THE Bobby Orr
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2 minutes ago, KoRP said:
One thing I know is that this team is as good as it's been in a playoff style game, as it's been in a long, long time. Elite goalie, great first D pairing, arguably a bit more talent up front(Radulov, Lehkonen, but minus Plek), speed, some grit, size and depth at forward and defense, and last but not least, a decent coach, who is a proven winner.
Oh, another thing I know is, optimism isn't all that bad...in fact, it's a nice change from the constant degradation trip on the forum.
Elite goalie, elite goalie, elite goalie, I keep saying it and I get hopeful ...I believe we have a shot, at least better than in recent memory.
true dat^...especially happy about CJ
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1 hour ago, illWill said:
Since Bergevin took over, the Habs have finished 1st, 3rd, 1st, 6th, and likely 1st in their division. If that's not a sustained period of time of contention I don't know what is. I'd lump them in with San Jose, St. Louis, Washington, New York, Tampa, Anaheim and Nashville in being a team that has a shot each year but have yet to get over the hump in that period.
is this a post for MB? or against him? you know what's sad...? it doesn't matter
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5 minutes ago, Stogey24 said:
He'll be a centre at some point.
Im just sooooo tired of this^ i want us to win a cup...
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1 hour ago, Stogey24 said:
No, I agree with you about the motivation. That's not how it works.
I'm a pretty negative guy on here, but I just want a team that brings it nightly.
I personally don't even think this team is that good. I find it highly unlikely that they make it past the first round. Just my opinion though.
the good news is that if, as you say we do not do well in the playoffs and/or get eliminated in the first round, this team will have no choice but to make significant changes during the off-season. Price wants a SC; he won't re-sign with this team once his contract is up if improvements aren't made. I am miffed by the addition of King, Ott, etc...makes absolutely no sense. Why we have Danault (God bless him) as a #1 C is beyond the pale...i get that it's not easy to land a center, and i'm sure MB is doing his best...but maybe his best is not good enough.
Also the radio talk shows here in Montreal (both french and english radio) are starting to talk s-hit about #27. this is bad bad bad bad...i personally have had enough of him at C; but to suggest he is trade bait is just wrong...we lose a potential 30 goal scorer on a team that needs scoring. But this is what happens when you keep moving a player back and forth . Did you hear the game announcers yesterday re. Chucky "trying to put a square peg in a round hole.." blah blah...well guess what? they are right.
and from the players perspective it's got to be playing with his head.
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1 minute ago, Stogey24 said:
Plekanec is not looking better. He's absolutely invisible. Made a decent pass last night, that was it.
I don't know how many times last year I said this guy is falling off, yet people were still saying looking at his numbers. Now what?
He sucks, plain and simple. His defensive game is nowhere near where it used to be either. If Vegas doesn't take him, we're stuck with another boat anchor contract.
ok...maybe it's his linemates then... while you are right that he has been pretty much invisible, lately he seems to make an apperance now and then. but to suggest that the team is not motivated to play against lesser teams is just silly. i am more likely to believe that lesser teams are motivated to play against us..
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1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
You know, there's another way of looking at this. The Habs seem to excel in games that really matter. They handled the Rags a few weeks back, they've dominated the last three games against the Sens. Then they fall asleep for 'nothing' games against the Canes, say.
We can see this as a worrisome sign of a team that can't be trusted to come to play every night. But we could also see it as a sign of a team that is completely focused on the playoffs - basically bored and unmotivated by dreary games against dreary teams as it marks time until the real battle begins. If that's right, then this erraticism whereby they fail to bring their 'A' game against the Carolinas of the world could, perversely, be a good sign, showing a team that is husbanding its energies and has its priorities straight, not very interested in regular season success as an end in itself, because the playoffs are all that count.
this is funny...aaah no. that's not how it works. An entire team does not 'subconsciously" decide not to play against a lesser opponent. You're clutching at straws brother.
IMO, i think the lines are starting to gel...Plex is looking better, Shaw is playing much better than he did earlier in the season (he seems to be a better player under CJ), the top line is better with Danault at C (sad but true)...hopefully the lines continue to gel and solidify come playoff time..
