larek
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Hey Larek man! Been a while... I haven't logged on at habfans in more than a year I believe (do you still log on there at times? are the same old guys still there? cournoyer, the annoying bruins fan, KR, etc). I had to cut down on the message board thing and for a while wasn't active at all here aside from a fantasy league. I'm a bit more active lately because of the deadline approaching.
How are you doing?
I agree about the instinct. Chip also has more "pure skills" which translate into an offensive touch... Chip was able to produce twice as much as Lapierre with half the opportunities.
Still on the "checking role", if trading one means getting Tanguay... I'd be ready to do that.
Yep still there some not a much though-- and yes KR Courney emb still around - Gap the Bruin fan is banned for i beleive life
And im doing fine
Im not as gung ho getting Tanguay-
i read where supposdly jolkinen has asked for a trade- now that would be interesting
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Exactly my thoughts. It's mere specualation, but Lapierre's play might have made them confident that they can trade Chip. Although Chip might one day be superior to Lapierre, it won't be enough to make up for the difference a guy like Tanguay can bring on the offensive side.
And BTW as for the Lapierre and Chip thing, Lapierre is twice the skater Chip is... Chip was my favourite hands down before the start of the season, but Lapierre has mixed the cards.
Chips is to me a better player
he seems to have some instincts that Laps does not
by the way how's it going Alex long time no talk
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What we need is patience. A tall order for Habs fans given how greedy we can be. It'll come
Greedy ! LOL
wanting a decent team that can make the playoffs be consistent
is good common sense !!
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I agree. Gainey is sticking to a plan that will make the Habs a contender, not just in 2009, but for years afterward.
I hope your not too dissapointed if it doesnt happen
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Unless Gainey knows he can sign Souray
If not GAiney and the team are going to be the big losers today
I really dont understand What Gainey is thinking
but he is the GM !!
I doubt he is going back to Edmonton
There will be some bad blood between Smyth and Lowe
they wont say it Publicly but i dont thinlk Smythe will be back
Unless Gainey knows he can sign SourayIf not GAiney and the team are going to be the big losers today
I really dont understand What Gainey is thinking
but he is the GM !!
To Late to react- Now thats Bob Gainey in a nutshell
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Pittsburg got better. Atlanta got better. Islanders got better. Toronto (Perreault) and Ottawa (saprykin) somehow got better (or at least have more depth).
I agree with Bob's decision to not trade his prospects, but the trades made by Atlanta and NYI won't help us make the playoffs... And if we don't make the playoffs, what's the point of keeping Souray?
Your thoughts?
Unless Gainey knows he can sign Souray
If not GAiney and the team are going to be the big losers today
I really dont understand What Gainey is thinking
but he is the GM !!
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Well the 1st rounder is pretty high and O'Mara is a great prospect.
Well the 1st rounder is pretty high and O'Mara is a great prospect.
but I agree Habs should have bucked up Smyth is a game breaker.
Isles won this deal Smith still has a lot Game in him
I much would have had Smith Than Forsberg
When your owner wants to win this is what happens
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Ryan Smith traded to the Isles
MAn Gainey really screwed up today
Smith was the exact type player this team has needed for years!!
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Is there any information yet about what this press conferance was for?
he got a good deal with geico.. !!
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GO HABS GO
Going to be a good game. Watch Demitra and Gaborik Bonk line!
Dont think gaborik will be playing tomorrow
hopefully not anyways
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I dont think its "between Perezhogin and Lats". I think Lats has a few too many guys in front of him (Pereazhogin, Kostitsyn, Chipchura, Grabovski, Lapierre, Ferland) and is one year too young. He'd better go back to junior, have a long stable season there (unlike last season) and then next year its either the AHL or the NHL. No need to rush him.
Perezhogin's spot is his to lose. He has to prove he can bring more than all the names I just mentionned.
tell me who of these players had the best camp last year?
and if that same player has the best camp out of the younger players
then by all means he should be on the big team.
As far as what Zhogin can bring and has brought ?
ehh not that impressed !
just too add Lats has more to bring to HABS than Zhogin!
