Habsfan89
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Typical but wouldn’t u just test what you got from your youth then gamble on him? This is the type of thing’s I get tired of seeing. If you’re going to go with youth go with youth.
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1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I love Price. He has been a great Montreal Canadien, perhaps the only Canadien of the past 25 years who can stand with the greats of the past.
But you know what? If he went to Bergy tomorrow and said, 'I want out,' I'm not sure that would be such a terrible thing, assuming we could find a taker. It seems obvious that we are years away from doing anything, and making the playoffs does not seem to be an urgent priority for this GM. What is the point of saying Carey Price will have a quality team in front of him when he's 36? Why a 36-year-old Price rather than some other quality starter at that point?
Anyway, I doubt Price will leave, and who knows, maybe he will get one more kick at the can before it's all over. If I were him, however, I'd want out.
I agree with you 100%. Price and Weber should be on team's contending for the cup. Not on a rebuilding team like we are.
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Don’t get me wrong, I give Bergevin full credit on the return he got for Pacioretty and galchenyuk.
But i also understand why those trades were made. He mishandled the team and had to trade Pacioretty because of it to full other hole's.
The galchenyuk trade for Domi, he traded one problem for the exact same problem. Which is why at the time a lot of people didn't understand it at the time. But it ended up working in Bergevin favor because Domi turned his career around.
He has made good move's and bad one's. But i for one am not going to act like he's the best GM in the world.
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10 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Who would want an under-performing 10M/yr 32 year old goalie? We are stuck with him
He's on a team with a weak D. Trust me any playoff team that wants to win a cup will jump at trying to trade for Price.
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8 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Suzuki looks more ready than Kk, but ask yourself this, if we were a better team, would he have started in Montreal? Yes he dominated in CHL last year, but I’m not convinced that putting up bigger numbers as a CENTRE in the AHL would be better for him in the long run, than flip flopping in the NHL. Ditto with Poehling. I’d rather have them competing for something in the AHL - which would also improve our lottery position, than having a “promising” to “decent” rookie year in the NHL. Although at this point Suzuki has earned to stay up, unless he starts stagnating. I think Fleury, Poehling and KK should be in Laval. We are supposed to have hired a guy that is good at developing, so let’s see what he can do, with high end prospects.
You can say the same with Mete and fleury.If Bergevin spent the cap money and upgrade the D then they would both be developing in the AHL, and we might be in a playoff spot right now.
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38 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Player development is also part the player's responsibility. Galchenyuk didn't develop in Arizona and he is wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh. You have to give MB credit for the Domi trade if you are going to knock him in other areas. Only fair. We are having some good discussion tonight. Love it!!
Yeah its a good trade but it's also a lucky one. Arizona was run bad at the time no other team would do that trade. I like the trade and give him credit for it. But he got lucky on it.
A lot of his trades had to do with the fact he had to make them. It wasn't to add to the team and improve the team. He had to make the Pacioretty trade and he had to make the galchenyuk trade.
The way Arizona was being run we probably could of got Domi for a 3rd round pick and a prospect and still had galchenyuk to trade.
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11 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Getting lucky is a bullshit argument just to take credit away from good work and good pro scouting.
If he loses the deal... fire bergevin
If he wins the deal... he got lucky.
Its just bullshit to not give the guy credit. Come on now.
Ok so he knew what he was doing by getting the Golden Knights to throw in Tatar 👌 In which he said he never really wanted.
Oh yeah great job on the development of galchenyuk 👍 which is why he traded him.
the credit i will give him is for the Armia trade and Danault trade. Those are the type of trades I want to see more of and less of the 4th liners.
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7 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
But how do you get top players?
- Give up other quality players
- Give up picks or prospects
- Sign them as UFAs (if they were willing to come to Montreal)
I don't see any way to get top players without either giving up our current players, or by giving up our future.
you give up prospects and a draft pick'S will get you a top player. Watch the team's that challenge for cups every year and see how they do it.
I am not saying the guy needs to be fired , I just don't get way people here talk about him like he's a God and the best in the world.
I will give him credit on turning this team around in 2 years. But I just feel at this point we should be able to add top talent to this team To gel with the talent we have.
This to me smell's of a rebuild not a retool. Say it's a rebuild and we don't see us making a cup run now and I will be fine with it. Don't give us false hope and do nothing.
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11 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Armia was an excellent trade. I am not sure what he is saying. Maybe Habsfan89 will clarify.
No you didn't read right I missed mentioning Armia but those along with the Danault type of trades are what I am talking about we don't see much of that from Bergevin.
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6 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
Armia?But getting talent for nothing? Or are you saying he should have traded picks and prospects for older players?
No I am saying he should add top end players to the mix of this team without trading our key players which he hasn't done other than yes sorry forgot about Armia and I had said danault.
Lets not forget why he traded Pacioretty in the first place or galchenyuk in the first place or even Subban. All those trades were because he backed himself into a corner.
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10 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Would you rather have Galchenyuk than Domi? Subban than Weber? Pacioretty instead of Suzuki and Tatar? The only trade I would take back is the Drouin trade. Do you think you can add top end talent in a trade for nothing? Seriously?
Trading draft picks and prospects to add top talent to improve your team.
If you look at the trades he got lucky with Them. they could of been bad , Domi was a question mark, he didn't even want Tatar and the way Sergachev has died down the Drouin trade could of been bad also.
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13 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Weber
Petry
Domi
Tatar/suzuki
Drouin
Ryder
Vanek
Danault
Armia
Shaw
Who else is making this many trades for top 9/top 4s?
