Habsfan89
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1 hour ago, huzer said:
Really? our 2009 team of Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta, Metropolit, Hamrlik, Spacek, Moen, Gorges, etc was "full" of drafted players? Go back and look at that draft list, from 08-15 4 current full times NHLers exist out of 51 picks. Two of those four are still on the team. The other two are Beaulieu and Galchenyuk, who are both on at least their second team since being traded by Montreal.
Your recency bias is showing. One player in the last 2 drafts has played in the NHL. Romanov MIGHT be the second next year. Nothing guarantees any of the other players.
Romanov
Caufield
Poehling
Lehkonen
Kotkaniemi
Primeau
Brook
Mete
Fleury
How's that being bias 🤔?
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7 minutes ago, Chris said:
And yet the results were the same, poor drafting
Not poor drafting just too much of the same type of players.
After Price, Gallagher, Pacioretty, Subban, made the NHL full time and we became contenders we stopped drafting. We started using the draft picks to find those players that would put us over the top. But we couldn't do it, this is the result of it now. We missed on a lot of first round picks Also but GM always has final say in all draft picks.
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8 minutes ago, Chris said:
The scouting department has been there since well before MB,
Results dont lie, they have the fewest drafted players playing on the team
A full rebuild is fine, why do it with a scouting department and GM who are failures? Makes no sense
Bergevin traded a lot of the players we drafted that were on this team.
When Bob was GM our team was full of players we drafted.
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13 minutes ago, Chris said:
I think i read that the scouting department has had the same leaders for closer to 15 years, they are not good
Im of the opinion cleaning house in management, scouting and let the new GM decide CJ fate.
I disagree I think it falls on the GM, he's the one who Tell's his scouting department what to look for in players they're going to draft.
Case in point Bergevin believed that the old school way still won you games, big gritty players. But that turned out bad for this organization as we drafted guys with zero talent for today's NHL.
We are feeling those effect's now as we have no NHL ready talent in our system. That's why when we get injuries to key players our play drop's off big time, because the talent drops off.
But since the reset Bergevin changed his way of thinking and started to draft talent, speed and players that are suited for today's NHL. Our last 2 drafts have been great because of it. But these player's won't be NHL ready for 3-4 years or so.
Which is why I think a full rebuild of our team is needed. So by the time these players are NHL ready we would have the depth that we need to compete.
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I wonder if Mcdavid is like a rage wolf just thinking About feasting on our wounded boy's tonight.
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This could be ugly.........anyone else scared.
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Just saying at some point Bergevin needs held accountable.
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I know a lot of people are on Price for his play but here's a stat for you stat lover's
Price numbers
35 GP W16, L15, OT4 GA 3.01 S%9.02
Holtby numbers
30GP W18, L7,OT4 GA 2.99 s%9.02
Similar numbers with Price playing more games. Yet Washington has 65pts and Montreal has 43pts.
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10 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
Don't know Hayton, really. But it'd be a shame to trade Gallagher. But admittedly I'd still think it would be a shame to trade him, even if we got McDavid in return. 😁
The more I look at it if we did blow the team up and trade guys like Price, Weber, Petry, Byron and our UFA's, I would keep Gallagher make him the captain And a leader for the younger guys.
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25 minutes ago, Trizzak said:
Not really a rumour but speculation and analysis:
Eric Engels on the Steve Dangle Podcast talked about who the Habs could trade at the deadline and listed Tatar and Petry.
He doesn't think Price will go anywhere this season.
Kovalchuk is playing motivated hockey, but is likely to be moved at the deadline. Engels says the signing was a move that Bergevin had to make, and his players appreciated it.
Price gets traded only if he is done and wants out of Montreal to go win a cup some where else. Bergevin wouldn't have the balls to ask Price for a list of teams he wants to be traded to.
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1 minute ago, Chris said:
I read a rumor Colorado was interested in Price,
Take it with a grain of salt
Price on Colorado would be crazy with that team in front of him.
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17 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Vancouver has an excellent goalie in Markstrom and a youngster they believe in in Demko. Plus they're already in cap hell with amazing young players to lock up going forward. They'd be dumb to do it.