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No my intention was not to make it more complicated.
As I said in one of my earlier posts, I won't believe he has asked for a trade until I see or hear proof from a legitimate source. I think that this is in the rumour stages at this point and everyone is offering opinions without any real proof. Right now I think that that at it's worst, it is just still a discreet request for a trade if possible? Personally I don't think it has reached any of the other situations yet.
Right now no one except Gainey and Souray knows the truth(except maybe somebody's hairdresser?)
Problem is that if it escalates any further, or is not denied then those scenarios will start to develop.
Too many athletes in the past have put guns to managements head, and there have been very few times that they have been able to get equal return in a deal. And the worse case scenario is losing him to free agency as good defenceman command a premium on a balanced market. A player forcing a trade does not make the market balanced - instead it becomes heavily slanted towards the buyers favour!
My intention wasn't to say that this was the case here - sorry if I mis-lead you or didn't clarify that enough.
I don't see things going that way right now, but those are an amatuer analogy of the stages that we hope won't follow in this case? I hope Souray can be resigned, or at least packaged in order to bring a fair return.
One thing i and you can say is Souray would Like to be closer to his family!
So your hope of Souray being resigned i think is a pipedream.
2 ways to go
1)He stays, plays and leaves
2)Gainey trades him
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If, and I stress the word if, he has asked for a trade then it certainly puts Gainey in a more delicate position than if it was just the Habs seeking to trade for another player(s) straight up. And it can be noted that there are obviously certain degrees to that situation - i.e. the more public & bitter it might become then the more once-sided it becomes.
In any sitution, if an opposing manager senses a need to deal that is forced, then it becomes that much less profitable to do so. Like a company that is losing money - it is much more desperate to ease the cash flow as the situation becomes worse and worse? So far if it is true it seems minimal , but other managers will still be looking to take advantage according to the level of urgency.
The facts are that Souray is destined for free agency this year is the most crucial of these scenarios if they are at all dependant on the grounds for this rumours = bullet #1 - 4
From there one can suggest that the rest of the six bullet chamber is being loaded accordingly:
1 - supposedly is requesting a trade = bullet #5 (if true)
2 - shrewd opposition managers looking for a bargain = bullet #6 plus
If you were to divide the scenario into stages then it could be said that:
A/ if he has discreetly inquired about a trade = no real issue
B/ rumours true or not = a gun is in the house
C/ no denials = he has the gun in his hands
D/ a public statement confirming the rumours = it is being loaded
E/ demands & threats = the gun is loaded and being raised to the firing position
F/ holding out on the team = it is now pointed at your head and you are waiting for the click
So in essence, Gainey is very likely to find himself in a pickle jar no matter how this is handled - hopefully it is a big jar of yum-yums........
i really think you are making things much more complicated than what they are.
The simplicity of the siutaion is plain to see
now as how us fans see it and the way it actually is a whole nother thing.
But i can only see it as the way it is presented to me.
Souray is impending UFA
HE can play out the year and go
to a team and city that he is comfortable in
with his family situation possibly being a factor (i think it will be a big factor)
Gainey can ride it out and have him play this whole season for HABS
which Souray might not have any problem doing.
Culminating with GAiney giving Souray an offer to resign with the HABS
And hoping Souray signs .
Or Gainey can see there is a big Gamble holding on to Souray in this situation
and trying to get as much as he can at the right time.
I would think the longer Gainey holds on to him the less he will get!(if he goes this way)
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Markhov is a restricted free agent next season, I believe. Hopefully they can sign him to a long-term deal.
Souray and Rivet are impending UFAs. I'd be surprised to see Rivet go, but he is also very well-regarded around the NHL and I wouldn't be floored to see a little bidding war for his services if he does go UFA. It would depend on how many other D-men are out there.
In a perfect world we'd keep all three and add one more...
2005-06 season - any player who is 31 years of age or older and has 4 or more accrued seasons as of the end of the 2004-05 season.
2006-07 season - any player who has 8 accrued seasons OR 29 years of age or older as of June 30 of the 2005-06 season.
2007-08 season - any player who has 7 accrued seasons OR 28 years of age or older as of June 30 of the 2006-07 season.
