Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[GHT120]

47 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

I'm not sure why anyone would think he could come in and be the 2C when he lost his spot on the Lightning's roster.

Because ClickBait30 is clickbait

[GHT120]

CHUCKLE OF THE DAY
 

ClickBait30 suggesting the Oilers may go after Montembeault ... Matt Savioe (5'10", 179 lb, RH-C, 20gm/2g/3a with Edmonton this season) is untouchable (🙄) but they would offer of Issac Howard (5'10", 180 lbs, LW, 17gm/2g/1a this season, then sent to AHL), Beau Akey (Started season with AHL Bakersfield, sent to ECHL Fort Wayne after 1 game) + 2nd rounder ... but Hughes will "hold out" for a 2027 or 2028 first rounder

[dlbalr]

Regarding Akey, he was hurt to start the season, then sent to the ECHL for a week to get into playing shape when he was cleared to return.  He was then recalled yesterday for his season debut so whoever wrote that didn't do their homework.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Laine for Stamkos

 

Nashville is free of related cap hit next season

 

Montreal risks two more seasons of Stamkos contract which could be a problem if Stamkos is truly washed up - contract is around 8 million
 

It’s possible that Stamkos is the heavy shot that the second line needs - probably on the wing. 
 

Worth the risk?

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

13 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Laine for Stamkos

 

Nashville is free of related cap hit next season

 

Montreal risks two more seasons of Stamkos contract which could be a problem if Stamkos is truly washed up - contract is around 8 million
 

It’s possible that Stamkos is the heavy shot that the second line needs - probably on the wing. 
 

Worth the risk?

 

It’s an intriguing idea BUT: Stamkos has 5 points in 20 games.

 

Five.

 

That is alarming, and you’d need to scout him very, very carefully to try to understand if there is any explanation other than his aging out for those appalling results. 

 

Too high risk for my blood.

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

31 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

It’s an intriguing idea BUT: Stamkos has 5 points in 20 games.

 

Five.

 

That is alarming, and you’d need to scout him very, very carefully to try to understand if there is any explanation other than his aging out for those appalling results. 

 

Too high risk for my blood.

 

Valid concerns for certain

 

Nashville has been a disaster for a while now, dead last in their conference. 
 

Is Stamkos washed up or is he a product  of a crap team?

 

IDK

[hab29RETIRED]

On 11/21/2025 at 8:31 AM, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Laine for Stamkos

 

Nashville is free of related cap hit next season

 

Montreal risks two more seasons of Stamkos contract which could be a problem if Stamkos is truly washed up - contract is around 8 million
 

It’s possible that Stamkos is the heavy shot that the second line needs - probably on the wing. 
 

Worth the risk?

Stamkos has been a shell of himself and really hasn’t been an effective centre for a while - was mainly  on the wing in Tampa. I sure the hell don’t want his cap hit for two more years. Only way I’d risk taking Stamkos was if Nashville was willing to eat 40-50% - which wouldn’t happen without us adding a top prospect.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

On 11/21/2025 at 8:31 AM, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Laine for Stamkos

 

Nashville is free of related cap hit next season

 

Montreal risks two more seasons of Stamkos contract which could be a problem if Stamkos is truly washed up - contract is around 8 million
 

It’s possible that Stamkos is the heavy shot that the second line needs - probably on the wing. 
 

Worth the risk?

 

Nope, I would rather be the team free of an 8 million dollar cap hit next season.  Perhaps Tampa knew what they were doing when they didn't resign him. 

[hab29RETIRED]

2 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

Nope, I would rather be the team free of an 8 million dollar cap hit next season.  Perhaps Tampa knew what they were doing when they didn't resign him. 

100%
we have a long history of signing or trading for has beens. I don’t see Stamkos as a difference maker anymore. He might be a better fit for a 2nd line winger (or potentially playing on the first line if Slafkovsky stays with Demidov). But not at $8m for two more years. We need to keep that room for a legit centre. 
next year Laine’s cap room gets eaten up by Hutson’s extension, the following year, we have to sign Demidov.

[PMAC]

Stamkos would be fine with the right deal. I could see Hughes doing it with some salary retention from Nashville or an additional asset coming with him. 

[illWill]

To Nashville:

 

Jayden Struble

Oliver Kapanen

2026 1st round pick

 

 

To Montreal:

 

Ryan O'Reilly

Steven Stamkos

 

 

 

Perhaps taking Stamkos at his 100% cap hit will offset their demands for O'Reilly. I don't even really love the deal but it would certainly help out in the short term.

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

3 hours ago, illWill said:

To Nashville:

 

Jayden Struble

Oliver Kapanen

2026 1st round pick

 

 

To Montreal:

 

Ryan O'Reilly

Steven Stamkos

 

 

 

Perhaps taking Stamkos at his 100% cap hit will offset their demands for O'Reilly. I don't even really love the deal but it would certainly help out in the short term.

 

I wonder how much negative value Stamkos has with Nashville. His age, his poor production, his remaining contract are all negative. 
 

With that in mind maybe there is an opportunity here for a lowball offer

 

Struble

Laine

Second round pick

 

Stamkos

O Reilly

 

?

[Prime Minister Koivu]

1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I wonder how much negative value Stamkos has with Nashville. His age, his poor production, his remaining contract are all negative. 
 

