Montembeault goalie

[Bernier Mr.]

Montambault is first to fat and show an excess of weight  and not fast anough .  Ces déplacements de gauche à droite sont trop lents.

Il fait souvent le premier geste et ne sort pas assez devant son filet and not using his size enough to cover shots in the upper part of the net. 

Montambault hey! you play in the NHL " wake-up body.  

[Commandant]

 

Montembeault is too fat?  What are we even doing here?  What the hell is that argument?

[Canajun]

Nice welcome there to a new contributor to this forum. I thought you said you never insult people?

[Canajun]

Mr. Bernier, I will say welcome to the forum.

[Commandant]

2 hours ago, Canajun said:

Nice welcome there to a new contributor to this forum. I thought you said you never insult people?

 

Where did I insult him. 

Saying that Montembeault is too fat is a stupid argument and making that a first post feels like trolling.

 

That's attacking an argument and not a person.  You'll have to learn the difference. Just like our new friend will need to learn to spell Montembeault 

[DON]

2 hours ago, Bernier Mr. said:

Montambault is first to fat and show an excess of weight  and not fast anough .  Ces déplacements de gauche à droite sont trop lents.

Il fait souvent le premier geste et ne sort pas assez devant son filet and not using his size enough to cover shots in the upper part of the net. 

Montambault hey! you play in the NHL " wake-up body.  

I dont get this, a joke of some sort?

[TurdBurglar]

12 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

Where did I insult him. 

Saying that Montembeault is too fat is a stupid argument and making that a first post feels like trolling.

 

That's attacking an argument and not a person.  You'll have to learn the difference. Just like our new friend will need to learn to spell Montembeault 

 

Unless you can explain anything from that video that relates to the post in the slightest, it's an attack on the person, not the argument.  It's quite obvious that it's an attempt to insinuate the OP is smoking crack because you see their post as gibberish. 

[huzer]

My goodness, it’s a bridge too far when people are defending an obvious troll. Tis a thread that should just be deleted. 

[Commandant]

9 minutes ago, huzer said:

My goodness, it’s a bridge too far when people are defending an obvious troll. Tis a thread that should just be deleted. 

 

Usual suspects who hate me defending a troll cause I told him his argument was nonsense. 

[Commandant]

22 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

 

Unless you can explain anything from that video that relates to the post in the slightest, it's an attack on the person, not the argument.  It's quite obvious that it's an attempt to insinuate the OP is smoking crack because you see their post as gibberish. 

 

I said the argument was nonsense, and something that I expect would be said after smoking crack. 

 

Sorry you don't understand that.  You seem to be misunderstanding what I wrote, but sure.....  

 

And yes, the post is gibberish.  We don't parce out little mistakes, but that post is verging on unreadable given the multiple spelling mistakes, the multiple grammatical errors, changing languages mid stream, and an argument that a player is "too fat" which doesn't even make sense.  So yes, I agree when you call the post Gibberish.  

 

And yes a nonsensical post can be compared to what might be said if someone is under the influence.

[TurdBurglar]

17 minutes ago, Commandant said:

I said the argument was nonsense, and something that I expect would be said after smoking crack.

 

 

A personal attack is a type of argument that focuses on criticizing a person's character, personality, or appearance rather than addressing their ideas or arguments.  - pulled that from google AI. 

 

That statement alone validates that it was in fact a personal attack.  Smoking crack has nothing to do with the OP, this forum, the Montreal Canadiens, the NHL, or hockey in general.  It is only about the person making the statement.  Which is in fact, a personal attack.

 

Which also contradicts your opinion that you never insulted them and the you were "attacking an argument and not a person."

 

@tomh009 @dlbalr

[Commandant]

4 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

 

 

A personal attack is a type of argument that focuses on criticizing a person's character, personality, or appearance rather than addressing their ideas or arguments.  - pulled that from google AI. 

