Habs Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: There is a chance that Dach can recover his earlier form and be the 2C we need. It's not the most likely scenario, but it is possible. I think this is probably what happens to start the season with the limited sellers. Fast forward 2 months into the season there is going to be more sellers. Maybe that will open up the right 2 c that fits the model of Hughes and Gorton. Also trading away dach or new hook right now is a sell low. Maybe they have a good start and potentially one of them fills the 2 c hole or up there trade value enough to be an asset traded for a 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Id be intersested in him but trade cost and extension are of course key factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Eric Engels was talking about a different route for the off season seeing the there may not be the right fit for the team at center and Hughes isn’t going to patch. His plan had them trading for Jason Robertson out of Dallas robertson for pick 16 mailloux beck another pick or prospect and sign Brent burns to a 2 year deal. I think I would do the Robertson trade if we could get an extension and the deal wasn’t much more expensive than this. And he has a point on Burns too Would fill the hole Savard left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 28 minutes ago, Habs said: Eric Engels was talking about a different route for the off season seeing the there may not be the right fit for the team at center and Hughes isn’t going to patch. His plan had them trading for Jason Robertson out of Dallas robertson for pick 16 mailloux beck another pick or prospect and sign Brent burns to a 2 year deal. I think I would do the Robertson trade if we could get an extension and the deal wasn’t much more expensive than this. And he has a point on Burns too Would fill the hole Savard left. Burns is 40, not sure how much is left in the tank but for the right deal it might be worth a shot. Not sure who would play center for Robertson and Demidov? I would rather sign Granlund to a 3 year deal. Then use both 1st round picks and 2nd rounds pick plus a prospect if required to move up in the draft to get one of the best centers. Then in 3 years when Granlund is done, the pick from this year and/or Hage is ready to move into the 2c role. I have also always liked Bo Horvat but no idea if the Islanders are willing to move him or what it would cost. Probably a whole lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 45 minutes ago, Habs said: Eric Engels was talking about a different route for the off season seeing the there may not be the right fit for the team at center and Hughes isn’t going to patch. His plan had them trading for Jason Robertson out of Dallas robertson for pick 16 mailloux beck another pick or prospect and sign Brent burns to a 2 year deal. I think I would do the Robertson trade if we could get an extension and the deal wasn’t much more expensive than this. And he has a point on Burns too Would fill the hole Savard left. With the Stars trading Marchment, they are no longer in a cap crunch and the reason for trading Robertson has disappeared. So while I like him, I think the Stars are basically done with their issue and could buy out Dumba or trade Lyubushkin and have all the space they need. Burns is 40 and has showed clear signs of slowing down. He's more of an offensive guy than a defensive one and I'd be scared of him really falling off and have no interest in a 2 year deal. One year for cheap i might do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: And this is why his name is now out there as it's believed the two sides are not remotely close. AFP Analytics projects a seven-year extension at $8.46M per season and I don't think Calgary is coming in anywhere close to that. In the world where the 27/28 cap ceiling will be $113.5 that would probably be a fair contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 4 hours ago, GNick said: I would overpay in trade or UFA market for right center to play with Demidov. It will aid his development, be difference in couple 100 point seasons. AAV, term or both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Certainly Jamie Benn's contract of 9.5M coming off the books will help. Of course they may resign him but it will be for substantially less. They still have some work to do if they want to resign Granlund. Getting rid of Dumba or Lyubushkin will get them closer but if Granlund commands 7M/year then they still have some maneuvering to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 5 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Certainly Jamie Benn's contract of 9.5M coming off the books will help. Of course they may resign him but it will be for substantially less. They still have some work to do if they want to resign Granlund. Getting rid of Dumba or Lyubushkin will get them closer but if Granlund commands 7M/year then they still have some maneuvering to do. Rantanen is now on the books for full season and with his big raise and Wyatt Johnston got a huge raise too. 2.76 million in space with 18 guys under contract. Freidman has essentially said they arent trading Robertson but can't re-sign Granlund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 13 minutes ago, Commandant said: Rantanen is now on the books for full season and with his big raise and Wyatt Johnston got a huge raise too. 2.76 million in space with 18 guys under contract. Freidman has essentially said they arent trading Robertson but can't re-sign Granlund. I expect they would give away Dumba (or pay modestly to get rid of him) so as to not be restricted to minimum salary contracts to fill out the roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 18 minutes ago, Commandant said: Rantanen is now on the books for full season and with his big raise and Wyatt Johnston got a huge raise too. 2.76 million in space with 18 guys under contract. Freidman has essentially said they arent trading Robertson but can't re-sign Granlund. Yes, Rantanen and Johnston will eat up a chunk of the cap now, Granlund should be available. He will get paid well. Not even sure if Montreal is interested in Granlund or if Montreal interests him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Toews signed by the Jets to a one-year deal, $2M salary plus up to $5M in bonuses ($1.75M of that is based on playoff series wins). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Elias Pettersson. Skilled Centre, perfect style for Demidov. Make it Happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 He looked terrible last season.... its a huge risk with his contract and 45 points This is the type of move that can ruin the rebuild if it goes wrong. I'd honestly rather not make a move than take that risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 3 minutes ago, Commandant said: He looked terrible last season.... its a huge risk with his contract and 45 points This is the type of move that can ruin the rebuild if it goes wrong. I'd honestly rather not make a move than take that risk. Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 30 minutes ago, Commandant said: He looked terrible last season.... its a huge risk with his contract and 45 points This is the type of move that can ruin the rebuild if it goes wrong. I'd honestly rather not make a move than take that risk. Absolutely. It’s a high-risk, high-reward move - something I’d expect from a Buffalo, say. It’d be a reasonable gamble for them, but we seem to be on much more solid footing and don’t need an Hail Mary play. And Van is unlikely to retain salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 18 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Absolutely. It’s a high-risk, high-reward move - something I’d expect from a Buffalo, say. It’d be a reasonable gamble for them, but we seem to be on much more solid footing and don’t need an Hail Mary play. And Van is unlikely to retain salary. Yeah./ Buffalo basically has nothing to lose. The Habs, on the other hand, have made solid steps in their rebuild and risking a return to square one is not attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Commandant said: He looked terrible last season.... its a huge risk with his contract and 45 points This is the type of move that can ruin the rebuild if it goes wrong. I'd honestly rather not make a move than take that risk. Way too much drama in Vancouver with him and JT. Year previous he had 89 points in 82 games, 102 points in 80 games season before. He is an ELITE talent. There is not another 100 point player to add beside Demidov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, TheDriveFor25 said: Way too much drama in Vancouver with him and JT. Year previous he had 89 points in 82 games, 102 points in 80 games season before. He is an ELITE talent. There is not another 100 point player to add beside Demidov. I get it, there is no bigger ceiling play. If this works its a home run and you have an instant cup contender. If it doesn't work though, he's a Gomez level albatross on he franchise and can really damage what has been built by tying up cap space in an untradeable player. I understand those who see the upside and think ivs worth the risk. I totally get the argument. Its just not a move I'd be comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 My dream move would be tage thompson, but i doubt he's available. But thats the type of guy the second line needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNick Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 8 hours ago, TheDriveFor25 said: Elias Pettersson. Skilled Centre, perfect style for Demidov. Make it Happen. I wouldn't touch that. Has bad contract and lacks compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNick Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 10 hours ago, GHT120 said: AAV, term or both? I would offer big for Tavares. But doubt he will even look at it. Lots of good centers available though. Kadri be good second line center. Probably have to overpay but he be good with Demidov next two years. McLeod be good third line center. Peterka will likely get offer sheeted. Buffalo likely open to move him. It won't be cheap but a good move. He's big fast and 50 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 4 hours ago, GNick said: Lots of good centers available though. Kadri be good second line center. Probably have to overpay but he be good with Demidov next two years. McLeod be good third line center. Peterka will likely get offer sheeted. Buffalo likely open to move him. It won't be cheap but a good move. He's big fast and 50 points. There is no indication that Kadri is available. He wasn't available at the trade deadline and Calgary isn't selling. So he's not in play. McLeod is coming off a career year; was that a one-hit wonder? And Peterka isn't a centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 11 hours ago, TheDriveFor25 said: Way too much drama in Vancouver with him and JT. Year previous he had 89 points in 82 games, 102 points in 80 games season before. He is an ELITE talent. There is not another 100 point player to add beside Demidov. He has sucked since about January 2024. He sucked after JT was traded, and he sucked in the Four Nations when JT was not on his team. It's those last facts that really give me pause. In addition, there are red flags. He has complained about injuries that Tocchet believed a player should play through, and the team has expressed concerns about his practice and offseason habits. Analyses have documented a serious decline in the number of speed-bursts in his game. Possibly connected to the tendonitis in the knee he's whined about. Believe me, I get it: he bounces back and presto, you have a tremendous, top-10 NHL C. But 11.6 for seven more years for a player who has sucked for a season and a half, and who has all kinds of red flags, is very high-risk. Our rebuild isn't perfect; we have some organizational holes; but I'm not sure we're in the position where we need to take that big a risk. I'm trying to think...maybe if we shipped back some bad contracts to Van in return? But Gallagher and Anderson are off the books in couple of seasons, and frankly both of those guys brings way more jam and overall value than Pettersson has done since his game collapsed. So even on that basis, I'm not sure I'd do the deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 6 hours ago, GNick said: I would offer big for Tavares. Again ... AAV, term or both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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