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Just now, Trizzak said:
God I hope so.
If they take 6 points (and give up 1) against a team below them in the standings but still end up losing 1st in the division, I won't be going into the playoffs with much optimism.
Also, upon trying to figure out how to properly word the above sentence, I just need to mention how ######ing stupid the lose point is.
what???
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1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
Patrick Traverse
Brett Clarke
Brad Brown
Scott Lachance
Christian Laflamme
Paul Mara
Janne Niniima
Ryan O'byrne
Peter Popovich
Barry Richter
Stephane Robidas
Jarred Tinordi
Mike Weaver
Igor Ulanov
David Wilkie
Murray Baron
Victor Bartley
Jassen Cullimore
A few defenseman currently in the press box and in the minors.
LMAO...ok there sure are some stinkers in that bunch...but few (if any??) were considered top 2 / top 4 D-men.
I sometimes wonder if Emelin knows what the score is, how much time is left on the clock, what team he is playing, what month it is? which side is left vs which side is right? Hockey IQ ??
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19 minutes ago, habscout said:
Nice scoring chance by Lehkkonen there. Kid has game. I can't wait to see him develop over the new few seasons.
let's give the coaches (and management) credit for managing this young man...he'll be top six soon.
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3-1 leads --- gotta love 'em, gotta hate 'em...
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Price used his head to steer the puck to his d-man...i don't think i have ever seen that before
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okay...is Emelin the worst D in the history of the world? How about in Canadiens history?
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6 minutes ago, DON said:
Which Pierre?
Anyways, I think Galchenyuk will sign a nice big contract with Habs this summer and be going nowhere.
Pierre McGuire...
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4 minutes ago, KoRP said:
*Yawn*
LOL...
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2 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said:
instead of being content with Philip Danault and Andrew Shaw as your top six centres one week before the playoffs!
How do you think coach Julien feels?!? What a f-ucking mess!! MB should be traded.
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Just now, Machine of Loving Grace said:
You don't win playoff games without scoring. Subban is top 3 (arguably the very best) offensive defenceman in the NHL for the playoffs. He has the highest PPG in for defenceman in the past five playoffs. Weber is nowhere near him for that, and his last playoff performance was one of the most embarrassing for any top defenceman.
I agree Weber isn't the problem. That was the entire point of my post! The problem wasn't Subban either. The problem is no top four LD, temporary RW solutions and only one suitable top six centre. None of these issues were fixed. The Lars Eller issue was fixed. The P.K. Subban issue (?) was fixed. Bergevin has acquired tons of sandpaper. He has had three issues to fix since he came in. None of them have been addressed. Instead, it was more important to trade two second round picks for a third line grinder with a good playoff reputation.
Want to fix the temporary RW situation? Re-sign Radulov.
Want to fix the top four LD situation? Bite the bullet and trade for a guy.
Want to fix the top six centre depth situation? Stop relying on bandages and go get a guy.
I'm not asking for a lot here. Drop some picks, use some prospects, and make the team an actual Cup contender instead of being content with Philip Danault and Andrew Shaw as your top six centres one week before the playoffs!
couldn't agree more...we may lose Beauleau and McCarron (and more..) but DO IT already
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1 minute ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Galchenyuk is certainly a tradeable asset. I can see them trading him for a less productive player offensively who is better away from the puck. Such a trade would not improve our team, however, because it would strengthen us in one area (defensive play from C) while weakening us in another (offence), while continuing to leave us in a position where we're lamentably short of talent at C.
Equally likely is a trade that brings back a comparably productive C who is defensively superior, but a lot older (and more expensive). MB might well do this, since he is already 'all in' for winning the Cup within about a three year window, given Weber's age. And given that this year's team is probably a long-shot to win, he may be starting to get desperate.
The only trade we *should* be making would be of the first variety - for a defensively superior C with less offensive upside - that ALSO included a top-4 puck-moving defenceman. Such a trade would be a long shot for sure, but perhaps not impossible.
