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  1. A lot of the decision houle made were horrible.

    Period.

    I think Beckham is just trolling,

    On that note, I leave you with an interesting piece of anthology.

    Canadiens acquire C Linden from Isles, sign him to 4-year deal

    MONTREAL (Ticker) -- The Montreal Canadiens, who traded away leaders Mark Recchi and Vincent Damphousse during a rebuilding season, today acquired a character player, Trevor Linden, from the New York Islanders for the 10th pick in the upcoming draft.

    The Canadiens then signed Linden to a four-year contract at undisclosed financial terms.

    "I was thrilled," Linden said this afternoon via conference call. "The chance to come back to Canada was something that I value and I value playing in the city of Montreal. Part of the trade was me committing for four years, and that's what we did. A stipulation of Montreal acquiring me was to sign a new contract. There was no problem with that. Once we put our heads together, things happened quickly."

    The 6-4, 210-pound Linden would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency after next season. Instead, the 29- year-old, who made $2.5 million in a one-year deal this season, decided to stay in Montreal for four seasons.

    "We will have about the same payroll as last year,"

    Canadiens general manager Rejean Houle said. "Letting go Damphousse and Recchi this year, we freed up some money. We would like to make our budget about the same.

    "We hope that we'll sign (goaltender) Jeff Hackett and (defenseman) Stephane Quintal. By signing Trevor we feel that the message is clear and that we are showing we will compete with the other teams in the league."

    Linden was a holdout from New York during training camp. By dealing him, the cost-conscious Islanders kept their payroll down and got a second pick in the top 10. Their own selection is fifth.

    "The situation in New York is a tough one," Linden admitted before talking about what it means to wear the legendary Canadiens' sweater. "I equate playing for the Montreal Canadiens like playing in baseball for the New York Yankees. I've had a lot of my friends call me to congratulate me."

    The Canadiens own the Philadelphia Flyers' second-round pick and Houle said there was little chance of Montreal making a trade to get back into the first round.

    "I will see," he said. "When we acquired (Dainius) Zubrus, we acquired a first-round pick that already played two years in the NHL. We have Philadelphia's second pick this year, but I don't see how we will get a first-round pick this year."

    With the departures of Damphousse, the former captain, and Recchi, Linden would appear to be a good candidate to wear the "C" fo the Canadiens. He was the long-time captain of the Vancouver Canucks and served in the same role during his stint on Long Island.

    Linden was acquired from the Canucks in February 1998 for left wing Todd Bertuzzi, defenseman Bryan McCabe and a 1998 third-round pick. He played all 82 games last season but put up a disappointing 47 points on 18 goals and 29 assists. He was minus-14 in his 11th NHL season.

    Coach Alain Vigneault is not yet sure about Linden's role with his new club.

    "Trevor's an outstanding hockey player that's going to bring a lot to our team," Vigneault said. "I (spoke) briefly with Trevor earlier this afternoon, but we have not discussed his role with this team. He's played a lot of different positions and he's used to it. We will use him in a lot of different places."

    In 1997-98, Linden combined for 17 goals and 21 assists in 67 games. He spent his first nine seasons with Vancouver and served as captain from 1991 until stepping aside in favor of Mark Messier on the eve of the 1997-98 season opener.

    Linden, who also served as president of the NHL Players Association, remains second on the Canucks' all time scoring list with 247 goals and 322 assists in 702 games. In 809 NHL games, he has 275 goals and 358 assists.

    His stats on the next two season would become:

    1999-00 50 13 17 30 -3

    2000-01 57 12 21 33 -2

    Now that was an overrated player if there was one:

    1998:

    Canucks get: Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and 3rd round pick (Jarkko Ruutu)

    Islanders get: Trevor Linden

    1999:

    Islanders get: 1st round pick (Branislav Mezei)

    Montreal get: Trevor Linden

    2001:

    Washington gets: Trevor Linden, Dainius Zubrus and 2nd pick (became Andreas Holmqvist at Tampa Bay)

    Montreal gets: Richard Zednik, Jan Bulis and 1st pick (Perezhogin)

    2002:

    Vancouver gets: Trevor Linden and 2nd choice (2002) (Denis Grot)

    Washington gets: 1st pick 2002 (Boyd Gordon) and 3rd pick 2003 (nobody cares)

    damn... he sure made people move

  2. Hello ppl.

    I don't know for you, but I'm really eager for rookie practice game news.

