TruthMonger
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Look what Nashville paid for Forsberg last year!
Nashville gave up a 3rd line forward, a minor league defenceman, and 1st and 3rd round picks. It's a fair amount, but not exactly earth-shaking.
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Why is it up to Ryder to make Koivu productive? I thought it was the other way around.
All Koivu can do for Ryder is make the tape-to-tape pass to give him a chance at an empty net one-timer. And he does that. Koivu, no matter how hard he may try, just isn't fast enough to then skate over to Ryder and push his stick forward at the right time to complete the play. Koivu is, and always has been a playMAKER. He needs to paired with good finishers. Higgins has slowed of late but but had generally done the job. Ryder has not converted his chances, as evidenced by his 8% shooting.
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To get Hossa out of Atlanta, the Habs would have to give up, something like Komisarek, A. Kostitsyn and a 1st round pick and a second round pick.
To get Eric Cole out of Carolina, the Habs would have to give up: Higgins, McDonagh, a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick.
To get N Zherdev out of Columbus, the Habs would have to give: S. Kostitysn, and (Yemelin or Valentanko or O'Byrne) and a 1st round pick.
These trade are just as ridiculous from the pespective of giving up too much. For Hossa, un upcoming unrestricted free-agent, no team would expect to receive a top-pairing defenceman, a 1st or 2nd line forward and two high draft picks. If he had three years left on his contract, then MAYBE they would have the balls to ask for that much.
Look at the Forsberg deal last year. That deal cost Nashville a 3rd line forward, a minor league defenceman, and 1st and 3rd round picks.
Ryan Smyth cost the Islanders a first round pick, a minor league centre, and a minor league winger (now playing with Edmonton).
The Habs got pending unrestriced free agent Alex Kovalev for Josef Balej.
Hossa is better than these guys but I doubt that he and his off-year would cost more as a rental than something equivalent to Chipchura, O'Byrne and a pick (not that I would necessarily make that deal). If you choose to use the Forberg deal as a model (since he was pretty healthy when he was traded), it would be more like Lapierre, O'Byrne and a 1st and 3rd.
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I do not agree with this move at all. Chipchura and Price both played well for the Habs.
I don't see how we can trade Halak. Won't it be tough to sign Huet after this season? He's getting older and has largely proven himself over the last 3 years. I assume he's going to want a lucrative 4 year deal. I don't think we can commit to 4 years if we expect Price to be our next goalie. And I don't think the team wants to put all eggs in the Price basket. But having two young, inexpensive options like Price and Halak next year should cover us in case one doesn't pan out...
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That was the best cartoon series in the history of Television!
I loved G.I. Joe...I couldn'T get enough of it!
I was a big fan of Stormshadow (the Cobra ninja) he was sooooooooooooo cool!
I think i'm gonna download some old episodes!
Why was it that whenever they were shooting at human enemies with that giant hail of laser bullets, nobody could manage to score even a flesh-would, but whenever they had to opportunity to take on the Battle Android Troopers (BATs) it was nothing but pin-point head-shots?
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From what he said, it doesn't look like he'll be out searching for a big trade, although he'd of course go for it if it fell in to his lap. He'll be looking for some veteran centerman who can win face-offs, if anyone. Think Brian Smolinski. :zzz:
As discussed in a previous thread, face-offs are a little bit of a red-herring stat. Yes, at 48% we're 27th in the league. So in an average game with about 50 face-offs, we are currently winning 24. As of yesterday, a 50% winning percentage (25/50)would have put us in 12th place overall, which I'm sure would be seen as satisfactory. I really hope we don't pull a trade so that we can win one more face-off per game.
And if people really want to make the case that we need someone who can win a face-off in a key situation, Saku is in the top-20 of regular face-off guys (less than one percentage point out of the top 10).
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Sorry I don't have time to search the thread for you but I was laughed at for suggesting him on this team this soon.
Oh, ANd just for the record I predicted the Habs by 3 over the Caps.
Beat that !
Making the team this soon was a bit of a surprise. I'll give you credit if you made that call. I was just commenting on the fact that you said you were laughed at for sayng that he would one day make it. Everyone thought he would make it at some point.
