Habsfan89
-
Posts
1642 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
21
Posts posted by Habsfan89
-
-
1 hour ago, Commandant said:
This has already been explained multiple times.
You have a number of kids on the team. You dont put them in an environment that losing is acceptable. You give them the experience of playing in high pressure games surrounded by a group of leaders who are trying to win and teaching them what is necessary to win.
Its not a video game. You are dealing with actual people and you have to work to develop them... not just say lets put a bunch of high draft picks in a bowl and it will work out.
We see what is happening in Buffalo. You saw what happened when edmonton had the yakupov, hall, rnh team, arizona did this for years, toronto too.
You want to make this ten years of living in the wilderness.... sure... trade away all the vets... tank for high picks and develop the players you have and get in an environment where it is okay to lose cause we dont want to make the playoffs, we want a high pick.
This comment/argument makes me realize why Montreal will always be nothing more then a bubble team. Fighting for the last playoff spot and not making it. Always blaming injuries and players having down years.
-
2 hours ago, Link67 said:
Trading Poehling would go against any semblance of the plan that has been getting cooked for the past 2 years. We would more likely wait for Romanov to enter the top 4 D than trade Poehling, because that is what you do when you are building through youth/draft, you don't trade them away.
When you enter borderline contender status, you can consider trading away some youth for the piece that gets you over the top. Until then, you don't, you stay patient and keep swinging at bat during the draft to fill the cupboard up.
Ok so if you’re building through the draft , why in the world are we pushing for a playoff spot? We should be pushing for a lottery pick.
this is the problem in Montreal and why we will always be nothing more then a bubble team. People want a rebuild yet they don’t want to go through the losing part of a rebuild. Never makes any logic to me.
-
23 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Agree, that's 3 good looking lines. I guess it depends on what it would cost to resign Kovalchuk, don't think you would go for more than 1 year.
Yeah but he is still getting paid by LA is he not from the buy out? So maybe he re ups in Montreal for less on a 1 year deal plus team option for a 2nd year.
-
56 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:
Yes. 2 years ago, my complaint was that there were no impact players at any position in their prospect pool. This is no longer the case. They have a top 5 ranked prospect pool by most knowledgeable analysts. Stay the course I says.
I had mentioned that next year is the year they need to go in for a cup run. If we can resign Kovy and add a playmaking D to go along with the rookie Romanov, this could be a really good team.
I think a package of Byron, lehkonen and Poehling could land us a top LD.
When's the last time Montreal had 3 lines that can score on their team? That could happen if Kovalchuk comes back.
Tatar/Danault/Kovalchuk
Drouin/Domi/Gallagher
Suzuki/Kotkaniemi/Armia
-
10 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:
Winning is the best option imo. even if they miss the playoffs by a game or two. If they can play the wave attack with a healthy line up and convince themselves that they can compete, that confidence and a tweak or two may be all that's needed. I hate the tank option.
So basically what they've been trying the last 2 season 🤔
-
41 minutes ago, DON said:
Crosby still not a shabby player eh , 8pts in 4gms since return.
Well he has had time off this season 😂
-
Here's a question,
What would a package deal of Byron and Poehling bring us back in a trade? Would it get us a top 4 D?
-
4 minutes ago, Chris said:
Those forwards are part of the defensive problem, see the last 2 minutes of tonights game, they fall apart and lose battles all the time
Thats because some of these guys are still kids who should be developing in the AHL.
-
2 minutes ago, Chris said:
You still need players to play defense, you need players that can win battles, play physical, crash the net and defend the front of the net, those are the same forwards they have had the past 2 years, no playoffs
That's what I said if we can upgrade our dcore and resign kovy this can be a really good team next year.
-
I think the time for Montreal to go for it is next year. If we can resign Kovy and and a top LD this could be a really good team. We would have 3 really good lines
Tatar/Danault/Kovy
Drouin/Domi/Gallagher
Suzuki/Kotkaniemi/Armia
I would look at trading Byron And Lehkonen maybe as a package to see what we could get. But if we fix our Dcore this team could be good next year.
-
1 minute ago, Chris said:
firing MB, the scouting department and CJ doesn't change the fact they need a rebuild with young better prospects
The last 2 years they have done a great job rebuilding the prospects. Which is my point they should be upgrading the team now. Our reset should be over, other wise this is a rebuild.
-
Just now, sbhatt said:
How about we keep Kovalchuk, and fire Bergevin instead?
