Habsfan89
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7 minutes ago, Commandant said:
First, Bergevin doesn't do the drafting. He has scouts. No one person can effectively run the NHL main team and scout all those kids.
But besides that... 3 years and 8 are two different things.... one is a small sample size... the other is big enough to draw conclusions from.
One thing the GM does have complete control on though is the contracts on his team. Holland has left Detroit an absolute disaster of a cap situation with shit contracts for guys like Glendenning, Nielsen, Helm, DeKeyser, Abdelkader, etc... that are all really bad.
Bergevin gives the final say, He hires the Scouting staff and tells them what direction the scouting and development team are going in.
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
Only Athanasiou drafted between 2005 to 2012.
Ok... so they got 3 second liners out of 8 drafts. Still not very good, and definitely not all-world GM work.
The others didn't come from those years.
ok so your saying Bergevin first 3 years drafting he was unlucky because no one he drafted from those years is playing for Montreal. But Bergevin's last 2 years he's luck has came back to him and he's been lucky at the draft.
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23 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Its not player development when Zetterberg and Datsyuk played 0 AHL games combined. The moment they came out of Europe they were immediate contributors to the Red Wings lineup.
Detroit is supposedly this great drafting team.... explain the following though, with the same GM and Scouts, the only top 6 forwards or top 4 defencemen drafted between 2005 and 2012 were Gustav Nyquist and Tomas Tatar. Two second line wingers (and a bunch of bottom 6 guys) in 8 drafts? Thats not good gming or drafting and is why they fell to where they are now.
If it was more than luck, why couldn't they repeat it?
I'd also note that Holland wasn't the GM who drafted Yzerman, Lidstrom, or Fedorov either.
I guess you forgot Larkin, Mantha, Bertuzzi , Athanasiou just to name a few
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17 minutes ago, JoeLassister said:
Give me a break with Zett and Datsyuk drafting. PURE. LUCK. that they panned out THAT well.
We got the same luck with Markov and Gallagher. World class GM because of it ? I Don't think so.Its not luck, its proper player development. That's something under Holland Detroit was the best in the NHL in doing.
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2 hours ago, DON said:
But, Lidstrom retired after 2011-12...Red wings have won 0 playoff series since then...so wouldnt put on a pedestal. When have hall of famers in lineup, can make you look very smart and free agents want to play with them (the Lidstrom-Yzermans).
I think that was more on Babcock then Holland to be honest. Babcock I think is over rated as a coach, he hasn't done anything since he won a cup in Detroit and that had more to do with it being a team full of hall of farmers.
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48 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Metallica --- Last posted on October 17th.
Habsfan89 --- Joined the site on October 20th.Wow that's all I got to say, Never thought some people in here had no life but oh well. Think what you want i said what i had to say about this. But man that guy must of really got to you if you can't stop thinking about him lol so sad so sad.
I drive a jeep quick go and read all his post to see if he said anything about driving a jeep. It might take some time but looks like you got all the time in the world to do it.
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19 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
No one has pushed my buttons. I’m genuinely indifferent as to how people feel about Habs management. Your posts, including spelling mistakes, punctuation, etc. are the exact same as his and for whatever reason you want to deny it. That’s fine. It’s more than the content. I also don’t care about the topic so there’s nothing to push my buttons about. The team has left money on the table for 3 years now and could use a left handed upgrade on defence. Left handed defensemen should be easier to come by than right handed defensemen and yet we still haven’t upgraded. None of that has to do with Price. The argument that fans and management rely on Price too much was fit for 4 years ago, but Price hasn’t had a stretch of absolutely stealing games in a long time. “We’re only winning because of Price” is not a thought that should have occurred to anyone in the recent past.
If you're taking time to try and find similarities between 2 poster to try and see if they're the same then yes he pushed your buttons and got to you pretty bad. Also shows you need to get yourself a life or a job because you got to much time on your hands. I say this because your the only one doing it, so there for you have issues.
So I am going to say this one last time...... Stop wasting your time because I have nothing to do with him. You need to move on.As for your comments about Price, yeah people still think as long as we have him and he his on his game we don't need to upgrade anything. I am a Price fan and just want to see him win a cup as a hab.
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1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said:
They are not in win mode now. They hope they are in win mode now. They know they still have massive holes in their lineup, like bottom 9 forwards and defense.
