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Originally posted by Bulis_the_Habbie
Just a question to Strummerman:
Do you honestly think Italy has a top 3 team?
The facts are these
1) Italy has the best goaltender in the world
2) Italy has a solid defence with Nesta and Cannavaro etc
3) Italy has a magician with Pirlo in midfield
4) Zambrotta is as fast as anyone in midfield and Gattuso is as rugged.
5) Totti has the passing skills of a Platini or a Zidane
6) Toni is the leading striker in Europe this year and Gilardino is a scoring machine
7) Cassano is another magician with the ball who hasnt played all year- he is unknown to you soccer hooligans but he has moves that would make Ronaldhino gasp
Viva Italia Case closed:king:
[Edited on 2005/12/15 by Strummerman]
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Originally posted by Leafs Suck
So the argument here is, use anything that makes Italy look good no matter how obslete or lame of a point it is. You have no argument that proves Italy can win the tournament, so you resort to brining up pointless stats and a jaded opinion in a weak attempt to convince someone who won't be convinced that Italy is a world class team.
Even if I were a Brazil fan, you'd find some weak stat that proves, in your mind, that Italy is the best!@
[Edited on 2005/12/15 by Leafs Suck]
Thank you for your unbiased opinion, Italy hasnt played brazil since 1994, but England has -ooops damn i cant reach that ball that damn ronaldhino- Apparently all your arguments about England are so valid and beyond reproach we should all put in our bets for England Now.
:guru:One thing I know Italy has not been clobbered in a game in ages- their losses have either been by one goal or penalty kicks- Italy always fields a competitive team and like I said they could probably field 2 competitive teams- As for England If Owens gets injured thats it for their world class strikers- they dont have a world class goalie- and their defence is weak- Case closed
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Originally posted by Leafs SuckWhat is interesting is that England has played Italy many times in friendlies in the present decade and have won none.
That and a buck will get you a coffee. They haven't had a serious football match in over 15 years. So if you wanna live in the past go ahead. I like living in the present.
Speaking of kicking players and whining and crying, wonder why Rooney and beckham were red carded in World Cup qualification? No Italians have been red carded since Totti's expulsion. We are disciplined and we will win.Again, those reds happened in what? Qualfying? Bringing it up proves how little you know about football and shows how weak your argument is.
Of course Totti did get a red in the game against the Koreans, then again for spitting. Yep, they look very disiplined to me.
Win what? 3rd place in there group?
[Edited on 2005/12/13 by Leafs Suck]
In what qualifying- wow those are unimportant games- I guess the Greeks and the Turks and the Danes all think those games are a joke as well.
Totti did not deserva a red card in Korea, it was a stupid penalty by a prejudiced south american referee- and how bout Beckham against Argentina in the World CUp-I guess that was discipline hmph-
All I know is Italy 3 World Cups, England only 1 at home with the crowd behind them- England and France can only pull it off with goons in the home crowd
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Originally posted by tommy9Originally posted by Strummerman
Hell Italy outplayed the French the whole match, the french who were the defending World Champions and had totally outplayed Brazil in the final 2 years before. What does that tell you, Italy completely outplays France and France completely outplays Brazil, if 1+1=2 then Italy would totally outclass Brazil. Italy was not embarassed in that game, not only did they outplay the Franch during the game they missed many opportuinities in the overtime as well.
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.... Brasil-France 0-3 .... -> France-Italy (after 89 min) 0-1 .... => Brasil - Italy 2-5 for example !! ... such a funny teory!
You mean it seriously? Every match is unique part. Ever so shorter "match" history is not counting.
And not only in a soccer. Look at NHL or NBA's "day by day" results
. With your "game philosophy" will be our world full of betting millionaires 
!!P.S.
... Go Trin&Tob Go! I'm looking for an ENG v. T&T ticket by the way (15.06.06 in Nürnberg). Some "Franken" connection will be necessary
! From your logic I guess dynasties dont happen. I guess the 76-79 Habs dynasty was different game by game, you can't compare. Or the Islanders and the Oilers of the 80's you had to look at each specific game. I guess your theory is e=mc*e/3:bow:
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Originally posted by Bulis_the_Habbie
Holland is in the toughest group but that own't stop them. They have an equally good chance of winning the group. No matter who goes further you can't argue that the Azuri have a better sqaud than the Oranjes.
