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5 minutes ago, DON said:
Actually you have it backwards, lots of mid-six forwards but lack top guys. Tatar 7th in LW scoring would be their 1 top forward, rest are middling offensive players with highest paid at $5.5m.
I would agree with that our forward group guys like Danault, Gallagher, Tatar, Drouin, Domi, are all middle of the league forwards.
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22 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
Yes, we are missing a superstar talent (but so are most other teams).
But calling all our forwards fourth-liners is a gross exaggeration. Go look at the scoring stats on nhl.com and see how many of them are in the top 62 (in their positions) in the NHL.
Not calling all of them 4th liners. I am just saying the depth and talent level drops off big time after our top guys.
you ever notice if our top guys are in a slump the team as a whole goes in a slump? It’s the same with injuries, when our top guys are hurt the team goes into a slump. It’s because lack of talent and depth In the organization. Talent, balance and depth you can make a point its all the same but its what we lack. -
1 hour ago, Commandant said:
Washington was always a contender, since they had Ovechkin and Backstrom.
Again, its not the Wilson, Eller, TJ types we are missing.... its the superstar like Ovechkin and Backstrom. We have the depth... we don't have a superstar to drag the team through when the depth is injured.
That makes no sense. Your depth is their to help with injuries. Your superstar is suppose to make players around him better. Price is our elite superstar, he makes the team play bigger than they are, but he can't carry the team on his back by himself, He needs help around him. Weber is a superstar but again he can't carry a team by himself.
You need to build the team around your superstar's, you add depth to balance everything out. Depth is balance and this team doesn't have Any.
Explain San Jose , Toronto , Edmonton, Philadelphia and Tampa with your theory? All team's with more than 1 elite superstar but can't win in the playoffs.
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It's about depth if you got a bunch of 4th line nhlers playing top line minutes, you are what you pay for. We don't have a good balance when it comes to our forward/defense group.
Teams that have drafted elite superstars never win until they build a team around them and add the depth. The so called roll players.
Washington had Ovechkin and Backstrom for the longest time and couldn't win tell they started adding depth around them in Kuznetsov, Wilson, Eller, Carlson and T.J. Then they found the right coach to bring them all together, and they finally won.
We have just have never had team depth. Which is why when healthy we are good sometimes great, when going through injuries we're a lottery team.
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23 minutes ago, DON said:
Yup, would of made a big difference; but in hindsight is easy to say.
Only big difference it would of made was Price not getting knocked out of the playoffs vrs NYR that year ..
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3 minutes ago, DON said:
Flipped back to 1st mock draft 2009 i could find and they had #18 Leblanc , #21 Krieder
Yeah I am just saying had the draft not been in Montreal would they have drafted him still? It had been awhile since the habs at that time draft a player from Montreal and the media and fans were getting restless. That played a part in drafting him in his home town.
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32 minutes ago, Chris said:
my favorite pick was leblanc instead of kreider, whoopps
Leblanc pick was to play to the Montreal fans and media since the draft was in Montreal.
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Timmins does what the GM tells him. You can say what you want about Timmins but it's the gm that tells him what type of players to look for and/or scouting for the draft and/or trades. Who ever the gm has been at the time that's who he has been listening too. So in the 03' draft a lot of heat goes on BG and also 05' draft as well.
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21 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
I will suggest you reread Commandant’s post. He answered your question
Yeah if you have depth you don't need a bunch of superstar's.
Look at the Blue's, they don't have a bunch of elite superstars. But they got depth and roll players that step in once injuries happen.
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5 minutes ago, Commandant said:
I think depth is fine. Look around the league and people arent pulling great players out of farm systems when stars go down. That isnt what happens.
The issue is the habs rely on 3 lines of offence and dont have superstars. When three lines become two.. things become real tough.
Other teams.. when mcdavid goes down they have draisaitl to pull them through. The pens have sid and geno. You can look at others. Its not lack of depth, its that we need a superstar or two.
If we have depth why do we tail spin every time we get injuries to key players? Look how bad our D is with out Weber in it, where's the depth there?
There's no one that steps up from our farm system when they get called up. We have a bunch of bottom 6 players no top 6 players in the system RIGHT NOW. In 4-5 years yes we will be good when it comes to talent in the system , but right now no. We don't have an answer within when we lose players like Gallagher, Drouin, Weber, Tatar, Price, Petry.
If our bottom 6 have to move up to top 6 To fill holes do to injuries, our talent drops off. This has been the big issue with the habs the last 20 years.
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42 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
who are we going to be bring in? No good UFA"s would want to come in into this mess. I think if we blow up the core - which games like last night are a clear indication that is necessary, we should be able to get good players. I think Weber can get us a solid younger man that will be useful when the rest of the core is good. I don't see Price netting equal impact player immidiatleyh, but could bring in high end prospects/picks. Ditto with Tatar and Petry. We need help on D and no one is giving up a top pairing D for Tatar or Petry - they would probably give younger elite level prospects for a package that includes them and if we pick up part of their salary. The only player that will bring high return because of his contract/compete/skill level is Gallagahar.
Bottom line is, there is no quick fix. We need at least 3 years for our own prospects to pan out and i'd rather pick up more youth and try and build on a hawks/pens/caps framework than this reset or whatever the shit that MB is calling it these days, where we aren't buyers or sellers.This is a load of BS if you ask me. We have the picks that we can make trades and UFA's will come here. I think we need to add depth to the LW and LD and we will be ok.
Our problems has always been depth when it comes to talented skill players. I have never seen a GM rely on a farm system as much as Bergevin that's has no NHL talented players that could fill holes when called upon do to injuries.