    Seems like I've found some.

    There are really good descriptions from canadiens fans who went to the panthers vs canadiens game

    here.

    Here are what I've found to be the most interesting posts:

    Player numbers from yvan74

    Goalies

    30 Lacasse

    31 Price

    41 Halak

    Defense

    34 Marcotte

    54 Dawson

    57 Lavallee

    67 Benoit

    72 bisaillon

    80 Dulac-Lemelin

    87 Sanford

    forwards

    28 Chipchura

    29 D'Agostini

    40 Lapierre

    47 Kostitsyn

    48 Lambert

    53 Urquhart

    59 Tardif

    61 Bonneau

    63 Lemieux

    64 Deblois

    68 Mikus

    70 Stewart

    74 Melanson

    78 Aubin

    84 Latendresse

    Description from Stephan_Latulippe

    Hey I am back from the game!!!

    I will do my best to give you my impression of the players. I did not take any notes so I will you my memory.

    Halak: Very weak on the first 2 goals. On the first one, lost the puck after an easy save in his circle. The second one was a weak wrist shot from a FLA player. He had a very good third period and made some good gloves saves.

    Dawson: Did not notice him. Had a fight with Legault but he did not really want to drop the gloves

    Lavallee: Huge! Best d-man for the Habs during the first 2 period. In the third, he was beaten 3 times by players coming to his right while skating backward.

    Benoit: Nice vision. Nice passes, Was caught looking on the first Florida goal.

    Bisaillon: For me, he was the most impressive d-man on the Habs roster and scored the winning goal from the blueline in OT.

    Dulac: Nice but did not stand out.

    Sanford: Seemed out of place.

    Chip: Was caught looking on the third Florida goal. Invisble during the first period. Made some nice passes to Lambert in the second and in the third was the Habs best player with two nice dishes to Lambert who hitted the cross bar.

    D'Agostina: Nice vision, very good player and played with Chip. Created some good opportunities.

    Lapierre: BEST habs player!!! What a game he played. After his second shift, Florida players were chasing him on the ice! We found a real pest and the kid can play hockey to. He gave at least one body check per shift and created some very nice scoring opportunities for his teamates.

    Lambert: NHL shot already! Scored a hell of a goal from a nice dish from Latendresse. He will play in Hamilton this year.

    Urquart: Did not notice him.

    Tardif: Had a nice first period delivering some good body check. Invisible after that.

    Bonneau: A fight on his second shift! Was on the ice during the last minute of the third period and seem to be able to play hockey.

    Lemieux: A goal and nice vision

    Deblois: Played in the first. Second did not see him. Third missed the net on a good scoring opportunity.

    Mikus: A lot of talent. Nice speed and very good vision. Good accelaration.

    Latendresse: He threw at least one body check per shift!!! Always in a good position in front of the net. Very dangerous. Good backcheck. Slow to start when he is stopped on the ice but after he is ok!

    Kots: Hold his own but nothing fancy!

    Habs THREE STARS:

    1- Maxim Lapierre

    2- Sebastien Bisaillon

    3- Kyle Chipchura

    I was seated in section 116, center ice, facing the players bench. Did not see any other posters! I spoke with Dany Dube and he was enjoying Lapierre as well! Saw Andre Savard, Timmins and Gauthier. Asked Savard about Bisaillon and he liked what he saw from the kid!!!

    Description from sevil

    just got back from the game and will be going tomorrow...

    the first period was awful maybe nerves or rust or not knowing each other but the shots were like 17 - 6 for florida..

    what i liked...chips, latendre and kevin lavallee (sorry for spelling but i am tired and doing this quickly) chips comes out of every corner with the puck, lats is just a solid player everywhere he needs to be and both surprised me with their skating neither looked like ward not once..lavallee is fast and dependable and knows where to be and how to get a partner out of a jam.

    chips and lats would both get A's for tonite

    J bonneau is like begin...full of energy in your face and skates as fast as any and was willing to defend the youngsters when in trouble

    kostityn needs to mature..game was passing him by seemed lost all gain..