Nothing to argue about Italy 3 Holland 1 in Holland 3 weeks ago
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Originally posted by Bulis_the_Habbie
Yech! Italians and Brits! My 2 least favourite national teams. Both of them are very overrated IMO (and Rooney is vicious).
I have ties to Spain and if you want an unlucky team look no further then them. They've been handcuffed by bad officiating all through the recent past.
My #1 team is the Netherlands of course. My lowland friends will win this year, you'll see.
Spain has a lucky draw and will make it to the next round and then be eliminated. Holland has a good chance of being eliminated in the first round. Holland has a great set of strikers but not much else. If Van basten doesnt play the likes of Seedorf Holland will not go far.
[Edited on 2005/12/13 by Strummerman]
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Originally posted by Dutch_Habs_Fan
Cassano was called worst player of the month behind Vieri. Says enough!!
Cassano has been benched all year since he didnt sign a contract. he has just played in the last few matches and has scored in 2 of 3 games. He will be traded next month and will probably join Inter or Juve. He will be relaxed and get in shape just in time for World Cup 2006
Viva Italia
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Originally posted by Leafs Suck
[2000 was a pure choke job, justify it all you want. Having the lead until the 90th minute then blowing it and losing it in extra-time. And yes England's game against France was a choke, considering Beckham was stopped by Berthez on a penalty 10 minutes earlier. You can keep your Italian blinders on if you want, but if you think that was a choke job and Italy 2000 wasn't then you're obviously misguided.
BTW I could use the argument that Zidane's tying goal was a beauty so it wasn't a choke job, alla your excuse for Italy... but I won't.
And besides, that was in the first game of the tourny. I would rather blow a lead like that in Game 1 and re-group in Game 2 then blow it in the Finals. What an embarrassment that was.
Hell Italy outplayed the French the whole match, the french who were the defending World Champions and had totally outplayed Brazil in the final 2 years before. What does that tell you, Italy completely outplays France and France completely outplays Brazil, if 1+1=2 then Italy would totally outclass Brazil. Italy was not embarassed in that game, not only did they outplay the Franch during the game they missed many opportuinities in the overtime as well.
Also found it interesting how England got out of there group stage in 2004, and Italy didn't. And that England made it to the Final 8 in 2002 while Italy didn't.
What is interesting is that England has played Italy many times in friendlies in the present decade and have won none.
Rooney was injuried in the game against Portugal. I am sure his penalty would have helped. Not to mentioned the fact England had scored in the 90th minute but the Swiss offical called it back claiming the goal was interfered with. If you look at it, it was his own defender interfering with him not the English player. But of course that's no excuse... well it is if your country is shaped like a boot.
Shesh this makes no sense to me. I was talking about Ronney's scoring prowess with manchester this year. have you noticed how many goals he's scored? have you noticed Manchester's ouster out of the European Cup? And your country likes fish n chips case closed
And much like the "new NHL", nothing much has changed and the Italy of old, all the whining, diving, spitting, will come back to haunt them.Besides, Italy's not even ranked in the top 10 in the world.
[Edited on 2005/12/12 by Leafs Suck]
If you think nothing has changed in the new NHL no wonder you are way off on soccer talk. Anyways its time to call it a day and see you in 6 months. Speaking of kicking players and whining and crying, wonder why Rooney and beckham were red carded in World Cup qualification? No Italians have been red carded since Totti's expulsion. We are disciplined and we will win. Well Fifa has dubious rankings that's why Italy was a seeded country in the World Cup draw. Fifa makes no sense
Viva Italia:king:
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Originally posted by Dutch_Habs_Fan
Did you say Totti was the victim cuz there was a camera on him the whole game. Thats the world upside down. Why would there be a camera on him, maybe he should behave once in a while. If he didnt do a thing nothing would have happened. Spitting someone else, thats animalbehaviour, and those idiottackels, he's nuts!
He's a great soccerplayer, but recently it's been a disgrace. I once liked him, my favo italian player, but thats been a long time ago
Gimme Pirlo, the guy is a master on the midfield..
Yeah well you forget one thing about the whole episode, Totti didnt spit at someone just because he thought he'd act like a kid. Talk about animal behaviour and cattanachio, the danes held and kicked at Totti the whole game and before the game they all said Totti was a diver to instigate him. Frankly they knew they had instigated him, that's why the camera was on him cause they knew Totti wasnt a wimp and would react since he's a passionate player. I dont condone what he did but there were reasons
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Originally posted by Dutch_Habs_FanOriginally posted by mathieugOriginally posted by StrummermanOriginally posted by mathieug
Mama mia, gotta love Catanacio! Haha
Italy hasnt played the cattanchio in decades, and they have had the best strikers of the last decade including Baggio Zola Inzaghi Del Piero Vieri Tottti etc etc etc
Hu? Oh, OK. Did you see Euro 2004, only 1 year ago? Or Euro 2000? No catanacio?
