent lately but let them play together on the third line next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 45 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I agree with the concept that if all we are going to get are mid round picks for Savard, we may as well just keep him. I do think Hughes is actively shopping Savard, Armia, Evans - It’s all about return I also agree that Hughes could be looking to add to the team this deadline but more of a hockey trade and nothing like a rental coming here. Agree that we could use a left shot centre to replace Dvorak but I personally don’t think it’s the end of the world if we don’t. I personally would like another top 6 forward that can push Newhook to the third line. I know Demidov is coming next season and Newhook has been decent lately but let them play together on the third line next season Is there a playoff team that could use a LD like Matheson and an Armia/Dvorak that has a can’t miss RD prospect they may be willing to trade?? I wish the answer to that was Minny - I really was hoping we could have made another deal to pick Buium last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 20 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Is there a playoff team that could use a LD like Matheson and an Armia/Dvorak that has a can’t miss RD prospect they may be willing to trade?? I wish the answer to that was Minny - I really was hoping we could have made another deal to pick Buium last year. I think Matheson is here until AT LEAST the next season’s trade deadline. I do still wonder if Matheson would be enough of a key piece in a Pettersson trade - unlikely but Hughes traded Barron for Carrier so… My “desperation” to get a top RD has abated since picking up Carrier. At this point I’m hopeful that Reinbacher or Mailloux will become a beast but how great would it have been to add Buium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 On 1/25/2025 at 5:30 PM, Commandant said: We have several people voting on simply, who is the best player available and tally the points of each player and then rank them. The people we have writing for our site have access to lots of video, we pay for site subscriptions to services to watch CHL, College, European games and evaluate the tapes on them. We try to see each prospect in full games (much of it watched on demand, so we can avoid stoppages and commercials and watch a full game in about an hour), at least 4 - 5 games per player and non-consecutive. We use others lists to focus on who to watch, but not on ranking Do you think one could compile the lists of say 5 scouts/organizations like Button, McKenzie, Central Scouting, Elite Prospects, THN … average the rank of the draftees and get a very accurate overall ranking of players ? This is roughly how it comes out if you average 4 scouts/organizations (McKenzie, Button, Elite, DF): 1. Schaefer 2. Hagens 3. Misa 4. Martone 5. McQueen 6. Eklund 7. Desnoyers 8. Smith 9. Frondell 10. Bear The first 6 picks have gone as expected…. You are picking 7th… According to McKenzie BPA is Frondell his 5th choice, but able for him to pick at 7th… according to Button BPA is Frondell at 7th, his 2nd choice … According to Daily Faceoff BPA is Smith at 7th, their 6th choice….According to Elite BPA is Smith at 7th, their 6th choice. Those 4 consolidated scouts/orgs say Desnoyers….. Who is the actual BPA or are those 3 equal ? My work in the photo.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I don't run my website full time. I have a busy job, as Im a lawyer outside of that. So no I dont have time to assemble different lists and make a consensus. I do know elite prospects does this behind their paywall though. As for whether this is an accurate ranking. Accurate for what? We know nhl teams draft who they think is the best player and different teams value different traits and will see players differently so jts not going to be predictive for draft day. Im just trying to figure out what the use of this list would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 As for who the BPA is, again its who your scouts that you as a team employ, say it is. If you are using other sources than your own scouts, you wasted millions on scouting and no owner is gonna want to hear we paid these scouts but then we averaged out the mcKeens, button, EP, mckenzie ranks and drafted that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Commandant said: As for who the BPA is, again its who your scouts that you as a team employ, say it is. If you are using other sources than your own scouts, you wasted millions on scouting and no owner is gonna want to hear we paid these scouts but then we averaged out the mcKeens, button, EP, mckenzie ranks and drafted that guy. I understand, so in-house takes over and the in-house list might even favour a fourth player… for whatever reasons. Likely in-house has had just as many different players thrown out in discussion for that spot and have whittled it down to one. That’s their guy. That’s why you say there is always just one guy and no tiers or groups of equals. Because, in the end, management has taken in all the information, maybe even considered these lists above - added to its own list and made just one all-encompassing list they’ve compiled internally. They’ve debated it, and it is final. So on the floor they are just concentrating on the strategy of moving up or down based on what they see happening or are offered, and/or potential on-the-fly player trades. Their next pick is a foregone conclusion because it is BPA from their debated, compiled, internal, all-encompassing list. Not trying to make a specific point, I just want to get an idea of what they discuss while waiting their turn. What’s left is just whether they want to move up the board to get a “targeted” player they deem desirable, or take it as it comes. (Or move down if they believe their best option is to acquire more picks.