2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11 seasons - any player who has 7 accrued seasons OR 27 years of age or older as of June 30 of the 2007-08 , 2008-09, 2009-10 season.
Now im not sure if im understanding this right
But look at the ufa for 2007-2008
It sais 28 years of age or older as of june 30 of the 2006-2007 season
Markov will be 28 this december!
So wouldnt that make him UFA for 2007-2008 season?
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First, Souray is a #3 or 4 defenceman on ANY good NHL team. Here, he's our #2, which may be a stretch - but that's not Souray's fault, it's the Habs' fault for having so many middling defencemen. He is well-regarded throughout the league and only Montreal fans would be so myopic as to allow his occasional defensive howlers to overwhelm all the assets he brings, including a booming shot, size, leadership, and good puck-moving skills.
Second, I'm increasingly certain that the Habs will be forced to move him. His impending UFA status combined with these ongoing low-level rumours that he wants to go elsewhere for family reasons is a very dangerous combination. These rumours are just too enduring to be wholly false. They've been burbling away for months now.
All I can say is that if the Habs don't replace him on the blueline with a real blue-chip stud, they will be hard-pressed to make the playoffs regardless of how many quality forward they have. Even with Souray the Habs need a bona fide #2 or #1A defenceman (after Markov). Without him, expect the D to be ground down, and possibly even Huet to start feeling the pinch. Bad, bad, bad.
How Gainey handles this file could be a real key to his tenure. Interesting times.
I agree !
Question is Markov going to be UFA after this season?
Actually I wasn't referring to the aspect of Free Agency at all - that is obviously another aspect of it.My comments were directed at the issue of whether he was a lazy bum last year, and the actual legitimacy of these trade rumours.
Obviously if he is actually intending to leave Montreal at the end of his contract then it would be best to move him now.
Only problem is it still puts a manager in the same pickle - trying to make a trade with a gun to his head.
Why would you deal something you want to keep for a guy you might be able to sign as a free agent next year?
If he is demanding a trade it definitely changes the whole scenario - how can it not?
i dont know if you can say Souray has a gun to Gainey head!
He is UFA after this season and has every right to go to another team if he decides to
Gainey knows this and has known this for some time now
plus he also knows and has knownabout the personal issues which might be a factor
in his UFA decision
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He never screwed any puppies last year, and he hasn't vowed to severe any contract!
He is rumoured to have asked for a trade for personal reasons.
No major sports sources in Ontario, or that I know of have yet to report this - and they would if they put any stock in it - so this is still just that. A rumour that keeps floating about?
Quite simply put he has possibly asked Habs management if he could be moved elsewhere for good personal reasons. If he really has, then I would trust Gainey's compassion and especially his hockey smarts to make the right deal as it would be in everyone's best interest, all personal sentiments aside. And if you had a chance to move closer to your young child after a seperation/divorce, would you not see if it could be accommodated by your particular firm, or occupation?
Why does that kind of parenting instinct make him a schmuck - oy vey, a nahr bleibt a nahr!
And yes talent-wise he is a capable top 3/4 defenceman on most teams in todays NHL..... few if any NHL level people would argue that point!
As far as Pronger goes - uuummmhhhh, lets see now...... given the fact he is one of the very best in the NHL certainly made that deal much easier as everyone knew what a dog fight it was going to be to sign the few top flight defenceman available through free agency. I wonder how much better they might have done if that hadn't gone public, and only time will tell how well they actually did.
Problem is once it goes public it basically puts a gun to the head of any manger's head as the shrewd GM's are looking to force your hand. And it is not necessarily the players fault in every situation as it is often the media that is to blame - and the French press seem to love it when they can crucify some poor non Francophone for any possible reason.......
When I see a deal done or I hear him say it publically, then I will actually believe he requested this move?
'Til then it's just rampant specualation as far as can see?
Souray requesting a trade or not is non consequential!!
The scenario is Souray is in his last year of his contract with impending UFA after this season.
