THE Bobby Orr
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
Didnt you start a thread saying you were "tired" of him?
yup i'm tired of him...when i started that thread i also suggested (somewhere along the line) that he be moved to 3rd line C and the suggestion was (to put it mildly) scoffed at...Well here we are in game two of the playoffs... and he is now on the 4th line as a winger...this tells me he is number 6C on depth chart behind, Danault,, Plex, Shaw, Ott and Mitchell...ur boy is doing just great. soon he will play himself right out of the lineup...you really haven't been reading my comments bro...i think the "experiments" with this player should stop. put him on the 2nd- or - 3rd line as winger and let him shoot 7+times a game..
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the dream team...
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3 minutes ago, Toronthab said:
I think they discovered girls.
LOL it was puppy love
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7 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I don't buy into giving him grunts so that he will shoot more. Do you seriously think any of them can set chucky up?? Even if he is on the zone, who are the rangers going to converge on, the guy who can actually do something with the puck, or useless washes out grunts that they couldn't do anything with the puck, even if they had it? If he wants chucky to shoot more, he should be playing with someone who can actually set him up. Thanks to the bang up job that MB has done improving the top 6, the only real option is lekonan. Throw in gally to go after rebounds and you actually have a dangerous line.
...except to MB these are not useless washed up grunts...they are big power forwards with experience and (wait for it...) character... So this is how it plays out in MB 's head...if Galy can't play with these big, experienced, character guys...then...something is wrong with him (and not them).
incidently Don's Cherry is wet.. Leafs are up 2-1
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16 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Chucks was rolling until he got hurt. He's been messed coming back from the injury - which by the looks of it he came back too early, as well as from confidence issues that can be rooted in the way dumb and dumber handled him, with their crap about "it's a process" and "learning to play the right way". Same crap as subban went through.
they needed and even more so now, need to let him play his game. Concentrate on doing what he does well - score and generate offence. Once he starts producing and he's gotten his confidence back, ease him into refining the defensive side of his game. That's what rhey should have done when he first came up, but dumb and dumber fxcked up kicking the gift horse of coming in with a top 3 pick, by doing the best they can to ruin the kid.
julien is a MORON for having him on the 4th line. I think there are only two other coaches I can think of, that would put chucky on the 4th line on a goal starved lineup, given the alternatives (le genius and mike milbury).
Given the way he's been handled it's no wonder he is playing like crap.
i think we are going to have galchenyuk moved for a good grinding winger that MB seems to love so much.
Agreed...100% with you on the negative role dumb and dumber played in developing this top (top, top) prospect ....but, nevertheless, here we are.
I don't profess to understand CJs approach, other than (as dbair suggested), its not about being on the 4th line. but rather a tactical move in order to give Galy the opportunity to shoot...his linemate are supposed to be SETTING HIM UP....not the other way around. Give CJ the benefit of the doubt, the kid needs to shoot 5+ times a night...even if he doesn't score - it doesn't matter..just shoot the puck. This message has to (MUST) be part of the daily discussions and drilled into him AND his line mates over and over again..i don't think we are going to see him at C (hope i am wrong) so let;s hope this "strategy"; read - next experiment, works otherwise, even if we manage to get past the Rangers, we won't get very far...
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7 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
That's the thing. Forget passing - Galchenyuk needs to learn to be a lot more assertive with his shot. He has a very good one but is terrified to use it a lot of the time it seems (he went from 2.45 shots per game to 1.70 this season, a rate that was close to his rookie season). Where he is, the Habs are asking him to be the offensive threat which means he needs to be the trigger guy on that line with Ott/Martinsen doing the dirty work and freeing up space for him.
To be honest, I think that's part of the reason he is where he is. When he's with Pacioretty and Radulov, he defers a lot to them and he's too talented a player to do so on a regular basis. That crutch isn't there on the fourth line - he needs to be more assertive because there aren't really other options to pass to. If he starts to get more aggressive looking for his offence, not only would that be a good thing (better he shoots than Ott/Martinsen) but it also may help him find some confidence and rhythm to his game. And when that happens, we've all seen what he can do. (I'm not sure the plan will work but it wouldn't surprise me if this is at least part of the logic in having him on the fourth line.)
this is exactly what Pierre Gauthier said earlier today...basically he said that CJ is a very savvy coach and there are "structures" the opposite side winger and center can use, which would allow Galchenyuk to get some space and time --- giving him the opportunity to shoot the puck more. hopefully they (as a line) can get it straight...ppl complaining that he has no one to pass to are missing the point of this exercise completely !!!!
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2 minutes ago, Stogey24 said:
I'm sorry, but do you not realize we didn't score a ####ing goal last night?
Maybe your best point per game player shouldn't be on a line with barely nhl calibre players. Just a thought
Therrien 2.0. Better coach. Same mentality.
i know...but by now we should all know this discussion is like...beating a dead horse.
