Lovett's Magnatones
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2 hours ago, Scott462 said:
Rumour has it, Radulov has already signed for 3 years with the Habs.
Laraque apparently.
I have a hard time believing he signed for three years...
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15 hours ago, DON said:
I listened to him and brain smarts does not seem his strong suit. Who knows, he may play top 4 in Buffalo, do fine and improve as he gets older?
DON doesn't like N8 because management didn't like N8.
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22 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
What made the seguin deal so stupid, was that the bruins made almost the same friggin deal and decision with Thornton. They also were focused on the right friggin "culture' that MB keeps harping on.
When you move an ELITE player based on factors other than skill, talent and ability you generally lose the deal.
And what nobody ever talks about is that the team is responsible for creating that culture.
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We all knew this trade was coming. N8 had very low value. Forget about the "woulda, coulda, shoulda." His best year was this year, and he was benched in the final game of the playoffs. Twenty-eight points and a lot of braincramps doesn't fetch much of a return, especially coupled with the expansion draft. The decision was a third, or maybe nothing.
I think it was a big mistake to protect Benn over Beaulieu. He had twenty-odd games of steady play before he fell apart in a top-4 role in the playoffs. To me, Jordie Benn is another Josh Gorges. Sometimes in life we become enamored with a discount, and I bet by the middle of next year we won't be as impressed with a 2.5 million dollar dman at 1.1 million.
This is a malpractice in player development. I'm interested in seeing what Phil Housley can do with Beaulieu. I think he can become a top-4 guy. That wasn't going to happen in Montreal under the questionable auspices of JJ Daigneault, Syvlain Lefebvre, Michel Therrien, and Patrice Briesbois. Talk about a shit development team. Say out loud, "our dman are being developed by" and add in those four names. It doesn't even sound plausible. Plus, when you add in he was played behind Douglas Murray, Francis Bouillon, and Mike Weaver, it shouldn't be surprising that things turned out the way they did.
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4 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
If Weber would have been on the Predators this season, he would have been their leader on the back end throughout the playoffs. There's no doubt about it in my mind.
Call it whatever it is but they are different players and there's not necessarily anything wrong with the old boy's mentality...
A. Then why didn't it happen the 10 years he was on the team? They never even made the conference finals.
B. Canada is winning because of personnel, plain and simple. If they could field two team, the final game would likely be Canada A vs Canada B. They weren't so hot in the mid-1990s and that's when they fuddy-duddyed their way into rosters with Rob Zamuner and put Ray Bourque out for a penalty shot instead of the greatest player of all-time.
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2 hours ago, JoeLassister said:
I can back that statement.
Among my circle of friends, I'd say that about 50% of them despite the trade (including me).20 % are meh.
A good 30% absolutely love the trade. A good chunk of them dislike PK Subban to begin with. They fully agree that he was a distracton and trading him was the thing to do. They put PK in the same category as Chad Ochocinco.
PK is about PK, no doubt about it. But his marketing efforts wouldn't be an issue in any other sports. But they are, and he still persists, so there's that.
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3 hours ago, Jeff Price (no relation) said:
I'm an English fan and I don't think the trade was asinine. I think it favored Nashville, slightly, due to the three year age gap, but that Weber is a better D-Man than Subban right now. He won't be in 3 more years...
Nah. PK is much, much more dynamic than Weber, and we saw his shutdown skills in the playoffs this year. The problem is the paradigm of hockey fans, and especially the Canuck Old Boys Network. Weber fits their archetype for what a defenseman should be. PK blows him out of the water in every aspect of the game besides PPGs.
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2 hours ago, dlbalr said:
I don't remember the exact quote but didn't Bergevin say at the trade deadline presser that he wouldn't move a top prospect (ie, Sergachev) for a short-term fix? With a six year deal, Drouin is hardly a short-term fix. (Or was there a presser after that where he said he wasn't moving Sergachev?)
Who knows? Between the blockbuster deals and the tenuous relationship with the truth, he's starting to remind me of our President.