Damn Holland lost in 2000 to Catanacio. The Italian didnt even get 5 shots on the boards. Only defending. We hit everything, the post. Missed a penalty. And @ the end they win with the shootout at the end. Ok maybe deserved cuz we didnt score on those many opportunities. But it was hell of a Catanacio. Im still sick of it, we were the best team around at the time.
Just an example, but they still play catanacio. Sometimes not so obvious anymore cuz they have great midvielders and attackers. It's neven been a pleasure watching the Italian play...
frankly you forget one important thing, the Italians played a man short almost the whole match!!!We didnt play cattanachio against all the other teams when we played with a full slate. Please dont remind me that not only did Italy play a man short the whole match Holland was awarded a penalty kick during the match. Talk about wanting the home team to win. Let's just say if the opposite had happened and Italy had played at home with a man advantage the whole game it would have been 5-0 Italy.
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Originally posted by mathieugOriginally posted by StrummermanOriginally posted by mathieug
Mama mia, gotta love Catanacio! Haha
Italy hasnt played the cattanchio in decades, and they have had the best strikers of the last decade including Baggio Zola Inzaghi Del Piero Vieri Tottti etc etc etc
Hu? Oh, OK. Did you see Euro 2004, only 1 year ago? Or Euro 2000? No catanacio?
They scored 2 goals every game in the preliminary round in Euro 2000, led by the likes of Totti Montella Del Piero Inzaghi. Wow they played cattanachio type football against Holland who was the home team and when the Italian was red carded in the first 15 minutes of the game. What did you expect all out offence when your playing with a man less the whole game. Sheesh. As for Euro 2004, they lost their best passer in the first game in Totti due to the Danish phobia of having a camera film only Totti the whole game. As well they had Vieri who must have hit 20 posts during those games. Italy did not play defensive soccer in that tournament and to repeat they did not lose a match either unlike every other team in the tournament.
[Edited on 2005/12/12 by Strummerman]
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Originally posted by Leafs Suck
So who cares how many World Cups Italy has won?
Uruguay has 2. That's more then England, France, Holland, and the same amount as Argentina, are you suggesting that Uruguay is better then those nations?
You failed to mention 2000 Euros. If you think that wasn't a pure choke job than you're not a fan of football.
Who do I support? England. And I am sure you'll belittle them yet I could use the same argument you used. "They lost in alot of shootouts"...
But hey, England has been further then Italy in the last World Cup and Euro tourny so if you wanna talk about the present you have no argument.
[Edited on 2005/12/12 by Leafs Suck]
Well in Euro 2000, Italy did not choke, it was a great goal by France in the last minute of supplemental time. However, I doubt that much time should have been added on. A choke job was England against France in Euro 2004, where Gerrard passes it back to his goalie. That was an unforced error. There was no unforced error in the French goal against Italy. I guess you wanna forget Ronaldhino's goal againt England, or maybe forget England's goalies altogether..
You talk about the present, that ENglish team that played and lost in Euro 2004 will be virtually the same team as the one that will play in WC 2006. I have to admit England has good midfielders in Lampard Gerrard and Beckham. However, Rooney was an unknown quantity in Euro 2004 and as his goals come less and less in the Premier league, it is obvious he has been exposed as a wannabe. Owens is a first class striker. However, who plays in nets for England, and lets hope Rio Ferdinand doesnt defend.
As for Italy, they breed NEW strikers and look out for Toni and Gilardino and Cassano. The new Italy will be better than the New NHL.
Viva Italia
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Originally posted by StrummermanOriginally posted by mathieug
Mama mia, gotta love Catanacio! Haha
Italy hasnt played the cattanchio in decades, and they have had the best strikers of the last decade including Baggio Zola Inzaghi Del Piero Vieri Tottti etc etc etc
A correction, Argentina lost to Germany in 1990.
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Originally posted by mathieug
Mama mia, gotta love Catanacio! Haha
Italy hasnt played the cattanchio in decades, and they have had the best strikers of the last decade including Baggio Zola Inzaghi Del Piero Vieri Tottti etc etc etc
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Originally posted by Leafs Suck
Uh oh, Italian fan club in da house.
