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On 6/22/2017 at 3:20 PM, hab29RETIRED said:
So, just because he criticized Subban, you don't think I'd want a Robinson as a coach?? I've also been critical of some of the things Subban has said or done. That doesn't mean I think trading him for Weber was a good move.
No, but you were critical about how our coach handled Subban and that MT was hired and Larry wasn't. All the while it seems as though Robinson had the exact same mentality as Therrien and would have been no different in the handling of Subban. Do you prefer his face to Therrien's?
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Backstrom is pretty dominant and I wouldn't call him hugely undersized.
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51 minutes ago, Jeff Price (no relation) said:
We have 4 capable lhds, and only two rhds. (At all.)
Most of the posts in this thread have slotted Benn in on the right side but you are right. The issue is that we only have one ideal top 4 on the left compared to two on the right. I think as a result acquiring a top 4 LHD is of more importance than a bottom pairing RHD. Markov could be a top 2 and Benn could slot in the top 4 on the left side but ideally Markov is on the 2nd unit and Benn/Jerabek are on the 3rd. I wanted to like Davidson but I don't trust him.
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The only one I like is Fowler but it also seems that's the least likely to happen. I'd like another LHD who can shoot the puck and put up some points. Alzner doesn't put up the points.
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Good for them. I went to a game a few years ago when they were in Glendale and despite the hate they receive, they have a good fan base.
Decent trade for the Rangers as well if Stepan was as good as a goner. They're likely to get a pretty good player for the future.
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All I know is that a lot of what seems odd to us may stem from conversations that happened behind the scenes. He's a general manager coming into a league and has the opportunity to make good impressions on other GMs out there for future considerations.
I'm not saying you have to be nice in a situation like this but I agree with Machine OLG that McPhee seems to have treated teams "nicely" throughout the process, in general.Maybe teams said something along the lines of "take that guy" from another team and we'll make it worth your while in the future. I get that it doesn't really answer the question of why he would pick a player who he then lets go for a 5th immediately after, but it kind of does. In addition, this whole happening seems to have created a unique value of its own that isn't standard in a normal season.
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5 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I've been against MB since his first four major moves. Hiring MT. Contract fight and bridge with Subban, not hiring Robinson (going with his useless buddy daigneult instead), and signing Briere. Aside from stealing Vanak, getting a new goalie coach and signing maxpac to a bargain deal, all of his major moves have sucked (jury still out on the Drouin trade).
its top bad, because I had high hopes when he was hired and he inherited a pretty good core. Not sure who to blame more MB for stupidity, or Molson for not firing MB when he stuck with MT last year.
sickng with the coach got a cup winner GM fired in Pittsburgh. In Montreal it's all good.
You do know that Robinson criticized Subban recently, right? I agree with some points but you can't have everything you wish for and expect that it would have gone smoothly.
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I don't know much about Schlemko even though I'm out west but I think it's safe to say that a player of Emelin's style won't have the best advanced stats. This doesn't change the fact that he does bring other things to the table that won't necessarily show themselves via advanced stats.
I also agree that Schlemko is easier to trade than Emelin but I also believe Vegas will be happy with him. Unlike most here, I thought Emelin was one of Vegas' better picks, at least when looking at it from their perspective. He's one of their most NHL ready players and they have to have some of those on the squad from the get-go.
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If he's an upgrade on Emelin, then we still need an upgrade on Beaulieu.
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I really liked him but most of my favorite moments of his were against the Bruins when Lucic was on the team. Now they're both out west.
This has been a rough off season for our back end. The good news is that now that it seems as though we have to pick up a defenseman, we have the opportunity to upgrade our defense from what it was. The player we acquire is going to have to be someone better than Beaulieu or Emelin though. Those were both of our test runs on the top pairing prior to Markov being placed there so I'd like a solution.
My personal opinion is that we now need a top 6 center but a top 2 left shooting defenseman. If we get that top 2, (easier said than done) our defense is fine.
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1 hour ago, illWill said:
I think Emelin at 4.1m is a better value than Plekanec at 6m. If they select one of those players it will help our cap hit, but the downside is those positions are already our weakness
I'm alright with losing either of them even though I like both of them but we better be putting that cap space to good use. We're a worse team as soon as we lose either of those players regardless of the cap implications.
