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He did!
He cleared Ribs out of here, which he should have, Grabs and Komi and leading the Leafs to more failure, great place for them to be, The Russians aren't his fault, they were drafted before his tenure unless I am mistaken, and none want to be here. You discuss that with players before you draft them. Well, p-hog might want to but he doesn't have it... Higgins is not Gomez's equal.
I believe he did well with all your examples, in one way or another.
Just picture last season, with the parties and distractions and Ribs in the mix!
After their famed practice squabble Koivu went on for another couple years of mediocrity, the team flatlined last year and Bob had to clearcut the room, and meanwhile Ribiero went on to be a star in Dallas ...
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It is rather amusing that this is being reported everywhere that "the Habs suspended SK" when it seems the details show he packed up his belongings tuesday night and is heading for the airport.
That is like your employer firing you after you've handed in your resignation.
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Bob is a genius. :bow: Bob :bow:
Mara and Camm have to be one of the best signings this offseason, while the jury will be out on Gionta and Gill (but I'm think that as a 6th D, Gill will be excellent and Gionta always scored 60 pts on the 2nd line... so he can't do worse than that, which is good for 1st or 2nd in pts in almost any edition of the Habs for the last 10 years!!!)
If by standing in line with everyone else at 12:01pm July 1st and opening up his wallet more than anyone else would classifies him as being a genius I guess by all means crown the man.
Cammalleri - good signing however $6M is only valid if he can produce 35G+ since his three full seasons he's avg'd 33G/yr. I guess you need to drop $6M these days on a 5'9" 180lb 30+ goal scorer so I can justify that as long as it continues.
Gionta - at 5'7" 175lb someone will need to make space out there for him to be effective, and I hope his last two full seasons of 20G and 22G are not an indication of his future production for a $5M/yr man but we'll have to wait and see.
Gomez - $7.5M for a guy that has averaged 19G and 68pts his last four seasons is part of the reason this is widely regarded as one of the worst contracts in hockey. I really want to believe Bob didn't get absolutely HOSED on this deal, I really do. His playoff numbers are much better at approx 1pt/game.
Please prove us wrong Bob, because this is your sword to fall on now.
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I could say that for whatever reason it wasn't working with us for Higgins, one of my favourite Habs and I guy I openly championed as our next captain last season. He's not snake-bit, he can't score. that's all. But he found his niche on the lower lines, I bet he becomes an excellent 2-way winger on the third line. Maybe with us next year? "Kiss kiss, all is forgiven Chris, by the way we rented an apartment for you and your Mom, just like the Expos did with Mrs. Guerrero and her boys..."
No objection that Bob overpaid for Gomez and will now overpay him on his insane contract. But he was available, and I think Mathias Brunet pointed out in an article that it isn't necessarily a bad thing to get a guy still young, two years removed from great success, plays hard all the time, good wheels, to come into a system-oriented team like Martin will make us. Maybe it will work, and Bob sees it as a gamble much better than Vinny would have been. No argument either about not frontloading contracts, in particular Gionta making 5 million at 35 years old is worrisome.
Plex is dead meat. Jury still out on both Kosts, though A has the makings of a fine sniper and S looks to have the total skill set.
If we had signed Tanguay while injured to a healthy long-term contract I feel it would have been nearly impossible to move him. Everyone would want to see him put in a full season healthy. Thus the reason that I think Bob replaced him with Cammalleri - more durable, in addition to younger and not that much more expensive. If Bob had tried to undercut Tanguay significantly, he would have just waited for UFA status anyway. Bob really went for healthy players in a big way.
The D will be younger, two of our guys look ready now, one on the brink, a potential stud in Russia, a high-draft NCAA kid, along with Gorges and an in-prime Markov...the guys we signed will be gone as the kids start coming through the ranks. Couldn't believe that Bob didn't go for Beauchemin, but he got guys who don't miss much time at all.
One point about Bob losing all his assets for little or nothing: he can't tank, he can't give up on a playoff appearance while there is still a chance. This isn't Nashville, trading away Souray might have cost him his job, giving up last year on the playoffs during our 100th year shenanigans was political suicide. Signing then dealing Kovalev is a nice idea, but who knows what would have happened on the team had he been here? Or if he would have even been trade-able? We had one serious drama with #27 last year, when Bob saw a chance to replace him one-up with Gionta he didn't hesitate. Character over talent, I guess (not that I disliked Kovalev at all).