    Halak looked very shakey and almost every shot gave up huge rebounds...

    mikus is very fast but pushed off the puck alot..but good playmaker..

    everyone else just seemed normal no highlights no lowlights...

    if i were to pick NHLers...chips and lats..in 3 years both make the nhl as powerforwards... and thats about it..

    one thing i liked about the team they are large...smallest guy on the roster (fds,d and goalies) was 5-11 and everyone else was over 6

    got chatting with Timmins...look for pherezhogin to be on the top two lines in montreal (big club) for a fair shake to start the season (15 games) he was described as perhaps the most dynamic player on the team and the one to be the biggest impact player..

    also added to watch for kostitsyn to make club for a trial run has an amazing shot to go with perez playmaking and both players are extremely fast..

    one last thing...tonites game was fast...no red line no clutching no grabbing

    2 fights and the tag up offsides helps keeps the game fast and moving.

    going to everygame so i will let you know how things go..

    (was kinda looking forward to a shootout)

    yes we won in o.t

    sevil

    yeah i forgot about lapierrie..he was good..carried the play alot i would like to see a line built around him for the next game

    Description from Fuzz

    My impressions of today's game:

    I was surprized by the fast pace. Both teams were a little tentative in the first period and the Habs rookies looked a little confused which is quite normal for a first game after only a couple days of practice. The Panthers got off to a 2-1 lead after 20 min. Benoit scored the Habs' goal on the PP. He took a wrist shot from the blue line that deflected on a d-man (they gave the goal to Bisaillon for some reason).

    The last 2 periods and OT were much better as guys started clicking and created more scoring chances. Both teams scored once in the 2nd. Francis Lemieux scored for the Habs after his line put a lot of pressure down low. Him, Lapierre and D'Agostini play a very solid game, especially on the forecheck. They had a lot of speed and were often first on the puck down low.

    The Habs came out strong in the 3rd and Lambert scored with a beauty of a shot over the goalies' shoulder. Bisaillon score in OT on a gift from the Panthers' goalie on an inoffensive slap shot from the blue line.

    Some comments on some players:

    Halak - Very quick and covers the bottom of the net very well. A little weak with the glove hand on the first goal, as he gave a juicy rebound after a glove save. Not very effective controling the puck. Good positionning and had a strong 2nd half.

    Chipchura This is the first time I see him play and he was excatly what I expected ( thank to the reports from HFers!). He was the captain. That guy is very strong on the puck and along the boards. Wins a majority of his battles and regulary comes out of a corner with the puck. Uses his body very well to shield and protect the puck. His skating is decent but not great. His great positional play makes up for it though.

    Lapierre Impressed me a lot. Great forechecking all night, broke up a bunch of plays and created turn overs. Gritty with good speed and size. As mentioned, got under of few people's skin.

    Latendresse Played center all night ( isn't he a RW in junior?) and played a good game. Very strong on the body and he his very strong. Dished out some solid checks and went to the front of the net, deflecting a couple of shots. His skating isn't bad at all but he could stand to have better take-off speed.

    Francis Lemieux Along with Lapierre, I though he was the best habs offensively. Very good speed and didn't mind getting in close quarters and fight for the puck. They both complemented each other very well.

    Lambert He does have a very good shot and good speed. However, he was very week along the boards and would often lose the puck if challenged physically.

    Description from Toughstuff

    Hello guys. Just came back from the rink. Left after the first period of the Leafs and Canes rookie game.

    Average age of the leafs was around 23-24 and it showed on the ice. Can't wait to see how the HABS' rookie match up.

    HABS victory 4-3 in OT.

    Only got their middle of the first (Corel Center so f*****g far away) and the score was already 2-1 for Panthers. I found the pace to be very slow. Very little hitting. Here are my comments:

    Halak: Looked very solid from the time I got their to the end. He received something like 47 shots. He is the main reason why the HABS won.

    Chipchura: He impressed me last year. I was not disappointed today. Same old same old. Very hard worker. Very calm presence on the ice. He did not show that much offense but you can see the potential for decent offense if lined up with decent players.

    Lapierre: He reminds me a lot of Carbonneau with less offensive capabilities but more feistiness. He is a future 4th liner. You will love this guy.

    Milus: I am going on a limb here. I think we got ourselves a pretty good hockey player here. No question about his offensive upside. He was creating things every time he was on the ice. His defense was not that bad. He had the willingness to backckeck but I thought it was more a question of shape. He needs to be stronger and also be in better shape. I have a good vibe on this one. But then again I had a good vibe about Urquart....