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I have to say, this is excellent asset management by MB. He traded Sergachev at the highest value during his prospect years. If the years go on and the warts appear, he'll be worth less and less. I haven't seen much of him, but I do know that McAvoy and Chychrun are already in the league. Besides his skating, Sergachev didn't really do it for me.
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5 hours ago, DON said:
My feeling exactly!
A French 3rd overall pick will make locals happy and I cant say I hate the deal.
Yep
Winners:
HabsNation Hoi Polloi
French Media
Losers:
Radulov
Galchenyuk
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10 hours ago, illWill said:
Self explanatory. This is the place to go to blow off some steam about how much you hate management and think they are stupid. We can talk about how much better we are than them and what great moves we would make if in those positions. Or if you'd like, perhaps we could come up with nicknames for them. I bet they will be funny at first, but we shouldn't overuse them because we don't want it to get too annoying in here. And don't worry about derailing every post, because every post will be about our incompetent management!
I'll start it off
I still hold a grudge against Julien from his Boston days.
Whatever is going on down in the AHL needs to change
I dislike some of Bergevin's suits, especially the ones with pinstripes.
I wish Molson didn't care about the language of a head coach.
I'm starting to lose faith in Timmins.
Has anybody ever seen Dudley?
Good point on Timmons. Back in 2011-2013, there was almost a Carey Price level of "Timmons Bots" burping up his record of stealing players with 5th round picks and the number of players he's drafted that made the NHL.
So what happened? This is a chicken-and-egg scenario where the development team, or so they call themselves, can be blamed as well. Trading picks doesn't help as well, though he made it work under Gainey and Gauthier. My knock on Timmons is that he's never been able to draft the bigger players. Whiffs all around, especially on first rounders.
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5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I think Lovett was being sardonic...referencing MB's statement a few years ago about Lars Eller being a guy who "helps you win the in the playoffs"
The Capitals thought as much!
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3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Yes indeed. Trading Price means entering a rebuild. Au contraire, this team is all in on this core, having idiotically chosen to shorten its Cup window by 3-4 years in order to acquire Old Man Weber. We have perhaps three years in which to win it all before decline means diminishing returns. I have almost zero faith that this group will ever win anything, but that's beside the point; there is no way in hell Team Fuddy Duddy is going to rebuild at this point. (Indeed, my guess is that the Habs will be one of those teams that resists 'rebuilding' long beyond the point where the need for it has become crashingly obvious. After all, they can't develop talent anyway).
They won't, and shouldn't be able to rebuild the team. If the five year plan is a failure, Team Fuddy Duddy is a failure. I imagine if Price doesn't resign and the Habs don't make it out of the first round, Bergevin will be fired. We're getting into that dangerous territory where GMs feel the pressure and start making bad trades and signings to save their jobs. Gautier is the best example.
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1 hour ago, dlbalr said:
He doesn't really fit that 'vision' though. Anisimov wasn't with the Blackhawks until 2015, long after Bergevin left.
He gets teams through the playoffs.
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3 hours ago, Commandant said:
Price's deal won't gum up the works.
Paying 10 million to Plekanec and Emelin (both deals end after this year)... those are the types of deals that gum up the works.
I have no problem overpaying for actual talent.
He's older, he's been hurt, and even though it's not his fault, the team hasn't won with him and isn't close to winning with him. They don't have to kiss the ring like Chicago did with Kane and Toews. Frankly, I don't see the problem with signing an average goalie until McNiven or Lindgren are ready. In the next two or three year, they aren't winning either way.
Plus, I'm biased. I've seen this movie play out, where an elite goalie that lights it up in the regular season but never finds the extra gear in the playoffs signs a deal from now until the Barron Trump presidency...it's not pretty.
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3 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said:
Of course it is. You are trying to get the first overall pick. What you think they are going to settle on a 26th overall pick drafted in 2015 with no real accolades?
If they want a top defenceman they can just trade down with a team around eighth overall and get extra to go with an 18 year old that's best in their draft.