 

That statement alone validates that it was in fact a personal attack.  Smoking crack has nothing to do with the OP, this forum, the Montreal Canadiens, the NHL, or hockey in general.  It is only about the person making the statement.  Which is in fact, a personal attack.

 

Which also contradicts your opinion that you never insulted them and the you were "attacking an argument and not a person."

 

@tomh009 @dlbalr

 

 

This post is incredibly stupid.... which makes sense as you based it on google AI. 

 

You are now trolling just as much as the original poster did. 

 

You and Canajun only post here when its to attack me.  Make a post about hockey for once or Go argue with a wall. 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

The original post is a mess.

 

It did get me thinking about one thing, though - using my long memory as an old guy.

 

There is always a significant chunk of the Habs fanbase that doesn’t like the Habs’ goalie. Doesn’t matter who it is.

 

Patrick Roy? I remember FOR YEARS quite a few friends of mine in Montreal, and callers to Montreal sports radio, saying they didn’t like him, that he was overrated, trade Roy, etc. 1993 shut them up, mostly. But it took one of the greatest playoff runs in all of NHL history to mute them.

 

Carey Price? Same deal. Apart from 2014, when he was so dominant it was ridiculous, he also had a significant cohort of fans affecting to be unimpressed. Overrated. He never wins anything. Trade him. Blah blah blah. Went on right to the end.

 

So I think goaltending is the same way as second-tier offensive defencemen in Montreal. It’s a certain profile of player/position that, for whatever reason, the Montreal fanbase has a long history of unfairly denigrating. 

 

Montembault is just the latest in that line. 

 

The evidence is in: he’s a quality NHL starter. But this isn’t about evidence. It’s about a fanbase that has a cultural tic whereby it demands that its goalie play at the level of the all-time greatest performances in the history of the position, or else be criticized as inadequate.

[TurdBurglar]

3 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

 

This post is incredibly stupid.... which makes sense as you based it on google AI. 

 

You are now trolling just as much as the original poster did. 

 

You and Canajun only post here when its to attack me.  Make a post about hockey for once or Go argue with a wall. 

I regret to inform you that pointing out what you did isn't attacking you.

 

Also accusing me of only posting when it's to attack you is just false.  I've had almost zero interaction with you for months.  That's just fabricating a story to play the victim. 

[xXx..CK..xXx]

It’s really not that simple because the point can be made from either side.

 

There were indeed fans who criticized Price at times and I personally would argue against them because Price was one of the greatest goaltenders.

 

If we’re not going to be able to compare Montembeault to Price in terms of expectation and overall level (which I agree with) because the comparison is unjust, then we shouldn’t be able to compare Montembeault and Price in terms of the criticism each goalie faces.

 

Perhaps it is possible that Montembeault deserves more criticism than Price. 

 

Montembeault is a starting goalie in the NHL but the quality starter statement is arguable. Sometimes he is and sometimes he isn’t and while it has already been pointed out that we’re all human and every goalie is inconsistent at times, that’s what’s holding him back from being a top tier starter. 

 

Games played over past 5 years (24th)

 

Shutouts over last 5 years (tied 44th)

 

Goals against average (tied 83rd)

 

Save percentage (tied 71st)

 

Sure, the stats are not perfect and someone can break down why they aren’t accurate all they want. The sport is a team sport after all. However, the goalie is part of that team.

 

With Montembeault’s stats, how many goalies that he is surrounded by are starters, and how many are backups? It seems to me that he is surrounded by a lot of backups and 1b) names.

 

It is what it is. I personally can’t remember another starting goalie of ours that I criticized so this is new for me. He has played very well in April and has indeed shown that he is capable. I don’t agree with the evidence absolutely pointing him to being a quality NHL starter, but I do agree that goaltending overall seems to be getting worse and worse statistically year after year and that plays a role in my judgement if we are comparing to goaltending in general in the past. 

[Commandant]

19 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

I regret to inform you that pointing out what you did isn't attacking you.

 

Also accusing me of only posting when it's to attack you is just false.  I've had almost zero interaction with you for months.  That's just fabricating a story to play the victim. 