    Latendresse: Did not create much on the ice. He did not disappoint but did not impress.

    Kostistyn: Did not have that much icetime. Don't know why. Did not create all that much. On one particular occasion he showed flashes of Andrei but other than that I would not get my hopes to high. He will not be half the player is brother is.

    Dawson: This 6.5'' 220lbs monster is a real woossy. Bailed out big time in a fight against a panther whom I cannot recall the name. It's a shame because he has the build and skates well for a guy is size.

    Last one from 417 to mtl

    Good game, I was kind of hoping for a shootout, but i'll take the win...

    Halak:as previously mentionned, very quick down low, goes from post to post very quickly, gave up a few weak goals, but he faced almost 50 shots tonight! Still needs alot of work but he battles in the net...

    Lavallé:Big guy, great skater, he moves the puck well, takes the body but lacks a bit of hockey sense IMO, He was pretty good, but I also realize he's older than everyone here, which makes me reserve my judgement on him.

    Benoit:Not very tall, but he's solid on his skates, he's very good on the PP as his shots seemed to always hit the net, i was very impressed with his offensive game, he tries defensively but I find he caught flat footed often, doesn't really show at this level but he'd have to be alot better in his own zone to not be a liability.

    Bisaillon:Great game, he threw his body around, didn't always come out on top but I thought he played with alot of heart tonight, i don't see how he was credited with the 1st goal? GWG, not a bad first impression.

    Sandford:Good skater, small and got dominated in his zone, nothing really impressive, didn't stand out in anyway.

    Dulac:Awful last year, just as bad this year...this guy is like a big oaf, he looks lost tripped over himself once and just looked really uncoordinated...bad game maybe, but he was like this last year as well...

    Chipchura:Thought he had an average 1st period but was above average in the 2nd and 3rd, he and Lambert really stepped it up...thoughout though, he was solid positionally, good along the boards and just did his job, he's a very cerebral player. Decent skater but he doens't have that extra gear, and that's going to make the difference between him being a 2nd line center or a 3rd line center.

    Lambert:like Chip, ordinary in the 1st but stepped it up the rest of the game, he's got an NHL caliber shot IMO, and the size and skating as well...but he plays on the perimeter too much...I write him off alot, but if he can show a bit more intensity he could turn into a decent scorer. Pivotal year for him in Hamilton.

    Tardif:Came out in the 1st period with alot of energy, and showed it in spurts the rest of the game, probably the weak link of this line, but he wasn't horrible either.

    Lemieux:Really liked him tonight, also played with alot of heart, drove to the net hard and showed some good vision.

    Lapierre:What a pest, he was a target for some of the Panther players all night, but he never backed down and always finished his checks, matched up vs. Olesz alot and he did a great job. One of the Habs best players tonight.

    D'Agostini:All three of them did a great job of forechecking, and often, D'Agostini was the one in their first, rail thin but he doesn't shy away, needs to put on alot of weight, nothing too great to say about him but he played his role.

    Latendresse: Played center for some reason?... so tell me why he dropped in the draft again? his skating? I saw nothing wrong with his skating, like mentionned, he's not the fastest starter, but he's also 225lbs and 18yrs old, feels so good to have a skilled forward who can also play a physical game, from what I saw today, and given it's not the greatest measuring stick, but I loved how he played tonight, he carried his line and had he been with better linemates he would of stood out even more, his skating isn't even an issue to me right now, I hadn't seen him play before tonight, I read he wasn't the most fleet of foot, but looks like those power skating drills and the loss of body fat have done him some good...had an assist...To tell you the truth, I think Chipchura's skating is more of a concern than Latendresse's perceived one

    Kostitsyn:Started out with some spunk but got drilled a few times and disapeared the rest of the game, don't get me wrong, he didn't back down, but became real shy all of a sudden, you could see he's got skills though.

    Deblois:Had 1 scoring chance and blew it, thought he was the weakest link of the line, showed nothing.

    Urqhart:He's got great size for a centerman and is most comfortable in the offensive zone, but he's strickly a perimeter player, doesn't want to have anything to do with the rough stuff, it's too bad, cause when he is forced to use his strength he can push people around.