I actually think losing Plekanec will/would have a bigger impact than people realize and possibly more than losing Emelin. Hopefully I'm wrong since he wasn't good last season but does Danault now become our shutdown center?
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2 hours ago, dlbalr said:
Here's a plus to the trade - it brings Colin back to the board. Long time no talk, hope things are going well.
He's all serious now.
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I see the argument from people but I wouldn't be able to get behind trading Price either. I can't think of a return I'd be happy with outside of Crosby and I'd probably react worse than people did after the Subban trade. I understand the cap and all that but it's still not enough of a reason for me personally. I really hope he's a lifelong Hab as I don't think our chances go up after losing him. Can we win without him? No doubt about it but who knows how long that route would take as well.
I truly believe that losing Galchenyuk would be the most "recoverable" of the 3 losses other than the fact that he's the youngest. Let's just keep all three however and either sign Jumbo Joe or trade for Eric Staal without losing Galchenyuk or Pacioretty.
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I think when all is said and done, Eric Staal might be the biggest upgrade on Galchenyuk (if we think of him as a center) out of players who actually might be available out there. Eric Staal on the first line and Galchenyuk on the second line would be fine with me.
Galchenyuk had a similar points per game average as Mikko Koivu, Claude Giroux, Evgney Kuznetzov, Jason Spezza, Logan Couture, Kyle Turrris etc. out of players who are listed as centers. Would those be centers who people would consider a top line center on our team? He also has a much better point per game average than players like Derek Stepan and Patrice Bergeron. Galchenyuk can be a top line center but it's true that he's basically a borderline 1st line/2nd line center as he was actually 30th in the league point scoring per game average amongst listed centers. I want another top 6 center as well simply because Plekanec regressed/may not be here but he doesn't necessarily have to be top 3.
As for our defense, I was upset with losing Sergachev and Beaulieu but our defense can still get by. In my opinion we need a little bit more speed and youth back there but Markov's ageing process has been comparatively slow and while I want it to be better I actually think a top 4 of Markov,Weber,Emelin and Petry is serviceable. Perhaps Jerabek is better than I realize as well.
This begs the question, which one is a bigger need between a top 6 center and a top 4 defender? Longterm we do need both but if the season were to start tomorrow, I would still go with the center as well. Especially if Plekanec is gone, despite his regression.
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I don't love it either and have stated so but I do think Drouin has the potential to be a top 10-20 scorer in the league. You heard it here first. If that does actualize, the trade isn't too shabby. It's going to have to happen though because I also personally have relatively high expectations for Sergachev unlike some other posters here.
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I'd rather trade Galchenyuk. I seriously can't agree with the other side on this. Pacioretty is one of the few players who have a defined role on our squad and people would trade him over Galchenyuk who has been thrown all over the place and never been trusted in a role. People are literally saying they'd rather keep someone who ended the season on the 4th line than our 1st line winger. Whether or not we agree he should have been on the 4th line is besides the point.
I rarely use this expression but it's easy to be an armchair GM and coach here without thinking about how our actual brain trust view these players. This is not to mention much of our current core voted Pacioretty their captain.
I'd like to keep both but I would trade Galchenyuk over Pacioretty as long as it's not for terrible value. Since I'm not convinced we would get fair value, I agree that I don't want him traded. I guess the same thing could be said for Pacioretty. I would include Pacioretty in say a Tavares type return trade, I just don't see that happening out of the blue.
Pacioretty is older but has proven a lot more than Galchenyuk. The modern NHL is tough on old players but I do see him being able to put up 30 at an older age simply as a result of his release. That's not going away any time
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Pacioretty-Drouin-Radulov
Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Byron-Danault-Shaw
Martinsen/Hudon-Mitchell-McCaron
Markov-Weber
Emelin-Petry
Jerabek-Benn
Price
Montoya
I'm thinking no Plekanec means one new defenseman as well so this is just with what we have today.
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2 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said:
So you want a player signed for multiple years in exchange for a guy who needs a new deal in two years?
Are you ready for an eight year $64 million deal for Pacioretty in 2 seasons?