With that in mind maybe there is an opportunity here for a lowball offer

 

Struble

Laine

Second round pick

 

Stamkos

O Reilly

 

?

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky 

Stamkos - Kapanen - Demidov

Anderson - O Reilly - Gallagher

Texier - Evans - Bolduc

 

On paper that looks pretty good

[tomh009]

Stamkos has three years left at $8M and his production has dropped to 4g+1a in 22 games in spite of 17:26 TOI.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

12 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

Stamkos has three years left at $8M and his production has dropped to 4g+1a in 22 games in spite of 17:26 TOI.

I want to believe that Nashville struggling so bad along with their style of play is partially responsible. 
 

It would be a large gamble for sure because perhaps Stamkos is just washed up due to age

[GHT120]

44 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I want to believe that Nashville struggling so bad along with their style of play is partially responsible. 
 

It would be a large gamble for sure because perhaps Stamkos is just washed up due to age

 

THAT is what pro scouts are for.

[dlbalr]

7 hours ago, illWill said:

To Nashville:

 

Jayden Struble

Oliver Kapanen

2026 1st round pick

 

 

To Montreal:

 

Ryan O'Reilly

Steven Stamkos

 

Perhaps taking Stamkos at his 100% cap hit will offset their demands for O'Reilly. I don't even really love the deal but it would certainly help out in the short term.

 

Montreal is adding $13 million in salary here and subtracting less than $2.5 million.  There's no way they could do this.

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I want to believe that Nashville struggling so bad along with their style of play is partially responsible. 
 

It would be a large gamble for sure because perhaps Stamkos is just washed up due to age

 

Ive heard it suggested (by ray ferraro) that the issue here is Stamkos has lost a step and so much of what made him a great player was his speed.  You take away one of his two top assets (the other being his shot) and hes just declining faster.

 

Compare this to a guy like Corey Perry who is able to be more effective for longer (perry is 4 years older than Stamkos) and its cause his game was never predicated on speed.  He is still effective as he doesnt need speed to play his style.

[tomh009]

37 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Ive heard it suggested (by ray ferraro) that the issue here is Stamkos has lost a step and so much of what made him a great player was his speed.  You take away one of his two top assets (the other being his shot) and hes just declining faster.

Stamkos:

2022-23: 36.26 km/h max skating speed

2023-24: 36.07

2024-25: 36.14 (am ignoring one outlier data point as it seems unrealistic)

2025-26: 35.20

 

His hardest shots have similarly dropped from 158-159 km/h to about 147.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

 

Ive heard it suggested (by ray ferraro) that the issue here is Stamkos has lost a step and so much of what made him a great player was his speed.  You take away one of his two top assets (the other being his shot) and hes just declining faster.

 

Compare this to a guy like Corey Perry who is able to be more effective for longer (perry is 4 years older than Stamkos) and its cause his game was never predicated on speed.  He is still effective as he doesnt need speed to play his style.

 

26 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

Stamkos:

2022-23: 36.26 km/h max skating speed

2023-24: 36.07

2024-25: 36.14 (am ignoring one outlier data point as it seems unrealistic)

2025-26: 35.20

 

His hardest shots have similarly dropped from 158-159 km/h to about 147.

Well there you go. 
 

Stamkos has simply gotten older and all the advantages he once had have gone. 
 

Not a player we want - O Reilly as well, he is too old for us

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

2 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

Ive heard it suggested (by ray ferraro) that the issue here is Stamkos has lost a step and so much of what made him a great player was his speed.  You take away one of his two top assets (the other being his shot) and hes just declining faster.

 

Compare this to a guy like Corey Perry who is able to be more effective for longer (perry is 4 years older than Stamkos) and its cause his game was never predicated on speed.  He is still effective as he doesnt need speed to play his style.

 

Exactly, Perry might be able to play until he is 45.  OK, maybe 42.  The ship has sailed on Stamkos. 

[PMAC]

On 11/26/2025 at 12:13 PM, illWill said:

To Nashville:

 

Jayden Struble

Oliver Kapanen

2026 1st round pick

 

 

To Montreal:

 

Ryan O'Reilly

Steven Stamkos

 

 

 

Perhaps taking Stamkos at his 100% cap hit will offset their demands for O'Reilly. I don't even really love the deal but it would certainly help out in the short term.

 

That is such a terrible deal on so many levels. Instead of one overpriced, declining vets you propose adding two?

 

[Commandant]

48 minutes ago, PMAC said:

That is such a terrible deal on so many levels. Instead of one overpriced, declining vets you propose adding two?

 

 

And at the cost of our rookie who is currently the 2C and producing, a young defenceman with an admittedly low ceiling but has the floor of an NHLer, and a first round pick.  

 

Sounds mad.

[illWill]

2 hours ago, PMAC said:

That is such a terrible deal on so many levels. Instead of one overpriced, declining vets you propose adding two?

 

 

Ryan O'Reilly at 4.5 million until the end of next year, who would immediately slot into our 2C position as a joke is overpriced? 

[illWill]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

 

And at the cost of our rookie who is currently the 2C and producing, a young defenceman with an admittedly low ceiling but has the floor of an NHLer, and a first round pick.  

 

Sounds mad.

 

Just because we have zero depth at center doesn't mean someone is a 2C. ROR certainly has value, let's hear your proposal for him that works for both sides.