Only trades for 4th liners? Thats some bullshit right there.
Your not listening his not adding top talent to this team his trading talent for talent.
Got Weber for Subban that's not adding
Got Suzuki and Tatar by trading Pacioretty that's not adding
He got Domi by trading galchenyuk not adding
Only top players he added to this team without taking away from it was Drouin and Danault.
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3 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
But we are not close to winning the cup, that's reality unfortunately. Gardiner didn't want to play in the spotlight in Montreal. MB has shown that he is not afraid of making trades, he has made more than most GM's. I never said I was against MB making trades.
His trades are for mostly 4th line players. Other gm's make less trade's but for better talented players / top line players.
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Looks like buf flip that pick to Calgary for frolik
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Looks like Bergevin is done his meditation in the Buddhist temple
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1 minute ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I could care less whether MB calls it a retool, rebuild or reset. I think he realizes now that he has to build with young players as he is working from a disadvantaged position regarding free agents. I am leaning toward trading some of the veterans and seeing if he can work a miracle come draft time. This year has gone south in a hurry and the injuries have exacerbated an already precarious situation. I am a patient guy, yeah I know it's been a bzillion years since they have won a cup but the only way to get it done right is to build through the draft and have some good veteran leadership so the kids learn properly.
That's bull if we're a team close to wining a cup players will sign here. Also theirs always the trade route, so stop using the disadvantage as a excuse.
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1 hour ago, Trizzak said:
It isn't.
The organization from the top down, owner to waterboy, committed to a multi-season retool centered around drafting and trading for a new young core. It's the direction that Geoff Molson wanted and still wants. It's why the only things the Habs gave up at last year's deadline to shore up NHL depth were career AHLers and dropping 20 spots out of the 4th round into the 5th round in the draft (Chaput for Weal, Thompson and a 5th for a 4th, Folin and Weise for Schlemko and Froese.) It's why Shaw was traded in the summer for picks without a guaranteed replacement in the lineup. Even the Aho offer sheet was calculated in what they were willing to give up for it to be worthwhile long and short term. It's frustrating because we all want to watch the team win games, and it's even more frustrating because the Atlantic is such a shit show this year, but the organization is sticking to their plan for long-term benefit.
The plan frustrating to every fan, but is only flawed to impatient fans.
I think if his calling this a retool, the retool should be done. We now have the cap space and the prospects that we can make trades to add to this team. We didn't have that 3 years ago when we started this.
But if he is going to continue to not add to the team and let the kids play , its a rebuild. he should not be giving fans false hope that we could make a cup run now. When he has no intention of making a cup run.
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My problem with Bergevin is if he's going with youth over NHL star players, then call it a 5 year rebuild plan so fans know theirs no playoff expectations. If we make the playoffs that's great and good for the kids to build on, but don't expect a cup, in the rebuild.
Don't try and sell this as a reset, then when you're at the point where you have the cap space and top end prospects pool you do nothing to improve the team.
Fans don't know what to expect from this organization. Are we going to make trades and sign free agent's to improve the team and push for a cup run. Or we going with youth and building from within so don't expect a cup run.
The last 2 years he's done a great job rebuilding our prospect pool and putting us in a better spot for the future, then this team was 4 years ago.
But i feel if its a retool or reset like Bergevin said, we should be looking at adding to the NHL team to make it better, and trying to win a cup now. Because we now have the cap space and prospects to make trades and make this team stronger. Something we didn't have 3/4 years ago.
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3 hours ago, Chris said:
Assuming they are out of the playoffs in a month,
Tatar, Petry, Byron should be looked at for trades, Petry and Tatar are worth 1st rounders,
I would ask Weber and Price what they want to do since they control there own contracts
To a lesser extent, teams would want Thompson Maybe Weal.
I dont see anyone wanting Drouin
According to EK Colorado is interested in Drouin . So I guess he's not going there well because after all its EK lol.
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1 hour ago, JoeLassister said:
Someone had to...
Michael Bournival - Ryan White - Alexander Semin
Aaron Palushaj - Louis Leblanc - Rene Bourque
Colby Armstrong - Brian Flynn - Peteri Nokelainen
John Scott - Michael McCarron- George Parros
extras : Mike Blunden - Chrisian Thomas
Tomas Kaberle - Ryan O'Byrne
Alexandre Picard - Bryan AllenChris Campoli - Douglas Murray
extra : Brent Sopel
Al Montoya
Alex AuldIs this the all misfits decade team 🤔
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We may not always see eye to eye but that's because we all have a love and passion for this team. Wishing everyone a very safe and merry Christmas🎄🎄🎄🎄
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2 hours ago, Commandant said:
We would do that in a second.
There is no chance the Rangers take it though. Hudon and McCarron have both cleared waivers, they have little to no value, and while Andersson's value has dropped from his top 10 draft status, he's not at the value of two guys who no one wanted on waivers.
Probably worth a 2nd rounder or something.... which i would do.
I agree with you don't understand why people still think Hudon and McCarron still have trade value at this point in their careers.
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In my eyes I Would rather trade Price and Weber , because I want to see them win a cup they deserve it. But unfortunately it's not going to happen here in Montreal.
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2 hours ago, illWill said:
Please don't ever become GM of the Canadiens
Price =10mil
Weber=7mil
Total = 17mil
10-4= 6mil
7-2=5mil
total= 11mil
We take on 6mil a year , but we gain 11mil a year in cap space. Plus we'll be getting 1st round picks and top prospects/ young NHL ready prospects.
So how is that being a bad gm?🤔
Oh I forgot I guess you like losing players for nothing.
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