Remember when the Habs traded a 50 goal scorer for a centre after getting to the Cup final with the sniper? This team needs their Richer for Muller.
I personally think Pacioretty deserves to get paid, yes. He's on our team so people are undervaluing him. On another team, he would look better than Ovechkin or Rick Nash. Fine, those two players aren't in the peaks of their careers but I don't think it's smart to trade him right now. Any player who he'd be worth trading for would have a hefty contract as well.
He does go through cold streaks obviously but putting the his captaincy aside, he's such an important player to have. I don't think he's absolutely a guaranteed shoe in to always be cold in the playoffs. Our team as a whole hasn't gotten it going in the playoffs now some time. If and when we have a deep run and Pacioretty is on the team, he'll have been a big part of it.
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I like Plekanec more than most but let's lose Plekanec to Vegas and sign Thornton to a deal as an UFA. 2 years @ 6.5 mil. Too much? I assume you'd have to pay since other teams might be in on him. Problem solved for a season.
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Trading Pacioretty is a ridiculous thought. We're getting complaints about lateral moves left and right and that would be one no matter who we get in return even if it was a center.
If you were to considering trading Pacioretty, it would have to be one of those Tavares, Toews, Kopitar types coming back or multiple players.
Trading Pacioretty for almost anyone eliminates the win now mentality. Pacioretty is of a relatively unique mold whereas like has been stated Galchenyuk and Drouin are similar types, for instance.
We should keep both Galchenyuk and Pacioretty for the start of the season and go from there.
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10 minutes ago, PMAC said:
Actually if Lefebvre is re-hired, I am going to have to join the Bergevin must go ranks. Also, it is not that Galchnyuk is traded that will be my issue, but whether or not we get enough back. I don't care who gets traded it the return is good enough. My issue with the Drouin trade is purely that he is not a centre. My problem with the Beaulieu trade is that devaluating an asset; painting yourself into a corner with the expansion draft and trading a player at his lowest possible value is simply piss poor asset management. Similarly, trading Subban and Sergachev in succession without getting even a centre prospect back is worrisome.
As things stand right now, I'm fairly confident that at least one of Drouin or Galchenyuk would be in our top 6 as a center next season. There's still a lot of time for things to change as well.
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1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
It'd have to be more than Leddy, and the sense in the trade would depend on the quality of that additional element. If the other guy projects to be a legit top-6 FW, the trade might be worth doing: Galy for a #2 d-man and a top-6 FW. Admittedly, NJ gets back the best player, but those are two valuable roster pieces for a team full of holes. So that would be the case for the deal; not that I'm gonna go to the wall over it, especially as I have no idea whether Beauviller has any realistic shot of being a real top-6er. The scouting reports from his draft year do suggest he could be a dangerous 2nd-line scoring winger, however.
It's true that I don't know much about Beauvillier so I can agree with what you're saying. If we get a #2 defenseman as well as a top 6 forward, I'd start to listen.
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I think he really is capable of being our first line center. That's also on a team that needs top 6 centers so he should be valued even more. My opinion is also not what it is because we need top 6 center(s). He had 6 game winning goals last year and even ended the playoffs with something like 3 points in his last 4 games while no one took notice. As an organization we clearly don't value him that high, so it's probably best not to deal him away.
I'm not trying to bring up Duchene specifically again but just as an example, I would have preferred that type of a deal than trading him for a defenseman, soon after trading Beaulieu away for only a 3rd rounder. There's a decent chance Leddy and Beaulieu end within 5-10 points of one another next year and we just traded him for a 3rd rounder. Sergachev will likely get some points as well.
I think it's because of the trades we've already made that I wouldn't trade Galchenyuk unless it was for a heavy duty defenseman coming back. I'd rather trade him for a legitimate top 6 center if we were to trade him at all and I still wouldn't necessarily love it.
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I have a bad feeling about this for some reason. I don't want to see him gone for a defenseman unless it's Doughty, Burns or Hedman. Off the top of my head. Letang or Karlsson would do.
2017 NHL Entry Draft Thread
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De la Rose used to be compared to Jordan Staal as well, albeit potentially wrongly so.