I love the logic "We didn't make it out the group phase but the Czechs did yet they're overrated"... PLEASE... In WC2006 qualfying Italy lost to Slovenia. Odd how that was not mentioned.
I love the spin on "Oh Italy didn't lose in 2004"... yet they only played 3 games, in a very easy group yet failed to advance. It's hilarous that someone could have the nerve to put a positive spin on that.
06 will be the same ol' for Italy. CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE. I hope they don't spit on the other players this time, or whine about the officals but what would a World CUp be without Italy making fools of themselves?
Well since Italy won 3 World Cups and only Brazil has won more, I dont know where this choke nonsense comes from. The French choked when they lost to Senegal in 2002, The English choked when Gerrard passed it back to the goaltender with seconds left and France scored, the Portuguese choked twice against Greece. The facts are the facts Italy did not lose in Euro 2004. The Czechs did not even qualify for the World Cup within their own group. Italy did lose to Slovenia when they started adding new players and a new coach in 2004, but they didnt lose to Slovenia the following year in 2005 when their team was set. As for choking, Italy was eliminated from World Cup 1990. 1994, and 1998 because of penalty kicks. The eventual winner of all those World Cups was the team that eliminated Italy. And that team be it Argentina Brazil or France did not defeat Italy during the match. As we watch shootouts in the NHL, Im sure that proves who the better team is???
Anyways I still dont know which team your following or are you ashamed to mention them
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Actually to add a few to the list
Ted Harris was a great fighter but he fought little. As for everyone saying Nilan was a good player as well, John Ferguson was a steady left winger. I remember him once deking Bobby Orr out of his pants and going around him to score. Not many players can take credit for that.
How bout Donald Brashear. No one has mentioned him. Frankly his fights when he was a habs were rather lame. He held on a lot. Dont know why once he left the Habs he became a much better fighter.
Ok Pierre Bouchard lost to Stan Jonathan but he won a few fights as well before that. Larry Robinson had some memorable fights as well. I remember he had one memorable fight with Grant Mulvey. I also recall he got the better of Stan Jonathan once.
John Kordic had a good start as a fighter with habs. However, he started to lose often in his later days. I remember he lost a fight to Tie Domi when he was a Ranger.
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Originally posted by Leafs SuckOriginally posted by Fanpuck33
Tough draw for the US. They'll be lucky to get out of the group stage. Perhaps they should hope for draws against Italy and the Czech Republic and a win over Ghana.
Actually Ghana is a decent team as well.
Italy is very overrated. I can see them not making it out of the group phase again.
Well let's see the Czech republic lost in Holland 2-0 in World Cup qualifying while Italy goes to Holland and defeats them 3-1 in a friendly. As well, may I add Italy's reputation took a beating because they were eliminated in the first round in Euro 2004. However, if you look at the results, Italy was the only team not to lose a game in Euro 2004. The Czechs are way overrated and Pavel Nedved had to come out of retirement to lead the Czechs to the World Cup. Pavel Nedved is way past his prime. Just like Canada, Italy could field 2 World Cup teams and still be competitive. The problem with italy is that often they dont chooose the right players and the coaches are too conservative.
Viva Italia
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how bout these pics
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A
Germany ----------- Poland
Costa Rica --------- Germany
B
England ------------- Sweden
Sweeden ----------- England
C
Argentina ---------- Serbia
Netherlands ------- Argentina
D
Portugal ------------ Portugal
Mexico ------------- Mexico
E
Czech reb. --------- Czechs
USA ------------------ USA
F
Brazil ---------------- Brasil
Croatia ------------- Australia
G
South Korea -------- Switzerland
Switzerland --------- France
H
Ukraine -------------- Ukraine
Spain ---------------- Spain
Notables that don't get out of their group: France, Italy, Japan.