 

Your last post before today was March 9th.... so over a full month with no hockey posts... and only posted three times today to attack me.

 

Prior to your 1 post in march, you made one post in February. 

 

So in the last 2.5 months (february, march, half of April) you made two posts on hockey and three posts commenting about me and coming to the defence of a clear troll against me. 

I'm flattered that I live rent free in your head, but this behaviour is a little ####ing weird dude.

 

Post about hockey instead of about me man... this is habsworld, not attackcommandantworld.

 

[Commandant]

23 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

It’s really not that simple because the point can be made from either side.

 

There were indeed fans who criticized Price at times and I personally would argue against them because Price was one of the greatest goaltenders.

 

If we’re not going to be able to compare Montembeault to Price in terms of expectation and overall level (which I agree with) because the comparison is unjust, then we shouldn’t be able to compare Montembeault and Price in terms of the criticism each goalie faces.

 

Perhaps it is possible that Montembeault deserves more criticism than Price. 

 

Montembeault is a starting goalie in the NHL but the quality starter statement is arguable. Sometimes he is and sometimes he isn’t and while it has already been pointed out that we’re all human and every goalie is inconsistent at times, that’s what’s holding him back from being a top tier starter. 

 

Games played over past 5 years (24th)

 

Shutouts over last 5 years (tied 44th)

 

Goals against average (tied 83rd)

 

Save percentage (tied 71st)

 

Sure, the stats are not perfect and someone can break down why they aren’t accurate all they want. The sport is a team sport after all. However, the goalie is part of that team.

 

With Montembeault’s stats, how many goalies that he is surrounded by are starters, and how many are backups?

 

It is what it is. I personally can’t remember another starting goalie of ours that I criticized so this is new to me. He has played very well in April and has indeed shown that he is capable. I don’t agree with the evidence absolutely pointing him to being a quality NHL starter, but I do agree that goaltending overall seems to be getting worse and worse statistically year after year and that plays a role in my judgement. 

 

Your analysis using shutouts, save percentage, and goals against average..... stats heavily influenced by quality of team, and also using years where the Habs finished last, 5th last and 5th last in the NHL as part of the equation.

 

But you're not using GSAx which is a stat that removes team quality from the equation and where Montembault excels. 

 

Cherry picking the numbers that hurt him and where he is hurt by the quality of team in front of him, instead of an advanced individual stats that does a good (but not perfect job) of removing the effect of teams, is a flawed analysis. 

 

 

[TurdBurglar]

3 hours ago, Commandant said:

You and Canajun only post here when its to attack me.

 

6 minutes ago, Commandant said:

So in the last 2.5 months (february, march, half of April) you made two posts on hockey and three posts commenting about me.

 

How could I make, and I quote, "two posts on hockey," if I, and I quote again, "only post here when its to attack me?"

 

That's a pretty contradictory statement.  I also don't have to explain to you why I haven't posted in months, so the reason I haven't posted is quite honestly, none of your concern.

[Commandant]

10 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

 

 

How could I make, and I quote, "two posts on hockey," if I, and I quote again, "only post here when its to attack me?"

 

That's a pretty contradictory statement.  I also don't have to explain to you why I haven't posted in months, so the reason I haven't posted is quite honestly, none of your concern.

 

2.5 months.....

 

4 posts about me

 

2 about hockey. 

 

The numbers speak for themselves. .... 

I'm rent free in your head. 

 

I don't give a shit if you disappear for months.... but I do care when your only reason for returning after not posting for a month is to post about me. Its ####ing weird.  

 

Its more than just a little stalkerish to be honest. 

 

[TurdBurglar]

4 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

2.5 months.....

 

4 posts about me

 

2 about hockey. 

 

The numbers speak for themselves. .... 

I'm rent free in your head. 

 

I don't give a shit if you disappear for months.... but I do care when your only reason for returning after not posting for a month is to post about me. Its ####ing weird.