The problem with comparing the Gomez contract to the Lecavalier contract is that you are comparing apples to oranges. Sure Vinny is a higher cap hit (~1M) but that is pretty close to what a dominant 1C/richard trophy winner is worth. I dont think Habs fans have a problem paying someone 7.5M to be a major impact player, but most are in agreement that the Gomez deal is at least 2M/yr higher than what he has shown he's worth. That is why people are pissed. Bob just took on arguably the worst contact in hockey (now that Guerin is done), and GAVE them Higgins and our top D pick on top! For Bob's sake Gomez better be an F'ing star or else he is gonna be gone. Not because I don't like/admire the man, but because it would be icing on a cow pie of bad asset management.
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enjoy the viewing, bring your tissue, you will need it sally.
EPIC FAIL. At least learn to troll effectively before taking your training wheels off son.
Pro-tip: don't come into an established forum of posters and run your e-peen pretenting to know something about hockey. By the sounds of things you are the one with the man crush on Lucic since you mention his name every other line in your babbling, incoherant posts. Last time I checked Lucic hasn't fought much of anyone other than Komi, whereas the latter has a resume at least backing up that he isn't afraid to throw down when called upon.
Congratulations, you are failing at life.
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get over komi, he is now the maple laughs punching bag for luCHICK. Komisarek was the biggest of hitters when it came to smaller players, he would tussle with the best of the light/middle weights but wouldn't dare mess with anyone that would actually drop the gloves without hesitation.
He was figured out pretty quick, and once it became common knowledge throughout the league that he was more bark than bite, the Habs became that much more disrespected. Isn't it odd that a team with a 6 '4 250 monster got bullied every night so much so that they had to go over pay for George and two years to late?
He never had to be a goon, he just needed to be tough enough to be the second toughest guy night in night after the other teams 2 minuntes/night goon. He never was tough and never will be, just watch him in TO, he will face wash with the best of them once the refs arrive, but won't dare man up and send a message. Komi will be introduced to what it takes to be tough by watching Luke Schein operate.
Another wasted draft pick, nice going Habs.
That is why the Leafs signed Colton Orr for four years at half the salary of BGL. Komi isnt needed to drop the mitts he just needs to play his defensive game solidly and protect the net. He wasnt signed to score 40pts and never will be expected to.
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Exactly what I was thinking. The fact that Bob refused to negotiate with him last year, rubbed Mike the wrong way. He also knew that it was just a matter of time before Higgins would be traded, so he let himiself be sweet talked by Burke. Also, let's not forget that he will be earning 22.5 million$ over the next 5 years! Nothing to spit at!
I have a hard time believing that Bob would've offered Komi anything under $4M/season, so I think the "took the money" argument is null and void. He is a young guy and signed for 5 years which is certainly not a lengthy term and not for crazy dough like people expected leading into free agency.
Bob dropped the ball on this one as well as many others, but in particular with Komi. The folks around here defending his moves are running out of ammo I'm afraid, because there is no reason he should've been allowed to walk to a division rival for a 5yr deal under $5M/per season. Brian Burke is in his office laughing at this franchise right now no doubt.
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Since so many Habs are defecting to our rivals i though there should be a poll about....Koivu. Want to know what Habsworld thinks. I picked NO!
100% YES.
This is a business my friend, the sooner you realize this the better. The only difference is that on Bay Street they wear Prada whereas at 1260 De la Gauchetiere Ouest they wear Rbk.
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I thas been prooven over and over agin throughout the past 2 decades that when lots of money is dangled in front of a player, 90% of the time he will jump on it, and it's the same for Koivu. You're just too in love with him to see that!
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Koivu has pride but he's also not stupid ... you're lucky to have a career as long as his has been in the NHL and towards the tail-end of it you need to ensure you are prepared financially for when it comes to an end. He isn't accepting huge offers because they aren't being presented, regardless of who is offering.
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so he really was asking for 6M then, if he waited that long to sign a 5M... dammit, those guys are greedy.
I'm pretty sure Beauchemin signed for 3yrs/10million correct?
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how do they have the cap space?
and shit, those games are gonna suck.
Beauchemin also just signed with TOR. Glad we have no cap left thanks to 8hrs of firesale spending ...