The World Cup is coming!
dream on- here are the folks making it to the second round
A
Germany --------- Poland
B
England ------------- Sweden
C
Serbia---------- Netherlands
D
Portugal -------- Mexico
E
Italia ------------------ USA
F
Brazil ---Croatia
G
South Korea -------- France
H
Ukraine ---------------- Spain
VIVA ITALIA
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Well it usually comes down to John Ferguson and or Chris Nilan. Nilan didnt lose many fights but I think he wasnt big enuff for the likes of Bob Probert. Fergie rarely lost. As for the worst fighters Gordie Mcguire I think was his name, jean Hamel Terry Harper to name a few
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Originally posted by jetsniperOriginally posted by StrummermanOriginally posted by Bulis_the_HabbieOriginally posted by Strummerman
My team:
Gagne - Spezza - Heatley
Richards-Thornton-Iginla
Kariya- Sakic- Staal
St Louis-Lecavlier-Crosby
Redden-Blake
Pronger-Phaneuf
Jovonovski- Mccabe
Brodeur
Turco
Belfour
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Similar to my team. Noticable holes are Luongo missing the team, Heatley over Iginla (could work - who knows?), and checking lines that don't check. Oh ya, and I doubt all 4 kids will make the team if any.
Gagne - Spezza - Heatley
Tanguay-Lecavalier-Iginla
Smyth-Draper-Doan
Madden-Peca-Sullivan
Redden-Foote
McCabe-Blake
Jovonovski-Pronger
Luongo
Brodeur
Theodore
This is your team- Madden dont think so Sullivan is not a checker- I would probably have Smyth as an extra and Doan- I forgot S Niedermeyer he will be on the team- Thornton will be on the team especially now that mario has heart problem- Kariya is having a comeback year if it is not him then it will be Tanguay- Foote is injured I think and a little long on the tooth. Luongo as a shoe-in at beginning of year-He has been playing himself off team
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Err, thats my team. And apparently we disagree on many points but thats something totally different. This is BTH's team
Gagne - Sakic - Iginla
Richards-Lecavalier-Heatley
Smyth-Draper-St Louis
Kariya-Thornton-Bertuzzi
Scratches: Nash, Staal, Spezza, Crosby (Yzerman, Lemieux)
Niedermayer-Foote
McCabe-Blake
Jovonovski-Pronger
Redden
Scratches: Regher
Brodeur
Luongo
Theodore
ok im confused as to who is what but the last team posted Bertuzzi is not having a great year and neither is Foote but you may be right as to who Gretz selects but I prefer my team since it will be more exciting- your team looks a lot like the team that lost at world championships.
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Originally posted by Bulis_the_HabbieOriginally posted by Strummerman
My team:
Gagne - Spezza - Heatley
Richards-Thornton-Iginla
Kariya- Sakic- Staal
St Louis-Lecavlier-Crosby
Redden-Blake
Pronger-Phaneuf
Jovonovski- Mccabe
Brodeur
Turco
Belfour
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Similar to my team. Noticable holes are Luongo missing the team, Heatley over Iginla (could work - who knows?), and checking lines that don't check. Oh ya, and I doubt all 4 kids will make the team if any.
Gagne - Spezza - Heatley
Tanguay-Lecavalier-Iginla
Smyth-Draper-Doan
Madden-Peca-Sullivan
Redden-Foote
McCabe-Blake
Jovonovski-Pronger
Luongo
Brodeur
Theodore
This is your team- Madden dont think so Sullivan is not a checker- I would probably have Smyth as an extra and Doan- I forgot S Niedermeyer he will be on the team- Thornton will be on the team especially now that mario has heart problem- Kariya is having a comeback year if it is not him then it will be Tanguay- Foote is injured I think and a little long on the tooth. Luongo as a shoe-in at beginning of year-He has been playing himself off team
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My team:
Gagne - Spezza - Heatley
Richards-Thornton-Iginla
Kariya- Sakic- Staal
St Louis-Lecavlier-Crosby
Redden-Blake
Pronger-Phaneuf
Jovonovski- Mccabe
Brodeur
Turco
Belfour
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So I was raked over the coals about how I thought Italy had a good chance at world cup-hmmm let's see what Pele thinks-
Legend Pele rates England chances
By Michael Burnett
Pele wins BBC award
Pele has tipped England and Italy to be Brazil's biggest challengers at the 2006 World Cup finals in Germany.
"I've seen a lot of games in the last two years and England have improved a lot," the 65-year-old told BBC Sport.
"Of course if nobody gets an injury, then I think England, Italy or Brazil will be in the final.
"But if I have to name a team to win, I name Brazil. Not only because of their quality, but also because they have two players in every position."
As the winner of three World Cups with Brazil in 1958, 1962 and 1970, Pele certainly knows what it takes to succeed in the biggest sporting event on globe.
But even football's most famous face, who won a lifetime achievement award at the BBC Sports Personality of the Year show, realises that next summer's tournament will throw up a few surprises.