I don't think Puljujarvvi will be traded this season without an offer that blows Hollands socks off. He's playing too good now and his stock is on the rise, Holland will wait that out. Plus I read today that if Puljujarvvi would probably finish the season outside the NHL even if he was traded.
Would of been easier to get him out of edmonton last year. But with Holland runing thinks now, not so much.
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10 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:
1.75 to 2.25 is all ge should get. He's a third pair guy on most teams.
I agree if we get a top LD he goes to 2nd line If not 3rd line which could benefit him better.
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1 hour ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:
The only thing making him unworthy of 4 million is his points total. If he breaks out of that points wilderness and can somehow get to 35 points this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a substantial increase. The fact remains he's played a tonne of hockey in the NHL. All the while against the upper tier of forwards and doesn't look that much out of place. And he's 20. I think he gets 3 million at the very least, especially if he remains with weber all season and doesn't falter.
I see Mete in the 25pt total or under. To me his an 2.5mil $ guy not a 4.
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10 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:
Sheesh. What's with all the back an forth about nothing?
Ask the detective
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10 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
As far as I’m concerned Metallica is just another poster with an opinion. I would like to see him join in on the conversation though and tell us what he thinks about his brother.
I guess I was wrong about you becoming Habs fans in different years though because Metallica said this just the other day:
Metallica:
“I know been a fan since 89 but if I see something bad i call it and say something. I don't see this team getting into the playoffs with this D.”
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Just another thing in common; You’ve both been Habs fans since ‘89. 🙂 He doesn’t like the D either.
Once again this post was made because I seen people blame price for goals. But if you look at them their not all on him.
Everyone and their mother knows our D isn't good so just because he hates In your eyes no one else can make a comment on it or else a stalker like you thinks their the same person. Wow buddy he really must of pushed your buttons to make you paranoid about him.
This is a former where habs fans voice their opinions about the team its not uncommon people have some same .
I am not saying the D is trash , but to make a push for the playoffs or even a run in the playoffs it needs upgrades.
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1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
Metallica had this topic covered a few years ago when he posted:
Price will never win a cup here in Montreal as long as management has the attitude that as long as Price is super human we don't need to give him any support because he can win us games by himself.
And fans need to stop thinking that as long as we have Price we don't need anyone else. HE NEEDS HELP, HE CAN'T DO IT ALL ALONE. Everyone needs to weak up other wise we're just wasting Price's good years.
Habsfan89’s first post:
Hi all even though this is my first post I always look in and read some post from time to time. Thought I would finally sign up.
Metallica’s first post:
Hi all whats up long time reader habs fan since 86’ thought I would sign up and start posting.
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The “Hi all” without a comma in both posts is very common and is probably just a coincidence. As is the fact you were both long time readers who decided to sign up and start posting. It happens all the time. That’s how we all got started here after all. I’m not saying you’re the same person, but you MUST be brothers. Maybe one became a Habs fan in 86 and the other in 89?
Watch out now everyone on this forum who's been a habs fan since 86" you all could be Metallica. Because their can't be no such thing as multiple fans in the same year. You better go look up everyone's post and try and match them up just in case you missed something.
Wow someone seems like they got a hard on for Metallica. I never said we should trade Price. I am just saying we need to get him help. Also a lot of the heat he takes is not all on him, but people put it on him because of his contract.
What ever hard on you have for Metallica that's your problem not mine
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8 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:
Roy never got anything close to the vote of non confidence Price gets. Not even 1/10th of it. So not quite sure what your saying here but it definitely is not accurate. And rightfully so. He won multiple cups with multiple teams and never went on a season plus+ long stretch as the worst starter in hockey as Price has recently Again, Price finished off last year very impressively he was great from mid December on. But Im shocked that anyone wasnt super concerned in November when he was continuing the horrendous and disastrous season from year prior.
What his performance in net has to do with MB boggles the mine. The same people so quick to hold Drouin accountable, or speak of Weber's "imminent downfall" are the same to deflect any accountability to our super star goaltender...
Every team has weaknesses. Our weakness should NEVER be goaltending!
I am say its not all on price. You need to look at defensive break downs which is on coaching system and also the talent that's playing in front of Price Which is on gm.
The D is soft and can't box out players which lead to open slot goals.