Given that MB's only blockbuster trade so far was a dumb-ass move that shortened our Cup window without improving the team overall, I'm not optimistic. But then again, maybe he is due for a home run,
^that...but does he need to trade Chucky to get what we need?
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2 hours ago, DON said:
Rumours? Havent heard that.
But hey, many keep bitching about bargain bin Bergevin and all his bottom six deals. So another big trade is what some would love to see it seems, so that same group can then complain about that trade.
Come on down Matt Duchene...
im serious Don...they did a whole 5 minute segment (690 AM) on trading him this summer...even Pierre chimed in...
I think after four years and two coaches its inevitable that trade rumours aregoing to start...but i think this kid can be a 25-30 goal scorer on the wing. I watched the Penguins Islanders game and Kessel was a beast. Potentially what #27 can become..
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On D: Weber isn't the problem (he's the solution)...Come playoffs - you want Weber on your team.
Emelin is the problem (no one to pair him with)...
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12 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I agree with that. For God's sake, he's one of the only D-men who can both move the puck and make creative offensive plays. (I think he is more dynamic at the latter than Petry, who can move the puck but doesn't show much pizazz once he crosses the blueline). Those virtues, at least, suggest a guy who should be on the PP.
In terms of Galchenyuk, I would have no problem with (say) him and Duschene as our 1-2 down the middle, and it wouldn't matter to me which guy is classified as the "#1 C." But what I find baffling is people who seem to have a problem with Galy being used as a C right now, on a team that has absolutely zero legitimate top-6 C other than him. Even if we go out and get Joe Thornton, moving Galy to the wing would leave us with Danault or Shaw as the #2 guy - a bit of a joke, really. So I just can't see the point of banging our heads against the wall crying that Galchenyuk is "not a centre" when there is basically no realistic scenario where moving him to wing does NOT leave a sizeable organizational hole at C.
the "people" you are referring to is Claude Julien and Kirk Muller (not to mention MB)
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11 hours ago, DON said:
You don't think 1 game on the wing and 1 goal is a sign that the kid will get his goals no matter where he plays, put Pacioretty at centre and no doubt he will score as a centre.
Not sure why 30g from the wing is so different than 30 from centre?
we all agree on one thing the kid can score.
The rumours are already starting re. Galchenyuk being traded this summer. That would be a mistake...but hey, if PK can be traded anything is possible
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12 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
He needs to play centre for at LEAST a FULL year, before we give up on him as a centre. We need to live with the mistakes we should have been living with three years ago. And yes that was another one of le genius's stupid gifts that is hurting us even when his fat ass is gone.
Sure, but not as our #1C... MB needs to get a top line center
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40 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
For what it's worth, Knuckles Nilan has been extremely vocal in claiming that Galchenyuk ASKED to play wing when he first arrived and explicitly did not want to play C. So it may not be entirely Therrien's fault that he didn't.
Ya i know...Nilan makes #27 out to be a bit of a diva ("but coach its too HARD to play center") which I don't think he is. I think its obvious Nilan is not a fan of Chucky's...he has also mentioned #27's problems with face-offs, fly-byes, bad practice habits, etc...
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I know there are a lot of ppl here who have a ____-on for Chucky. And i get it...and i also get the subtle hate that's directed to THE Bobby Orr....but this kid is a poster child for how an organization potentially effed-up a young player. He should have been playing C from the get go - 4 years ago. Instead MT and MB decided it was better a) flip-flopping him from W to C, b) playing him with players he had no business playing with, c) giving him top line responsibilities, and then moving him down to 3rd line...d) on and on. Imagine if they did that to Max when he first came in? Or Gally? Thank God this kid has very good skills and an obvious belief in himself...I like him a lot...just not as a #1 C.
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saying that the top line is better with Danault at C is not heaping praise on Danault ...and "measuring" how much better they are is not easy to explain. Commandant goes by the numbers which show Chucky has better stats than Danault. Having said that, Danault at C makes that line better because they chase the puck less with him at center which gives them more offensive zone time. I have said many times that i don't think Danault is a #1C.
And i don't 'hate' #27 at all. I am sure he will be a very good C one day. He is certainly a top 6 forward in my mind.