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Just now, DON said:
And my point was that, who wouldn't be patient with an offensive superstar like Kane (aside from Mike Milbury maybe).. which Galchenyuk isn't. Pacioretty is the most offensively gifted player on the Habs, not Galchenyuk, isn't he?
You must agree that Galchenyuk is a defensive liability and Julien is a defense first coach. So, that may be as large as it gets.
Move to the head of the class...
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As a Montrealer - 690 AM radio is always on in my car (specifically this time of year)...Pierre Gauthier, Mitch Melnick and the other talking heads are baffled by the Galchenyuk situation...Pat Hickey is the only so called expert who believes CJ is justified in his decision to play him as a 4th line winger...the rest are speculating that he is in the doghouse; or something along those lines. Pierre did mention that (and i am paraphrasing) maybe he is not going to live up to the expectations placed on him...which is what i have been saying now since he came back from his injury. We have a hole at center ....so its normal for us to want a top draft pick to to fill it. but why? If we had a hole on the W, we wouldn't be arguing about Chucky being moved to W, would we? MB needs to land a top line C ...nothing's changed in that respect. And chuck needs to shoot the puck 7-9 times a game from the top of the circle - some will be blocked, some will miss the net...and some will go in...
Also i don't think we are all that strong on the W. So while we have a problem at C;- Surely we could use a sniper like Chucky on the wing... ??
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if you are CJ, Danault is worth his weight in gold. notwithstanding the bad call by refs, he is involved in all aspects of C responsibilities...he is not a #1C but at least he gives 110% every shift...Galchenyuk looks like a C that has never played that position before...you do realize on the C depth chart #27 is behind Danault, Plex, Shaw, Ott, and Mitchell..he is currently our #6 C... when will this board get it...put him on the top line as a winger and let him shoot...
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its not gonna happen...Chuck will not be inserted in the top line as a center...i'm just wondering why he is playing as a 4th line winger.?..surely he can be moved to the 3rd or 2nd line as a winger...and let's not forget the PP. Chucky on the 1st line PP will open up shooting lanes for Weber etal... it just seems obvious...
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4 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
OK, let's give up on our 30-goal-scoring 3rd overall pick because he's not a 'complete' player.
its like nobody reads the responses...nobody is saying "let's give up on him"...
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1 minute ago, Neech said:
Chucky played with zero confidence yesterday, and it's hard to picture him regaining it any time soon. Even when he was playing well we didn't have the depth at C of a true contender, but with him as a fourth line wing it's just laughable.
Radulov was pretty useless as well, and Gally was trying to do too much. But even with an awful performance, it was a very tight game. The downside - the Rangers had the better chances with a slew of defensive gaffes, mostly from the bottom pairing. This has been a problem for us for so long that it's got to be a part of the team identity. Hard to go too far in the playoffs if you struggle to score AND you consistently turn the puck over in the defensive zone.
nestor needs to sit. Beaulieu CANNOT play any worse than he did last night..so expect a better game from him.
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10 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Your reading of the Galy disaster may be 100% accurate. The trouble is, he is absolutely a key element of the Bergevin rebuild, just as Price and Patches were indispensable components of the Gainey rebuild. If he is not a legitimate top-line NHLer, and preferably a C, then we have to accept the fact that the current core will never be heavy-duty contenders. And if that is indeed correct, then radical surgery is needed on the lineup. Galy HAS to succeed, or else Bergevin has to try a bold, Hail Mary-type managerial play to make this team a contender. What that could be, I have no idea.
I'd also add that if the only players your organization can properly develop and retain are guys like Gally and Lehkonen - who arrive as fully marture 200-foot players - you're unlikely ever to win anything. Look at Chicago riding out Kane's many 'issues.'
hey listen, i'm not saying we give up on Galy...no way. I'm saying enough with the "yo-yo" approach. if he turns out to be a Kessel-type player, so be it !!! I think this is the problem right now...we are trying to fit him into a player-type he simply can't play up to. (I don't know why he was so successful in juniors - maybe he had great wingers playing with him??) - one thing for sure this kid can score!! if we are going to keep experimenting with him then why not put him on top line as a WINGER?!?....or if that is too radical for CJ, put him on the 2nd line winger...AND 1st line PP...We need goals desperately...
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10 minutes ago, DON said:Julien just asked about Galchenyuk at press conference, he said he has had talks with him, has been honest with him and ended their meetings on a positive note.
would love to have heard that conversation...glad to hear it ended on a positive...
Chucky: "Are you SURE i'm a fourth line winger?"
CJ: "Positive"
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trying to find a positive...Maybe its a good thing we lost the first game? most on this board agree it's going to be a long series so, while it's a shame we lost the first game, we were going to lose a few anyway. This loss could work in our favor - a rude awaking perhaps (just saying).