    Bonneau: Played the enforcer effectively, chipped the puck of the boards, and he's dramatically improved his skating since last year, I was very disapointed with him last year, but he's improved alot as a hockey player I find, the only negative i can think of is that he doesn't finish his checks, he's a reallly big guy but he doesn't have power in his bodychecks, he leans into people but doesn't eliminate them.

    Mikus:Has a little of the cherry picker syndrome, but he's a real talented player, thing I liked is he initiated alot of contact tonight, he's only 18 but he's got a good frame to put on alot of weight, at 190 he's slim, but not rail thin, as he gets older he'lll fill out, had a few nice scoring chances, and he's a good playmaker, clever passer.

    No notes, this is all from memory, so take it for what it's worth.

    Now, I don't know the policy from linking to other boards. I sure tried to give credit where it is due. Any problems with these kind of post will sure be adjusted in the future :D

    Don't hesitate if you got other info :-^

    [Edited on 2005/9/9 by Capt.Crunch]

  3. I don't know about Komi doing center ice hits. Checks along the boards, yes. But I think he'll concentrate on getting more comfortable with his positional game before attempting that.

    For a true sucessor to Scott (if there can be one), I'd look at Dion Phaneuf.

    Now that man can hit!

  4. No so long ago I made a small research to see where Ryder was situated as far as individual production.

    This morning, I read the excellent article by Louis Garon which mentionned that Ribeiro should "know the best season of his career in order to convince the canadiens hockey staff to offer him a new deal at the end of the season".

    An even better season? He was 30th in the league as far as points produced in the 2003/2004 regular season!

    Maybe it would be a good thing to keep in mind the individual player's production before making a judgement. Of course, numbers aren't everything, but they may help keeping a "perspective" on things.

    So, in this post, I propose to look at the total points, goals, assists and plus/minus average of what *should* be the canadiens two top offensive lines.

    In each category (when applicable), I'll mention their ranks in relation the their NHL peers, the total production, the number matches played and, when applicable, their average per match.

    Points

    best: Martin St-Louis: 94 pts, 1.15 pt per game

    Ribeiro: 30th, 65 pts in 81 games, 0.80 pt per game

    Ryder: 32nd, 63pts in 81 games, 0.77 pt per game

    Koivu: 51st, 55 pts in 68 games, 0.81 pt per game

    Zednik: 82nd, 50 pts in 81 games, 0.62 pts per game

    Kovalev: 108th, 45 pts in 78 games, 0.58 pt per game

    Dagenais 262nd, 27 pts in 50 games, 0.54 per game

    Goals

    best (tied): Kovalchuk and Iginla: 41 goals, 0.51 goal per game

    Zednik: 32nd, 26 goals in 81 games, 0.32 goal per game

    Ryder: 41st, 25 goals in 81 games, 0.31 goal per game

    Ribeiro: 83rd, 20 goals in 81 games, 0.25 goal per game

    Dagenais 117th, 17 goals in 50 games, 0.34 goal per game

    Kovalev: 173rd, 14 goals in 78 games, 0.20 goal per game

    Koivu: 174th, 14 goals in 68 games, 0.21 goal per game

    Assists

    best: (tied) St-Louis: 56 assist and 0.68 assist per game and Gomez: 56 assists and 0.70 assist per game

    Zednik: 153rd, 24 assists in 81 games, 0.30 assist per game

    Koivu: 25th, 41 assists in 68 games, 0.60 assist per game

    Kovalev: 84th, 31 assists in 78 games, 0.40 assist per game

    Dagenais 416th, 10 assists in 50 games, 0.20 assist per game

    Ribeiro: 17th, 45 assists in 81 games, 0.56 assist per game

    Ryder: 35th, 38 assists in 81 games, 0.47 assist per game

    Plus/Minus average

    best: (tied) St-Louis: +35 in 82 games and Marek Malik: +35 in 78 games

    Zednik: 248th, +5 in 81 games

    Koivu: 811th, -5 in 68 games

    Kovalev: 927th, -9 in 78 games

    Dagenais 73rd, +15 in 50 games

    Ribeiro: 74th, +15 in 81 games

    Ryder: 133rd, +10 in 81 games

    Ok... I'd be carefull with the ranking in the +/- category if I were you... Shayne Corson came in 92th with +12 but only played 17 games. Lets say that must have been 17 lucky games. Top 60 is more reliable as the players there looks like they played 50 games +. Rankings after 60 starts to come apart.