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Lets just hope that Markov wasnt the master of rotten apples all the time
I think Fireing the coach is the easiest way to get a boost on the team and I think he did the right thing when fireing Carbo, if he wouldnt have done that we wouldve missed the playoffs.
Are you serious or is that a joke?!? Making the playoffs was a complete joke and a direct result of every other team ahead of them taking a dump in the bed at the exact same time. They lost EIGHT STRAIGHT GAMES including the playoffs to finish off the season my friend, missing the playoffs would've been a blessing to that team. Do yourself a favor and forget 2008-2009 ever happened.
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Latendresse will turn into Holmström 2.0 playing with Gomez and Gionta.
Latendresse: G-30 A-27 = 57 PIM 119 (taking some "komi"-penalties protecting his linemates) +/- +21
nobody on this team is going to be +21 when the season is over
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I'd predict the contrary: A super hot start. Teams will need a couple games each to adjust to our ultra fast snipers team.
I like the fact that Plekanec and A. Kost will have less pressure this year.
I hope to see A. Kost blossom this year as we expected when we drafted him 10th overall in 2003. I expect him to be on the 1st PP wave and finish the year somewhere between 35-40 goals.
Gomez - 15 goals 55 assists
Cammalleri - 25 - 35
A. Kost - 35 - 25
Plek - 20 - 40
Gionta - 25 - 20
We might see 6 or more 20 goals scorers, with many players rotating on the left side of Gomez-Gionta:
Pacioretty, Latendresse, Cammalleri.
Look for the same style of hockey played in Detroit and alot of it. This team will punish teams that turn the puck over in the neutral zone with quick odd-man rushes being the result. With Martin's noted defensive style there should be more turnovers ahead of the blueline to facilitate this. As usual, the PP will be the bread and butter for this team, and I too predict that AKost will pot at least 30G.
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We're overvaluing McDonagh. There's no way to know NOW if we overpayed or if we stole. We'll know in 5 years.
The fact remains that the cap hit for Gomez is roughly equivalent to that of Vinny, so I can't see this as a move to preceed something bigger in TB.
Sure Gomez is instantly one of the best players on the team, but he comes at a hefty pricetag for someone who is 5'10" and mostly a perimeter passer. I guess if they are gonna keep him he'd be paired with the 2 snipers (kovy and AKost) for a pretty solid 1st line.
In Bob we Trust? (getting kinda old imo)
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Kovalev is still a 1st liner on nearly every team in the NHL, Koivu and Lang most certainly are not.
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Id rather win cup's than have loads of caproom. Each year we sit here laughing at all other teams signing their stars for what we call "crazy contracts" still its those teams that end up winning cups and going far into the playoffs while we sit here with a team that soon looks more and more like the other teams farms. Id love to have an overpayed superstar for once and Id love to see us overpay a little to keep Komisarek, especially now when he is aproaching 30 years old and should be in his primetime. But noooo, lets dump all good players because they want to be paid like good players and stick with our 4 lines of 3rd-liners. /CRY PLS resign Komi.
MTL fans seem pretty content, when all is said and done, to fall in line much like their TML counterparts 6hrs west down the 401 and accept this idea that "hey we're savings capspace ... we aren't doing anything and we're hemmoraging the only talent we do have, but hey we have capspace for later".
Dalhabs isn't far offbase, sooner or later Bob needs to grow a set and make a move that will define his career as a GM. So far his legacy is picking a goalie at #5 that pretends he's Patrick Roy without any of the cups or conn smythes to back it up.
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Even if Bob were foolish enough to mortgage the future of this team on one player he understands that player would have to be francophone at the very least. An average-sized anglo kid isn't exactly on the radar in MTL these days for a number of reasons.
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So now Gainey is not a "man?" He's got 6 Cup rings, a Habs captaincy, a playoff performance with a one dislocated and one separated shoulder, history of personal courage, and an army of colleagues who express profound admiration for him as a professional and a human being that say different.
I'm with habs rule on this. Non-entity is fired. Big whoop. The end.
Seems to me all we are doing these days is looking back at what these past heroes had done 25 years ago as the sole justification for letting them off the hook for everything they aren't doing today.
If you think firing someone over the telephone is professional no one is going to change your mind, but just for interest sake take a poll of the people around you, I guarantee more will find is classless than not.