 

I'm glad you think that you're the only reason I've returned.  It still doesn't change you personally attacked a poster, then played victim, now trying to shift the blame to me for this situation.  As for this interaction, I'm done. 

 

I hope the admins handle this situation appropriately for someone who has been publicly warned with a ban for this behavior, publicly warned for that same type of behavior since that ban warning and is now repeating that exact type of behavior in the last 6 months alone.

[Commandant]

40 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

I'm glad you think that you're the only reason I've returned.  It still doesn't change you personally attacked a poster, then played victim, now trying to shift the blame to me for this situation.  As for this interaction, I'm done. 

 

I hope the admins handle this situation appropriately for someone who has been publicly warned with a ban for this behavior, publicly warned for that same type of behavior since that ban warning and is now repeating that exact type of behavior in the last 6 months alone.

 

5 posts about me now.....

 

 

And yeah the admin should act... keep the people who contribute to hockey discussions and get rid of those who just cause shit. 

 

5 posts about me.... and 2 about hockey in 2.5 months speaks for itself.   You are more concerned with me than with hockey.

 

[hab29RETIRED]

4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

The original post is a mess.

 

It did get me thinking about one thing, though - using my long memory as an old guy.

 

There is always a significant chunk of the Habs fanbase that doesn’t like the Habs’ goalie. Doesn’t matter who it is.

 

Patrick Roy? I remember FOR YEARS quite a few friends of mine in Montreal, and callers to Montreal sports radio, saying they didn’t like him, that he was overrated, trade Roy, etc. 1993 shut them up, mostly. But it took one of the greatest playoff runs in all of NHL history to mute them.

 

Carey Price? Same deal. Apart from 2014, when he was so dominant it was ridiculous, he also had a significant cohort of fans affecting to be unimpressed. Overrated. He never wins anything. Trade him. Blah blah blah. Went on right to the end.

 

So I think goaltending is the same way as second-tier offensive defencemen in Montreal. It’s a certain profile of player/position that, for whatever reason, the Montreal fanbase has a long history of unfairly denigrating. 

 

Montembault is just the latest in that line. 

 

The evidence is in: he’s a quality NHL starter. But this isn’t about evidence. It’s about a fanbase that has a cultural tic whereby it demands that its goalie play at the level of the all-time greatest performances in the history of the position, or else be criticized as inadequate.

Monty is just unlucky that he is replacing Monty.

 

as far as criticism of Habs goalies in general. I don’t think it’s just goalies. I think if you are a Habs fan in your 50’s and you grow up watching a dominant 70’s team, there is still that tendency to be critical when they are off. As a kid I was horrified when the fans turned on Dryden who was my favourite player. As a university student I was shocked that fans anted red light Racicot to start over Roy. But having said that even when my favourite players are no shows. I am critical. As a Habs fan I grow up expecting a consistent effort and for us to win. I stopped watching hockey COMPLETELY for a few years, and so my sporadically for another.

 

First was after the Habs went from bad to pathetic following the Roy trade. Koivu’s battle with Cancer brought me back. Second was yr 3 following the Subban trade and after Markov was also abandoned. Still think it was a dumb trade by dumb GM, who had even a dumber coach that should number have gotten a second chance. Heating the interview Nilan had with Terry Ryan about Therrien made me hate him even more.

 

Ive been wanting a true rebuild since the late 90’s, and this is the most confident I have ever been in Habs management since Savard. Having said that, I will still be critical of them when I don’t like what I see. We are in a position to be in the playoffs because of St. Louis - he is a 200% better coach and human being than Therrien, but that doesn’t mean I will not be critical when I’m not liking what I see. I don’t think he has made the adjustments required in the past week and his inability to make in game adjustments fast enough show that he would benefit from having an experienced assistant.

 

One player who has amazed me is Hutson. He made a couple of giveaways that cost us the game and I’d be telling my son, he can’t be song that. But one thing about Hutson that amazes me is how quickly he adjusts and learns from his mistakes. He still gives way the puck on high risk plays (which he has become more selective in taking), but he rarely makes The stupid D zone mistakes that Matheson does.