    Kovalev in 927 because there are a ton of players which played only a few matches (between 1-10) which raked in between a -5 and a +5 spread in +/- avg.

    There is also the defensive pairings to look upon as this average is counted on the whole line that was on the ice when a goal is made or scored against.

    Now, here comes the weird part:

    If I had to make a judgement based solely on those numbers, without knowing the players involved, I'd come to the conclusion that:

    Koivu is a better playmaker than Ribeiro (0.60 vs 0.56 assist per game). However, Ribeiro is a better scorer (0.25 goals/game vs 0.21) and is better defensively (+15 in 81 vs -5 in 68)

    Kovalev and Ryder are the best wingers in terms of playmaking ability (0.40 ans 0.47 assist/game respectively) but Ryder is a much better scorer (0.31 goals vs 0.20) and much better defensively (+10 in 81 vs -9 in 78th)

    The three best scorers are Dagenais, Zednik and Ryder (0.34, 0.32 ans 0.31 goals per game respectively).

    The best players in overall ability are Ribeiro and Ryder (2nd and 3rd in PTS average, 4th and 3rd in goals, 2nd and 3rd in assists and 1st and 2rd in the +/- avg respectively).

    Dagenais and Zednik don't care that much at making plays, they mostly look for chances to score.

    Koivu and Kovalev are defensive slackers (-5 in 68 ans -9 in 78)

    Kovalev is the worst scorer of the bunch.

    St-Louis is a machine :o

    Ok... that was a long post. Hope you had as much fun reading this than I had making it (it was really a fruitfull exercise for me!)

    Remember, take this with a grain of salt! ;)

  5. But I have faith in Price. He is smarter than most of the people in the organization already, and he will know what to keep and what to throw away, while at the same time making the coaches feel like they are useful.

    What are you, his brother?

    Do you know "most of the people in the organisation"?

    If so, maybe you could tell "most of the people in the organisation" that they are doing a good job in placing your brother under the care of Melanson?

    Kthx

  6. Just off the press.

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/187260.html

    Gainey is confident that Ryder should be at the training camp next week.

    The two group is said to have come to an agreement on the lenght of the contract. The only thing to work out seems to be the salary.

    Ryder is said to ask for a bit more than 1 mil. Gainey qualified the difference as "not that big anymore".

    In other news:

    Zednik is married

    Kovalev looks like a superstar and wants to win the cup

    Bonk is low key and reportedly only knows Bulis and Zednik

    Latendresse is excited lots

    Price learns new stuff

    ...

    Ok... I'll write some more when I learn some ACTUAL hockey matters...

    :P

  7. Depressing.

    :wall:

    Another thing to consider though would be the Habs rough treatement of their rookies.

    I remember an event in (2002-2003) in which an opposing coach made a young Mike Ribeiro part of their "New dangerous player to watch" pre-game speech. Mike had an outstanding game the previous match.

    Well, the "new dangerous player to watch" wasn't even part of the line up!

    Hainsey really made a good showing in 2003-2004's pre-season matches before blundering in the regular. The games I listened on the radio made mention of a young player who made good playmaking decisions at the blue line and that had an increadible shot.

    The player I saw in the regular season seemed to be out of his game, overtly worried of his positional game (at the point of making mistakes) and generally making a fool out of himself.

    Jason Ward had a couple of season where he was amongst the best of his team in scoring (he was at least named the AHL's MVP). I wonder what would have been his potential if he only would have played with decent forwards instead of checking 4th liners. I guess we'll see what happens for him in NY.

    I know you cannot be too carefull with the rookies and that the pre-season matches are usually testing grounds for prospects and line up modification (they can be easier to play in that regard).

    The only thing is that I feel we are really missing out on some of these players we are casting off.

  8. Maybe the fact that Jose Theodore and Michael Ryder got the same agent (Don Meehan) played a part in that.

    I find it pretty believable that Bob got Don got so tied up in Jose's negociations that they didn't really have time to negociate in a serious fashion.

    Personnally, I don't see a big problem in signing Ryder.

    Ryan Malone (25 yr old, 6'4'', 215 pounds, 22 goals and 21 assists, -23 in his rookie year with 81 GP as a LW for the penguins) has been rumured to get between 750 000 and 800 000$ for 1 year.