I'm expecting Bergevin to look for a reclamation project to fill the top six centre role. That way he doesn't lose a high prospect.
Maybe Artem Anisomov? Not exactly a reclamation project, but he fits MB's Chicago 2009-2012 worshipping vision of the league. Eric Staal is another name I thought of.
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On 6/12/2017 at 11:30 AM, ehjay said:
I don't think CP31 should sign anything less then what PK got. Would make him highest paid goalie in league and leave some for someone else. Pay the man fair (well, for his talent and league he plays in) wage for what he brings to the team, on and off the ice. Does his namesake not also sell a Bunch of jerseys? If we forget the good works he does with breakfast for kids and equipment and so on and so on. He doesn't take (anymore) dumb pics to get post on the interweb and seems to represent not only the Habs well but his community and country too. Pay the Man! imo
The Habs need to let Price walk after the end of next season, or trade him this summer, if he's looking for a maximum deal in the range of 10-12 million. Teams like Chicago can give out major deals with the justification of keeping the band together for 2-3 more serious runs. The Habs still have major holes, and a huge Price deal will gum up the works for free agency. There's also the elephant in the room that with almost a decade of Carey Price, the team hasn't won anything. I don't see how an also ran with nothing to show for a quarter century has any business giving out that kind of deal to a goalie of all people.
I think after next year, if they can't get out of the first round, or aren't competitive in round two that they need to consider starting over again.
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Nashville looked a lot like the Habs on the powerplay lady night. Cycle it around the perimeter and try to fire it through the net.
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10 hours ago, habs rule said:
Siemens may not be qualified so no need to trade for him. It seems the Avs have kinda given up on him.
I can see why. 24 points in 200 AHL games, and his hockeydb.com picture looks like an unshowered pervert, or somebody on drugs.
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32 minutes ago, illWill said:
the magical GM wand and make it happen they say
We really need one of those, but alas, they aren't available.
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On 5/31/2017 at 4:34 PM, xXx..CK..xXx said:
I would never support the idea of the Habs tanking but I don't really think there are teams out there who go into a year and plan this as a method.
I would argue Buffalo did to get McDavid. There's no way they looked at that roster and thought "we can win tonight." Their loss in the lottery would have been awesome if it weren't for Edmonton.
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1 hour ago, Machine of Loving Grace said:
It was also Trotz trying to pull a Sullivan and have three offensive lines. If Ovechkin is playing with Eller, linematching him opens up Oshie/Backstrom/Kuz etc. and Pittsburgh was a weak defensive team. It just didn't work because Ovechkin was hurt.
That explains it. Lars Eller. End the post-mortem.
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17 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I give you that they have wall to wall coverage, but you only have to put up with Cherry for 2 or minutes. That baboon Milbury is on throughout the friggin broadcast. I drove around NYC a lot today and was listening to the NHL Satellite radio during the day. ALL day long they were talking about Subban. It was pretty funny. If some of the folks here who complain about the Suban-Weber trade still being talked about on the forum listened to the broadcast, they'd probably slit their wrist. Almost every conversation led to some mention or discussion about Subban.
Yep. Milbury is the big star, and Pierre is on during the games. It infuriates many.
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53 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I've bee in NYC for the past 1 1/2 weeks, so have to watch NBC. My god, how is Mike Milbury a main Analyst??? It is painful to listen to his gibberish, with the other clown (Keith Jones??)
I think they're trying to match more abrasive personalities from Canada like Don Cherry, PJ Stock, or Glen Healy. Keith Jones is the "straight man" of the broadcast. It's actually pretty good coverage compared with the smaller/medium sized markets in the US. The Bruins have excellent coverage, but the rest of the league, especially teams under Fox Sports, are really struggling. Arizona, Dallas, and Columbus have coverage in the same league as the CHL.
Keep Galchenyuk!
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Beavuilier might be a stud. I saw him play down here and I was really impressed. Fast, shifty, and edgy.