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I know some will say Locke is a bust. I got the same last year when I dared saying Chips would one day make it.
Dared? That's a stretch. Everyone thought Chipchura would make it. Literally from the day he was drafted in the first round he was referred to as a potential future captain. He's always been considered one of the 10 best prospects in the organization. You correctly suggesting that he would make the team in no way lends credibility to the Locke suggestion. Locke has always been considered a long shot because he's small and doesn't skate well. He was drafted late despite monster years in the OHL because his skill weren't seen as tranferable. He's never even cracked our top-20 prospects on hockeysfuture.com. Now, if you turn out to be right about Locke, THEN you'll have credibility for your next wild prediction.
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Still, seeing how effective we are when we gain the zone, I'd really like to see us get better at faceoffs. It would probably improve our 5-on-5 play considerably.
There's no harm in doing better, but I doubt that winning 25/50 faceoffs (or even a top-10 worthy 26/50) will improve play considerably over our current 24/50.
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After my glowing assessment, I thought I'd mention one of the things that really bugs me out the habs: they are 28th in team faceoff %.
I think the fact that the Habs have one of the lowest faceoff win percentages yet still manage to win games demonstrates how meaningless this stat is. It's not like the difference between the top and bottom teams is 40 percentage points (it's about 8%). So the Habs win 47.4% of their faceoffs, which is 2.6% below the league average. This means that for every 100 times the ref drops the puck, the Habs are losing 2 or 3 more than they should. Assuming about 50 faceoffs per game, we are losing about one more than we need in order to be average and for this to be a non-issue. Big deal.
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Definitely agree Gretzky was overrated for all the reasons you listed.
I have a hard time buying into the notion that Gretzky was overrated or that he was a product of his surrounding cast. HE was the one who made the people around him stars. Here are some interesting numbers to demonstrate the depth of skill and what he brought to the early Oilers.
In '80-81' he has 165 points, which was 89 points more than the next best on the team, Kurri.
In '81-'82' he had 212 points, which was 107 better than the next best on the team, Glenn Anderson, and he had 42 goals more than the next best Oiler (Messier).
In '82-'83' he had 196 points, which was 90 points better than the next best on the team, Messier.
In '83-'84' he had 205 points, which was 79 better than the next best on the team, Coffey.
In '84-'85' he had 208 points, which was 73 better than the next best on the team, Kurri.
In '85-'86' he had 215 points, which was 77 better than the next best on the team, Coffey.
In '86-'87' he had 183 points, which was 75 better than the next best on the team, Kurri.
The truth is, while there was more scoring in the 80's, it wasn't like every player was getting 150 points a season. The overall scoring numbers weren't that far off from where they are now....with the exception of Gretzky (and a couple of Lemieux seasons near the end of the decade).
From 1981-1987, Gretz beat the second highest scorer in the entire league by 65, 72, 79, 73, 64, 75. These numbers are unfathomable by today's standards.
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I'm pretty sure it's not Stéphane Richer. Richer was our last 50 goal scorer, but I do know that Bellows had 40 goals in 1993. I think Damphousse might've scored 40 in the mid 90's?
Yeah, it was Vinny in '93-'94.
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Markov
Komisarek
Harmlik
Streit
Bouillon
Brisebois
Dandenault
Gorges
That makes 8 D, and thats not even counting any minor leaguers. So who get's kicked out of Montréal now?
Last year, we had 8 defencemen who played at least 41 games with the team (Markov, Souray, Rivet, Bouillon, Streit, Komisarek, Niinima, and Dandeneault). Injuries, illness and benchings mean there's plenty of work to go around, even if no one gets traded. Not to say that it's impossible someone gets traded if they feel that O'Byrne can contribute...
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I'm guessing Murray is gone and Lahti will remain, but as you said, that's just a cut-and-paste of similar numbers.
Nice job on this, by the way. Love having the running total.
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Why wouldn't Smolinski be a better first line center then Koivu. I haven't seen Koivu win any important face offs.
And you've seen Smolinki win enough faceoffs to justify him playing 1st line over a guy who can score 30 more points? Last I checked the team with the most goals was credited with the win, not the one with the most faceoff victories.