    Trent Hunter (another calder finalist, 25 yr old RW, 6'3'', 215 pounds, 25 goals and 26 assist, +23 in his rookie year with 77 GP as a RW for the Islanders) got 1 mil/ 1 year.

    I see Ryder asking for a bit more than the Hunter contarct. Bob may offer Malone's contract and want to sign up a multi year deal.

    Michael Ryder is a 25 year old RW, 6' and 196 pounds, got 25 goals, 38 assist and +10 in his rookie year with 81 GP.

    The thing that scramble the data is that Ryder is the only montreal player (with Ribeiro) in the NHL top 50 nhl point list ( http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/Statistics.asp ) for the 2003-2004 regular season. Ribeiro is 30th with 65 pts, Ryder is 32th with 63 pts (between Doug Weight and Todd Bertuzzi!), Saku (the captain) comes in only at 51st with 55 pts.

    Trent hunter is 78th (4 ranks before Zednik). Ryan Malone is 120th.

    However, we have some money left, Ryder's contract is the last to sign and I bet Bob does not want to see him go.

    They will get an agreement.

    (I hope!)

  9. 4 surprises...

    4) Mark Streit brings his leadership and poise at the blue line and becomes a regular.

    3) The addition of bonk transforms the 3rd line from defensive tofu (Dackel-Juneau-Sundstrom anyone?) to an actual two-way line (Bulis-Bonk-perezhogin/dandeneault/ward... anybody but Sundstrom... :wall: )

    2) Hainsey succeeds in surviving the "positional - defensive - makenomistakeoryourasswillbeinhamiltonfasterthanyoucansayDAMN!" rookie phase, gets some offensive leeway, and becomes a strong blueliner pivot.

    The biggest suprise....

    And the longest shot ( :o )

    1) Guillaume Latendresse learns to skate better, pulls a "Ryder", impress the hell out of everyone and becomes a right wing power forward!

    :-^

    Oh yeah!

  10. Originally posted by Peter Puck
    Originally posted by Komisarek the Cruncher

    Trizzak is accurate. The contracts are averaged out over the years of the contract.

    Therefore, 16 M$ over 3 years gives 5.33 M$/year, which is the amount that counts for the cap, eventhough the Habs will only pay him 4.5 M$ this year.

    This is to prevent from boosting a club in one year. For example, signing a good player for 2 years, paying him 2 M$ the 1st year and 8 M$ the 2nd year.

    Does anyone know how this works with respect to trades? For example, with Theodore he will cost us $5.33 million against the cap for each of the next 3 years but in 2007-2008 we will be paying him $6 million. If we trade at the beginning of the 07-08 season him his new team will have to pay him $6 million but am I right in presuming they will have to charge the whole $6 million against their cap?

    Actually, I think not. It would go against the spirit of the rule.

    For those who are wondering, the "averaging" rule is there in order to prevent GMs from fiddling with their cap.

    If you don't average, you can sign Theodore for 16 mil/3 yrs at:

    Yr 1 : 7.5 mil

    Yr 2 : 7.5 mil

    Yr 3: 1 mil

    While it would be a weird setup and it would allow you to take the brunt of the costs for the first 2 yrs and let you sign a couple of big free agents in anticipation of yr 3 (you charge 1 mil against your cap and load the free space with mercenaries).

    Lets say you do average it up (5.3 mil/yr) and trade him before yr 3 to Tampa Bay.

    Letting TB assume only the rest of the contract (1 mil) would be a strong advantage in a trade.

    As a matter of fact, you can seriously screw the system up because you only took 5.3 mil against your cap for the first 2 yrs and you are trading this guy to another team at 1 mil against THEIR cap for the 3rd year. All in all, only 11.6 out of 16 mil would be accounted for.

    The logical assumption would be for the contract to be averaged out as a "package" for the entire lenght of the binding agreement.

    So, Theo is costing 5.333 against anybody's cap for the 3 yrs of his contract, regardless of trades or the actual distribution of sums.

    At least, its how I understand it!

    :D

  11. RDS is supposed to broadcast:

    -Toronto vs Montreal (pre-season)on sept 24th at 19h00

    -Boston vs Montreal (pre-season) on sept 27th at 19h30

    I can usually listen to live radio broadcast of pre-season matches on CKAC 730 am (its in french though).

    [Edited on 2005/9/3 by Capt.Crunch]

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