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Its a giant poker game too. Teams are trying to figure out who other teams want to know if they should trade up or down. We often see scouts fired the day after the draft. Thats cause even if you arent happy with your scouts you dont want them going to another team with your list. Not cause it will change the other teams list but might help them trade up or down. GM and AGM hires have often been limited to working with new team til after the draft too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 hours ago, Butterface said: Do you think one could compile the lists of say 5 scouts/organizations like Button, McKenzie, Central Scouting, Elite Prospects, THN … average the rank of the draftees and get a very accurate overall ranking of players ? This is roughly how it comes out if you average 4 scouts/organizations (McKenzie, Button, Elite, DF): 1. Schaefer 2. Hagens 3. Misa 4. Martone 5. McQueen 6. Eklund 7. Desnoyers 8. Smith 9. Frondell 10. Bear The first 6 picks have gone as expected…. You are picking 7th… According to McKenzie BPA is Frondell his 5th choice, but able for him to pick at 7th… according to Button BPA is Frondell at 7th, his 2nd choice … According to Daily Faceoff BPA is Smith at 7th, their 6th choice….According to Elite BPA is Smith at 7th, their 6th choice. Those 4 consolidated scouts/orgs say Desnoyers….. Who is the actual BPA or are those 3 equal ? My work in the photo.. great job. I agree with your thinking: it is hard to define a pick out of the concensus top-5. Some vanity web pages have lists and analisys, but very few ahve a high percentage of successfully predicting the draft. This, combined with your spreadsheet on the team's roster would yield as good a guess as anyone's on whom the Habs may pick. Keep it up! It is fun to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 14 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: great job. I agree with your thinking: it is hard to define a pick out of the concensus top-5. Some vanity web pages have lists and analisys, but very few ahve a high percentage of successfully predicting the draft. This, combined with your spreadsheet on the team's roster would yield as good a guess as anyone's on whom the Habs may pick. Keep it up! It is fun to see Yeah, I think what I’ll do for fun is come up with a consolidated list (of top 30-32 picks) a few days before the draft based on final rankings provided by experts. Guess at players the Canadiens might target to trade up for ……. and who they might pick at their scheduled spots….. prior to the draft. I’ll do for first round only because it’s way too hard for a complete amateur to speculate beyond one round… let alone after the top few picks. Hopefully I can combine and average-out at least 5 final scouting lists and make 1 consolidated list just before the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 12 hours ago, Butterface said: Yeah, I think what I’ll do for fun is come up with a consolidated list (of 30-32) a few days before the draft based on final rankings provided by experts. Guess at players the Canadiens might target to trade up for ……. and who they might pick at their scheduled spots….. prior to the draft. I’ll do for first round only because it’s way too hard for a complete amateur to speculate beyond one round… let alone after the top few picks. Hopefully I can combine and average-out at least 5 final scouting lists and make 1 consolidated list just before the draft. The lists do not align the further you go into the draft. I used to follow Comandant’s and quote him on this forum until he did his commandant thing on me. He is good at commenting on skating ability. IMHO none of the experts are better than the other at predicting.But reading their projections and trying to guess picks is fun. the wrench in this is when they trade picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I used to follow Comandant’s and quote him on this forum until he did his commandant thing on me. Hey @tomh009 I know you warned me for personal attacks in the last game day thread.... what do you call this. Same shit and always from this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Commandant said: Hey @tomh009 I know you warned me for personal attacks in the last game day thread.... what do you call this. Same shit and always from this guy. I am not attacking you buddy. I was not évent replying to you ?! if you cannot take every mention of you as personal attack, maybe you should not be in a forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 52 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I am not attacking you buddy. I was not évent replying to you ?! if you cannot take every mention of you as personal attack, maybe you should not be in a forum "did his commandant thing" ok bud If i say a word about you, you freak out.... but you can say shit about me. You live in a glass house. If you are gonna brag about having me on ignore, not interracting with me, etc... don't... Just keep my name out your ####ing mouth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I was not being rude. Some people have short fuses, let’s hope they do not own a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, alfredoh2009 said: Some people have short fuses, let’s hope they do not own a gun @tomh009 #2 in making things personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 minutes ago, Commandant said: @tomh009 #2 in making things personal. no, I made a comment about people with short fuses. if the shoe fits, … Please stop referring to me. Do not adress me or my posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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