 

[hab29RETIRED]

2 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

It’s really not that simple because the point can be made from either side.

 

There were indeed fans who criticized Price at times and I personally would argue against them because Price was one of the greatest goaltenders.

 

If we’re not going to be able to compare Montembeault to Price in terms of expectation and overall level (which I agree with) because the comparison is unjust, then we shouldn’t be able to compare Montembeault and Price in terms of the criticism each goalie faces.

 

Perhaps it is possible that Montembeault deserves more criticism than Price. 

 

Montembeault is a starting goalie in the NHL but the quality starter statement is arguable. Sometimes he is and sometimes he isn’t and while it has already been pointed out that we’re all human and every goalie is inconsistent at times, that’s what’s holding him back from being a top tier starter. 

 

Games played over past 5 years (24th)

 

Shutouts over last 5 years (tied 44th)

 

Goals against average (tied 83rd)

 

Save percentage (tied 71st)

 

Sure, the stats are not perfect and someone can break down why they aren’t accurate all they want. The sport is a team sport after all. However, the goalie is part of that team.

 

With Montembeault’s stats, how many goalies that he is surrounded by are starters, and how many are backups? It seems to me that he is surrounded by a lot of backups and 1b) names.

 

It is what it is. I personally can’t remember another starting goalie of ours that I criticized so this is new for me. He has played very well in April and has indeed shown that he is capable. I don’t agree with the evidence absolutely pointing him to being a quality NHL starter, but I do agree that goaltending overall seems to be getting worse and worse statistically year after year and that plays a role in my judgement if we are comparing to goaltending in general in the past. 

Is Monty and elite franchise starter - no. From current goalies, I’d say that is limited to Helleybucyk, Vasilevskiy, and Shesterkin. I don’t even include Bob the goalie in that group because you are never really sure what you are going to get. He gets paid like a franchise goalie and will probably end up in the HOF after the cup win, to accompany his Vezina wins, but he has been excellent, mediocre , good, bad, excellent, mediocre, good, Excellent at different stages. I don’t even see Binnington, as a franchise goalie despite his cup and allocates in 4 nations. I see Oettinher potentially becoming a franchise  goalie, and there may be others, but none that I think I have played enough seasons yet at a high level CONSISTENTLY to be able to say they are a franchise goalie (similar to price in his first 3-4 years). I don’t ever see Monty becoming a franchise goalie.

 

i do think I he is a legit starter - top 10-15 in the league. Which is not a bad thing. You don’t necessarily need a franchise goalie. So I don’t consider him the issue. We suck defensively. I’ve been saying all year we need a legit top pairing RHD and a 2nd line centre. If we improve our D, Monty’s stats will go up. He is not going to carry us ua into the finals like Price, or win 10 straight OT games like Roy, but if we continue to add more skill up front to give him goal support, and improve our D, he can be part of a winning team.

 

 No one is ever going to include him in the long line of Habs goalie greats from Plante-Dryden-Roy-Price, but the Hawks won 3 cups without a franchise goalie, Vegas won a cup without one. Pens won with different goalies - I never considered Fleury to be a franchise goalie- was very good, but he was not even close to the best in his era. 
 

I don’t think Monty is the problem right now and he may not be our #1 goalie in 2-3 years when we are hopefully a top team, but I do think he is and will be a legit top 15 starter.

 

 

[PMAC]

On 4/15/2025 at 10:27 PM, Canajun said:

Nice welcome there to a new contributor to this forum. I thought you said you never insult people?

This is a strange response given that the OP is clearly a troll and the argument does not make any sense --which is what Commandant pointed out. 

[Commandant]

21 minutes ago, PMAC said:

This is a strange response given that the OP is clearly a troll and the argument does not make any sense --which is what Commandant pointed out. 

 

Some people... like 2 in this thread... are more concerned with attacking me than actually talking hockey.  I had hoped it would be dealt with but apparently not.