I find it oddly interesting that suddenly ppl on this board are saying AV is a better coach than CJ... why? because of a one goal loss? or is it because CJ has King playing on the 3rd line? King is playing because MB brought him in for his size AND playoff experience. Period. (it's not even CJ's decision).
As for Galchenyuk...this kid has been a "petri dish" experiment for 4 years now...its not CJ that started this cluster#### - it was MT and MB. By now this young man should be at least a #2C on this team (a team that for 4+ years now has had no talent down the middle...why were players like DD and Eller ahead of him!?!) instead, #27 is struggling on a fourth line and somehow this is CJs fault??!? If we tried to look at Galchenyuk through the coach's lens (instead of a fans rose-coloured glasses), we will see a player who does more things wrong than right. Maybe just maybe, Chucky is not as coachable as we think he is? Maybe he doesn't listen to his coaches? Maybe he just "shows up" at practices and goes through the motions? Backchecking can be taught - but his backchecking is piss poor...why? taking face-offs can be taught - but he's not good in the face-off circle...why? Being responsible without the puck can be taught - but he looks lost out there when he doesn't have the puck...why? Fly- byes can be stopped - but he is the team's fly-by expert...why? oh yeah i forgot..he's 23 - well then, maybe its time this very young talent spends time on a 3rd or 4th line while he learns to play the game. Btw Arturi is 21 and is a more complete player BUT Arturi is not going through what Chucky has gone through. As far as i am concerned the Habs "player development" team have botched this player's progression. He has not only moved back and forth (C to W and back) BUT up and down (top line to 4th line)...a proverbial "yo-yo". when was the last time we saw something like this with such a high draft choice??
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4 minutes ago, nihilz said:
As much as it hurts to admit it. Tomas Plekanec is still this teams best all around center. He doesn't have Danault's speed and tenacity, but he has a poise and experience Danault lacks. Plek and Shaw had some nice chemistry down the stretch. Let Danult dig for Radulov and have Lehkonen shoot everything he touches. Get chucky back at center and have Byron and Gally Buzzing around letting Alex find the soft area's for one timers. Right now, I'd ride those three second lines. The 3 guns seperated and chemistry how you see fit. Regardless they need an offensive threat on the ice every shift. The chances are going to be slim and margins tight. They're no Malkin Crosby & Kessel, but it has to be the same philosophy.
makes sense but i don't see it happening; CJ will not break up the 1st line.
if we are going to turn the blender on then:
Max Danault Radu
Arturi Plex Gally
Byron Shaw Chucky
Marty Mitchell Flynn
On D - Nesty should sit....i cannot imagine Beaulieu will play any worse than he did tonight
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9 minutes ago, nihilz said:
I feel like this has to happen
Pax Plek Shaw
Lehk Danault Radu
Byron Chucky Gally
Martinsen Ott Mitchell
Marky Weber
Emelin Petry
Davidson Benn
Having Pacioretty Radulov and Galchenyuk on 3 separate lines. Rolling three 2nd lines essentially.
Beaulieu & Nesterov need to sit and watch. The game was too fast for them. King needs to be starved for minutes. If he doesn't get hungry. Let him sit his way to a pto or europe next July. Martinsen is 200% more effective than King is. Get Mitchell in and have a RH faceoff option.
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same old... same old
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Lundqvist is walking on water
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There is something about this Rangers team that just gets under my skin...and it isn't just Kreider...
to be honest, i am not even looking forward to this series. I can't put my finger on it but its an "ugly" feeling. I hate the Bruins but i know why, With the Rangers i don;t have the same hatred as i do for the Bruins; its closer to how i feel about the leafs. its just weird. i'm rambling lol. Habs in six...
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36 minutes ago, DON said:
Eeyore and Chicken Little were always quite concerned as well.
Cheer up sir, we can worry about stuff like that in a few months and for now we should all just pull for this 2nd rate team to go deep!
Goal number 1 is winning the Cup . Our favorite team is in the playoffs !!!! check!!! I personally am extremely happy as there were moments when it wasn't a sure bet.
IMO saying we are a 2nd rate team is a bit harsh though.
We won the division - by clearly being the best team in our division.
We are healthy going in ...
we have a SC winning coach behind the bench....
we have arguably the best goalie in the world... we have enough going to be considered a1st rate team...
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hopefully he will be part of 1st or 2nd line PP...we have to have the threat of his shot on the PP; just being on the ice will open up shooting lanes.
Fourth line winger? The message is: there is room for improvement in all areas of his game.
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5 minutes ago, Helmethead said:
To go to game 3 or not to go?
Restaurant is closed on Easter Sunday. Might be a good time to take my daughter to her first habs game (she's 8).
What do you think?
Are you kidding?? You have to take her....
i must warn you though; i took my daughter to her first game around that age ...and she wanted to leave after the 2nd period. Still, it continues to be a good memory for both of us...
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