Buffalo, yeah. And I don't understand why EDM would not be all over Price. We could take back Koskinen and an impact prospect/pick, and give them the best shot they will ever have to win a Cup. Carey would probably welcome the trade to be close to home and have a legit shot to win. Seems like a great idea.
I can see a trade like this
To edmonton
Price
To habs
Koskinen and Puljujarvi
But i think they would be over The cap.
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5 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Yeah - but all that being said, I personally am fine with us trading Price, as I mentioned in other threads. I just don't see that it makes a ton of sense for a rebuilding team to take Price on. He's more of a "San Jose Sharks/Edmonton Oilers" type of acquisition.
I can see buffalo wanting him. Any thoughts on maybe Vancouver wanting him?
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20 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
I have a hard time seeing NJ take this. They are not ready to contend, either, so it seems like Price would not be a good fit for them.
They need better goaltending Price would be an upgrade to what they have. Plus Tatar would give them more scoring. But its all arm chair talk.
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Here's a question...... Lets say New Jersey ends up with the 1st overall pick in the draft this year by wining the draft lottery. Would you offer them this trade for the 1st overall pick
To Nj
Price and Tatar
To habs
1st overall pick In this year's draft
NJ 1st round pick next year
We take on Schneider's contract
And we get Rights to LD Vatanen.
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50 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
Since the day he started playing for the Habs the entire strategy was to let Price stand on his head, game after game, season after season. Here we are with an older Price who is facing even more dangerous shots and way too many odd man rushes every fricking game. I suspect that Cucumber might be correct that Price is tired and needs more rest.
I wanted the playoffs bad this year and MB should have helped the team during the summer but he waited too long. Our injuries are severe and we are looking at very little chance of playoffs.
I am officially on the tank train.
We should be strategic sellers and start stockpiling for the future.
Is it just tank for this year or does this team need a total rebuild. Not reset or retool. Blow up the core and rebuild? We have some good young players but hole's all over the team.
Danault
Domi
Kotkaniemi
Suzuki
Poehling
Mete
Caufield
Primeau
Gallagher
Should all be none tradeable . Everyone else get as much 1st round picks and top end prospects as you can get. If we don't get the first overall pick we should put ourselves in a position to trade for it.
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Speaking of Roy would you give him full control of the team like he wants ? That's if Molson cleans house.
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14 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
I think the list will be longer than that, this won’t be a full scorched-earth rebuild. We have strong young core, it’s just not quite enough — or soon enough.Yeah I am talking about the veterans on the team. Would keep Gallagher let him lead our new young core.
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Only guy I wouldn't trade would be Gallagher. Make him the new captain if you trade weber.
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Just now, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I don't think there is much doubt they will be sellers at the deadline, the big question is how long before the deadline will they make that decision.
I would start right after the all star game. Let the league know Price, Weber, Tatar and Petry are all available. Get as much first rounders and prospects. Then if you don't land the 1st overall pick you can trade for it.
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Just now, Scott462 said:
I think Montreal should start to seriously consider being sellers at the deadline.
Yeah I think its time for a on ice full rebuild and new identity with a fresh core group.
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Just now, tomh009 said:
To have a chance, I think we would need 94 points, same as last year. That would be 51 points in 38 games. Yes, a rather tall order, especially as we are still missing Gallagher, Armia and Drouin for a while.
I've personally written off this season now. I'll try to enjoy the moments (Lehkonen breakaway, Kovalchuk pass etc) but otherwise look forward to June.
96pts last year.
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Wonder how much more of this Price is going to take. In that press conference yesterday he looked like he was at his breaking point.
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Just now, Scott462 said:
7 in a row, with another loss that will be two 8 game losing streaks in one season. Ouch.
Figure it’s for the best, if Montreal can somehow draft first overall I’d be ecstatic.
Looking like Detroit will have the first pick. But we have seen stranger things happen with the draft lottery. But man 4 draft lottery in 8 years and we weren't even trying to be a lottery team.
Is our plan flawed?
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After we became contenders for the cup our drafting went down hill, in large part because we were draft at the bottom of the draft its always hit or miss from 20-32.
Our picks from 3-15 in first rounds have been good.