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so they said on radio !!
Idont disagree. I never really understood his role on the coaching staff.
No one is questioning WHY they were let go, even Lever himself said he totally understands that. Everyone is questioning HOW they were let go, and for a man like BG who hasn't exactly been flush with golden moves lately this comes across as one of the lowest class things he can do in his position.
Piss poor optics for a team that badly needs some good things to happen.
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marky you do make me chuckle. What is Bob supposed to do about the schooling language laws and taxes? Does he also run for premier? Maybe Kenny d could give him some pointers? On politicking that is, he did not do so good with the laffs. So we should just give up and not sign free agents cause they don't want to come here anyways? I would be interested in when you and komi were talking about how he would sign for less in the fall when he was having a real good start to the season. It is after the shoulder injury that he went for shit. It does not seem logical that when he is playing like an all star he sez to bob hey bob I'll sign for 1 maybe 2 million less cause I'm having a great start to the year. you talk about Streit like he is some god but when you think that Bob could have signed him for less he was a 5th or 6th defenceman ( still think he's a 5th at best) and you do not pay 4.5 million for a 5th or 6th def. As to souray bob offered him more $ than Edmonton Thank god he turned it down cause we got hamerlick and he is 2 to 3 times better than the pylon known as Souray, you gotta look at you tube some time some great classic Souray moments in a habs uni. I hope we do sign Komi but his last 1/2 of the year cost him a lot of $.IMHO. Now would you please tell me who this great GM is that you think could replace Bob? I am interested cause I can't think of one that I would rather have at this time. And then tell us how he is going to solve the taxes schooling and language laws. Like I said before marky the road is in front of you, you going to hit a lot of cars driving in your rear view mirror. The biggest reason people get pissed at Bob is cause there are no leaks coming out of montreal. He ain't going to tell you what he is doing. Therefore you conclude that he does nothing but how many times does he come from left field and make something happen many times and I can cite a few but you already know that. One thing I would like to see happen on this forum is that people would quit using the lynch mob mentality, we lost a game "fire the coach" we lost 2 games "fire the gm" we lost 3 games "fire everybody" "Trade em all and start over" it is nonsence and it is not how this team works. We have been firing too many people in the last couple of decades. just my thoughts while I had some time. :ghg: :ghg: :ghg: :hlogo:
Did you see Hammer play at all last season?? He is a 5M yoke around the neck of this team and was brutal down the stretch, I mean F'ing brutal. Some people only see what they want to see I guess.
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3rd lines are only nice if the first two lines are any good.
QFT
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So what happens when he re-signs with Atlanta?
Atlanta will be lucky to have a team still next summer. The only reason thay didn't jump the gun before PHX is because they've been mired in court forever over who owns the team. They certainly will not be in the market to pony up 8M+ for a long-term deal to keep him.
He is a franchise player and would fit in well with the European culture in MTL compared to most other NHL cities, and of all the "big splashes" out there he is in my opinion the biggest on the horizon.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again ... ILYA KOVALCHUK 2010-2011
Clear some debris away this summer, take next year to test some of the farm kids out in the show, and figure out who really wants to play and who is just here for the money. Then at some point in the latter stages of next season offer Kovalchuk a long-term deal at whatever he will sign for. This guy is truly a franchise player, and the Habs could be one of the only teams able to throw the kind of money at him needed to sign.
PS - keeping Kovy around, being the Russian legend he is, surely would help the signing potential
The Carey Price pick...
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If Price gets the nod this weekend against the pathetic Laffs there is no better game for him to get back on the horse. They are inept on offense and 95% of their shots are perimeter softies that will just pad his stats and confidence.
I agree with a couple of the earlier posters in that I get the sense Price is starting to believe some of his own media hype a little too much. Halak is barely 1yr older than Carey, not exactly a wealth of extra experience, and yet I get the sense watching each of them play that Halak wants to be there whereas Carey just figures he should be there. There is also a definite difference when Jaro gets scored on vs. when Carey gets scored on, the reaction from the crease to the bench is alltogether different for each guy.
I don't wish any ill-will towards Carey, however he needs to spend some time riding the pine so he can focus on getting his game to a level where he is playing NHL-caliber hockey on a consistent basis, because right now Halak brings more effort and energy each start than Price does.