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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I see being under the cap as a bad thing. They should be brining in bad contracts that have less than a two year term for picks and prospects. Hell, even the eternally cheap canes are doing that. with the habs financial strength, they should be using it to their advantage.
How about instead of bringing in bad contracts for picks to fill our cap space, we actually use our cap space to bring in talent to help us win 🤔
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Oh man can't write this stuff Ryan with the hat trick in his first game back. That a boy Bobby.
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26 minutes ago, Commandant said:
All those IR contracts are eating 0 cap space.for.them... thats why its LTIR.
They added more this year (clarkson in the summer). Cause they actually ended up.with more space by maxing out the ltir.
My bad I thought they worked like buyouts, a % counts toward the cap.
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11 minutes ago, Commandant said:
I hope the Leafs follow h29's advice and trade nylander. It would be Dubas' biggest mistake to date.
No I would say eating all those IR contracts when they were rebuilding was his biggest mistake. They could use that cap space now.
Trading Nylander to fill a hole would be smart.
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2 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
The leafs issue isn’t Tavares. Their issue is Dubas being stupid and giving in to RFA’s on their 2nd deals by giving them UFA money, while not buying UFA years. In a way he is similar to MB, doesn’t know how to build a team. Weak D, no backup goalie because he paid too much for Nylander, Marleau and Matthews. I’d be good with the money he gave Marner and Matthews if it was 8!year terms, but he should have traded Nylander to fill other holes, rather than move the more affordable Kadri.
lou also screwed the pooch with the money he gave Marleau. I don’t think they expected Marner and Matthews to put up the numbers they did. You would think aloud of all people would have gone after a better dman over Marleau.
Not saying Tavares is the problem in Toronto, just saying 11mil is over payment.
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37 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Lucic easily.
Id still take Tavares to be honest.
Oh man forgot Lucic,
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Was just thinking about this topic and thought I would post it and see what everyone else thinks.
So for me I am glad we didn't throw the money at tavares. I know at the time we needed a top center and he fit the bill. But man 11mil a year over the next 5 years did we dodge a bullet with that one. We would of been in cap hell right now.
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
Do we have to do this thread over and over every three-four weeks? I think we all know where everyone else stands on bergevin now.
Since January 1st we have had these three threads... plus every other thread ends up a discussion of bergevins plan too.
Just think you have 8 months to go until the start of next season. What's the over/under on Bergevin topic's 🤔
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Well I guess since we won't be talking trades anymore, only thing left is Bergevin till the draft 😂.
I have brought this up in other posts, if he still believes in this group of players he has a 2 year window to try and win a cup with them.
I say this because in 2 years time we will be seeing another change over in players. Lehkonen will be a RFA, Weal, Gallagher, Tatar, Petry, Armia and Danault will all be UFA's, Weber will be 36 and Price 34. So IN my honest opinion this summer he should be going all in and trying to win a cup.
Otherwise you use next year to see who you're going to keep and who you're going to trade away in 2 years time.
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3 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Players don’t snd either do coaches trying to keep their jobs. But management can make moves to finish lower - such as trading Petry and Tatar, of keeping KK and Poehling in Laval fir the rest of the season- much like the leafs did for Mathews.
th me big question for you is this, do you so this lineup being a SERIOUS playoff team next year - not a bubble team, if the answer is yes, you hang on to Tatar and Petry, if no you I’ve then and absorb half their salery to drive up their value more.
if you don’t see this team being a serious contender for the next three years, you also don’t hold onto Price and Weber past this draft.
i know where I sit, I don’t see us getting more points next year than TBL, BOS, TOR and FLA for sure, may even finish lower than BUF depending on what they do. But at best I see as 5th in our division.
We need to build a new core - Suzuki looks like he will be part of that and the hope is that at a minimum, KK, Canfield and romonov hopefully will be in three years. Until than we should be maximizing high draft picks and high end prospects and using our cap room to do so. Enough with having a team of depth grunts and players with some tools, but no tool box.
If Bergevin actually makes moves to improve the team yes this can be a play off team.
If he only targets one player and doesn't get him, like he's been doing the last 3 years and then turns around and doesn't make any moves..... then this won't be a playoff team.
I had brought this up earlier, i think this should be the summer he goes all in and turns this team into a playoff team. He has a 2 year window right now to do so. In 2 years time we could once again see another player turn over.
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Is it just me or does this season seem like it's never going to end.
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7 minutes ago, DON said:
I dont, I cursed Lanny Macdonald, Mercenary Hossa, Bourque, etc. Jumping onto a stacked team to not earn, but simply get a ring.
Nothing is guaranteed in hockey, its not like basketball and what James did with the heat. Bourque 1st year on Colorado they didn't win the cup.
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11 minutes ago, DON said:
I just enjoy watching Habs play and really don't follow or watch any other teams.
If is good or bad year I still pull for them just the same, not a fair-weather bang wagon jumper like some seem to be.
I am like you don't watch any other team other than the habs. Not sure why but just not a fan of today's hockey. I am a 80's/90's kid and I did watch a lot of hockey then , But today's NHL just doesn't do it for me. But like I had mentioned I like to see NHL players toward the end of their careers finally win the cup. Theres just a curtain feeling you get when you see that veteran player finally win the cup.
2019-20 NHL Discussion Thread
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I would like to see what CJ could do if he actually had a NHL team to coach not an half of NHL team.
The question is , is KM still a capable assistant coach? Maybe it's time to part ways and get a fresh coach for the PP/PK.