If Bergevin improves this team in the off season I have no problem with Bergevin being GM. If he stands pat and does nothing again, IE.....blames injuries again then its time for a change at GM.
-
1
-
-
Just now, Scott462 said:
Boy I love watching Carey Price when he’s on it
Could you imagine him with a good team in front of him, where he could just be himself, and not have to be perfect every night.
-
37 minutes ago, Scott462 said:
It’s so refreshing seeing a star such as Kovalchuk.
I have to admit I was wrong about this signing. I was pushing for the tank and the lottery pick. But Kovalchuk looks like he's loving it in Montreal.
-
1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I agree that MB has done much better in the past two years (although I'm still annoyed at his failure to upgrade the team last summer).
But I think you're gesturing toward a fundamental problem with the entire 'reset' model, which is that Weber and Price are getting old. They will have aged out, or be aging out, by the time the kids hit their primes, and they are the top talents in the entire system. If we do the thought exercise of adding an impactful Romanov and Suzuki while subtracting Weber and Price - and I know this is a highly simplified heuristic device - it clarifies this problem. Such a team would be no better. It might be worse.
So I'm not saying the reset for sure won't succeed, but when the best talents in your reset are in their mid-30s, that should give pause. Ce n'est pas evident.
Yes I agree as long as you have price and weber on the team you should be looking to build a team around them to help contend and/or win a cup, not build for the future.
If you're planning to build for the future then there's no need for a Price or Weber on the team and we should be looking at being a lottery pick team, not a bubble team.
-
40 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I agree with a chunk of what you said. I want the Habs to be cup contenders every year, absolutely. I just try and focus on what the Habs should do right now to help get us there rather than going back and complaining about past mistakes. I don't agree with everything management does, just think that MB has done much better the last couple years.
Well the past keeps repeating itself here in Montreal and if we don't change our way of thinking then in 4 years time we will still be a bubble team and going through another reset.
-
1
-
-
1 hour ago, DON said:
You must really miss that red button dont you.
-
2 hours ago, DON said:
Because a Habs fanatic you aint, is my best guess?
Why because I don't like losing every year? Because I want people to talk about the habs as a top team? Because I want the habs to be mentioned as cup contenders every year? Because I won't settle for a bubble team full of excuses every year. Which point doesn't make me a fanatic 🤔
I guess around here in your eyes as long as you agree with everything management does that makes you a fanatic fan ????????
-
1
-
-
25 minutes ago, JoeLassister said:
Yo, this is not a winning team, that's a ####in' powerhouse !
If you're a owner of a sports teams those should be your standards. Not this bubble team crap full of excuse we see.
I don't understand how people are fine with being a team that almost makes the playoffs every year, instead of a team that should make the playoffs every year.
-
1
-
-
6 minutes ago, DON said:
Is the most winning team with unlimited salary cap and $$ in baseball a winner? They went 18 years between championships and i still was a fan of them. Which was last canadian team to win cup...so could be worse, could be a fan of any other canadian team.
What does that got to do with what I just posted 🤔
-
15 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
How do you define a winning team? Last year they had 44 wins and 30 losses, you make it sound like they were horrible.
I define wining by being looked at as a top team in the league. Being looked at as a lock to make the playoffs every year. Being looked at as a cup favorite every year. Being a team that everyone hates to play. That's how i define wining.
Wining to me isn't being a bubble team every year. Making excuse that injuries cost us the season. Making excuse that players didn't play up to their potential. That everything has to be lined just perfectly for this team to be a playoff team. Thats not wining to me.
-
1
-
-
17 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Winning brings in more playoff games and more money... so this is always a stupid argument in a salary cap league.
The team has been ran the past 10 years the same way he ran it after 93'. The on ice product has been bad the last 10 years. We haven't had a winning team now in the last 4 years , yet Nothing has changed. So if wining brings in more playoff games and more money.....then how come no changes have been made the last 4 years to change it? That tells me Molson doesn't really care about the hockey team as much as he does his Molson 🍺 sales.
-
3 minutes ago, DON said:
Molson is more concerned about $$ than winning?
The last 10 years what direction has this organization gone since Molson has been back as owner?
-
2 minutes ago, Chris said:
Mediocre at best since the mid 90's
Once people stop buying tickets and merchandise the owner will have some choices to make
I wouldn't say that, it was more when Molson bought the team back, when wining became less important.
Permanent Trade Proposal Thread
in Habs & Hockey Talk
Posted
Tell that to the team's that have won cup's this way and have drafted and develop elite superstars this way.