In any case, Koivu comes up better on either measure. Of the 140+ centres who averaged at least 3 faceoffs per game in 2007, Koivu was 22nd with a winning % of almost 55 percent. Smolinski was tied with a whack of others in 50-60th place with a winning percentage of 51%.
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That looks like it took a lot of work. Saskhab has been doing a great job with the rolling total in this thread:
http://forums.habsworld.net/index.php?show...11474&st=60
You can't spend up to the cap limit or you won't be able to bring up an injury replacement, let alone have the flexibility to make deadline deals. You should assume that the team will remain at least $2 million under the limit.
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the infinity of missed shots and opportunities he had last season (as usual)
I'm no Ryder apologist (he's a defensive liability), and I would be fine if we packaged him with a young player/prospect for Marleau, but I find the notion that he misses more chances than other people hard to back up statistically. Everyone misses the net at times, especially when you're a goal scorer and you're trying to hit that top-right corner. Among players who had more than few games played, he was third on the team in shooting percentage in each of the last two years (Koivu was #1 last season and Higgins was #1 the year before). That's hardly embarrassing.
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I wouldn't mind Marleau..but to be honest...I think Kostitsyn has made the cut, and so has Corey Locke for this upcoming season.....Marleau is alright.....but if theres one guy who never quits.....its Scott Gomez.....I just think he would be such a perfect fit in Montreal....Can a statiscian PLEASE give me gomez's stats while playing in Montreal? the PPG average is pretty damn good...surpassing briere, Marleau...or any other UFA.....PLEASE....I need these stats in comparison!
Locke? He'll need a miracle to make the team out of camp. Chipchura, Kostitsyn, Grabovski all have a leg up on a player the organization acknowledges isn't a good skater.
Any statistician worth their salt will tell you that games played by Gomez in Montreal is too small a sample size to have any meaning in a statistical analysis, and any hockey fan can tell you that the number of points a player gets playing against Montreal in Montreal is meaningless in trying to determine how many points he will get playing for Montreal. None of this to suggest that I wouldn't want him on the team.
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Why are we wasting one of only two buyouts we're allowed to be paying at a time on a guy making $750,000 next year ($700,000 against the cap)? If we buy out both, it means next summer we don't have that option avialble to us on any of our contracts. That's why Chicago didn't buy out Cullimore or Salmalienen themselves, because they couldn't. They still have Curtis Brown and Matthew Barnaby as buyouts they have to pay off.
Just wondering if this is actually a rule. I've heard it mentioned before (probably on here), but I was just going through the NHL Collective Bargaining Agreement and could find no mention of the two buyout rule. The only thing close was the rule that during the life of the agreement, teams could only buy out three players outside of the normal buyout period, provided that team has had at least two guy go through arbitration (and that whole scenario doesn't apply here).
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If he did he could give Souray a 4 million deal in year one, and 5 million in year two and a 6 in year three. It's still 15 over 3 but it would open up more UFA cap bubble money for the team this year.
That's not how it works. The cap hit each year is the yearly average of the contract. So even if it was $1 million in year one, then 5 million, then 9 million, the cap value each year would be 5 million.
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In case this wasn't already posted...
Early picks for the awards...Vezina for Huet.
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This is where our lack of good young D really comes back to hurt us.
The lack of depth at C is killing us too. I'd say, 'get rid of Bonk,' but really, how would we replace him??
Emelin/Yemelin is an option for the near future. http://hockeysfuture.com/prospect/alexei_yemelin
And as for replacing Bonk...if you want a defensive minded center with character, Chipchura seems close to ready.
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allow these players to have decent ice time even if it's only on the fourth line.
They may make a trade, but injuries to starters make available playing time an inevitability. I was looking at number of games played over the past couple of seasons, and ignoring the 12 forwards with the most playing time (in theory, the starters), about 120 and 160 games were played by the bench guys. That's a full season of games for two guys or a reasonable number of games for 3 guys.
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I didn't mean to imply that he was a career minor leaguer...just that he was playing in the minors at the time of the deal (and was not a proven NHL player). You could make a case that a similar deal from the Habs would be Lapierre, Fischer and the picks, which is a lot, but not an unholy amount.