I would think that itself would be enough for HABs to be possibly looking to move him at some point
BUt add on the personal issue of Souray wanting to be closer to his famiily on top of that
and i would be very very surprised if he isnt moved !
Because if he isnt traded and plays out the year in Montreal he isnt coming back!
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This rumor won't stop dying.
How many times does Souray have to say "I want to play in Montreal but I wouldn't mind being traded if it gets me closer to my daughter." ?
he does have a daughter he and his wife and child have split with plenty of distance between the two
why wouldnt he want to be closer to his daughter.
he is going to be UFA after this year if he isnt traded then i would think he would sign with another team
probably in California!! Makes perfect sense to me!
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I know what your frustration is. Even the Hapless Leafs managed to sign 1 good defenceman.
In defence of Gainey, he NEVER made a huge signing or trade while in Dallas. He believes in 2nd tier players in trade and signing as free agents. It looks like the Habs are going to have to insert Plekanec at center for the second line. I actually am pumped for this as I really like his game.
If Gainey signs nobody, he will have an extra $4million next year when Bonk and Zednik are gone. Montreal is still rebuilding and maybe he thinks 1 more year of playing the rookies and sophmores now to gain experience.
Who knows.....?
the extra money will be spent on the HABS D who will be UFA after this year.
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Poetic license aside, on of my all-time favourite quotes.
So said, don't expect revenge to be taken. As Fanpuck said, it ain't the Gainey way. Hurt them on the scoreboard where it really does the damage.
How about hurt them on the scoreboard
and crank williams every chance you can
make him dizzy with all the thunderous checks when
he wanders into the corners
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That is a disgusting thing to say. Bob Gainey would never permit his team to play dirty and go head hunting. He is too classy a person to resort to such barbaric measures. Sending a message by playing Simpson or Downey is one thing, but head hunting is out of the question. It has no place in hockey. Head hunting results in horrible situations where guys get seriously injured. Sure, Williams injured Koivu, but it wasn't on purpose. To go after him and try to injure him back is awful. I'm all for Komi laying him out with a few clean hits. But if we really want to send a message, let's knock his team out of the playoffs.
You F*ck with the Bull
you get the horns!!
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Lang is another "code" rumour.
I've always like him and he can put points up. but at 35 and at 3.8 Million, i would hope we're not giving up much to get him. As far as i could find out he still has 1 year left on his deal as well.
Don't get me wrong if it's lang or Ribeiro, no question i'd take lang.
Why Lang?
what would having him for 1 more year do for the team at 3.8 mill?
doesnt make any sense.
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What's this crap about Koivu laughing when he was asked about Theo's injury? That's horse crap. I saw the interview and he did no such thing. He said something very brief about Theo's struggles and hoped he came back soon. There was no laughing or even a smirk. Sheesh.
well i dont know what interview you saw but the one i saw on CBC English
Koivu definatley laughed albeit not a loud long laugh but he did laugh or possibly call it a chuckle
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If I ever wanted to believe Eklund it's NOW!!!!!!!!!
http://v2.hockeybuzz.com/blogworld/blog.as...ger=1&post=1174
I think thats a fairy tale
weve heard rumours like that when Theodore was playiing better
and nothing happened
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I have to laugh when people say we need to wait to get equal value for Theo..what is equal value for an over priced goaltender who's had one good season? Lets be honest, if we can get rid of Theo, and get any reasonable asset in return, it needs to be done. I've allways said that a team in this stage of developement doesn't need a big dollar goaltender anyway, we would be just as well going this season and next with Danis and Huet sharing the duties, and wait for Price to develop. In 3 years or so, with a few deft moves, Habs should be a contender. We're not winning a cup before that, so I say we go with a couple of second tier goaltenders.
i agree cant fathom any team giving out alot of value for Theodore.
But if HABS could get a team to bite on a theo deal
i would think HABS would be looking for another goalie
GDT: Sabres @ Canadiens - October 18th, 2011
in Habs & Hockey Talk
Posted · Edited by larek
You have to get the points when you outplay an opponent- Because youyr not going to play like that all the time- this keeps up and there will be no playoffs for this team- This team again doesnt have many finishers and of course the same cast of poor starters