Are we just ripping him at times because of his 10mil contract? Or are people ripping him because he deserves to be?
You can't always look at the fact he let in 4 or 5 goals, you have to look at how they were scored on him. Before you can say it's all on him.
Its a little of everything to be honest. You just can't rip on person.
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9 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
I think it’s a good thing that anything can happen when Price is in net... 🙂
PS: Habsfan = Metallica? Similar style at least.
My god I didn't realize how sensitive people are about management in here.
At what point did I say i dis like management? I made this topic because in the leaf/habs game day people were ripping on Price on the goals scored on him. Just wanted to point out its all not on him.
All I am saying is management needs to do more. That's not hating on them. And no I am no Metallica. But hey think what you want.
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1 hour ago, Habber31 said:
All of these threads are basically the same thing. I dislike Bergevin too, but there's too many of these threads being started
Its not dis liking management , its saying Price gets a lot of heat on him by fans and management at times, because management trys to hide their weakness behind Price. They just can't sit on one player hoping that they alone can win you a cup.
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3 minutes ago, Commandant said:
As the highest paid goalie in the league he should be relied upon... and more often than not, he has delivered
Yes but he can't do it all himself. He needs help in front of him. You can't put a patch job of a defence in front of him and hope he holds his own.
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1 hour ago, tomh009 said:
Roy. Dryden. Worsley. Plante. Hainsworth. Vezina.
Price has never had the luxury of havIng the players in front of him that those goaltenders have had. Other than when he played for team Canada .
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One thing I hate hearing is
AS Long as Price is on top of his game,
anything can happen.
We need him to be a wall every game in order to have a chance to win. When he isn't you can really see our weaknesses. I think this is a big reason management doesn't address our team weaknesses. They rely on Price being a wall way to much. Our Defence has been a issue for the last 3 years yet it hasn't been upgraded. We see the struggles when we're on the PK. We need to give Price some support in front of him.
I think we have the scoring to compete with anyone, if we only fix our defence we can be a playoff team. We're just too soft on D.
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10 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:
Everyone is trashing the D Constantly but nobody At all is holding Price accountable for giving up a goal every 5 shots over close to 5 periods. We pay him substantially to be the best player and PK’er on our team and best goalie in the league frankly. And on most nights he should be just that.
With that said, He did settle down last night during the game but didn’t get challanged all that much in his last 2 games either.
Again, we can ill afford Price starting off slowly for 2 months before catching fire in December like last season. We need him to be consistently good all season long! Something we haven’t seen from him since his Vezina winning season which seems ages ago
Do you think that's part of the problem with management and in most part fan's? Do they/fans rely on Price to much to be perfect in net to hide the weaknesses of the team? I hate when I hear...... when Price is on top of his game anything can happen. No anything can't happen and he can't do it all by himself.
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3 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:
Everyone is trashing the D Constantly but nobody At all is holding Price accountable for giving up a goal every 5 shots over close to 5 periods. We pay him substantially to be the best player and PK’er on our team and best goalie in the league frankly. And on most nights he should be just that.
With that said, He did settle down last night during the game but didn’t get challanged all that much in his last 2 games either.
Again, we can ill afford Price starting off slowly for 2 months before catching fire in December like last season. We need him to be consistently good all season long! Something we haven’t seen from him since his Vezina winning season which seems ages ago
It depends on how those goals are scored on him. Are they off defensive break downs, or are they goals that should be stopped?
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
I dint care about the Leafs being on a back to back. The doesnt explain why the Habs have 41 goals in 11 games which is averaging almost 4 goals a game. They arent always getting teams on back to backs.
He was right. The problem is not scoring.
I agree with him that the problem isn't scoring. Its our D, it always has been our D. After last year I was hoping that we could pick up some D's on the free agent market or through trades but that didn't happen. Our PK is bad because you can see our D has a hard time boxing out players and clearing the zone. 5 on 5 its easy to hide but on the PK it isn't.
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15 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
Quite. D is our weakness, and particularly exposed on PK. So my point was that we should not be thinking about getting more forwards; a top-four LD should be in everyone's letters to Santa Claus.
Yeah my thought all along this off season was to re vamp our D on the left side. Last year scoring wasn't a problem it was keeping the puck out our net and our special teams.
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51 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
This game just underlines the fact that scoring really isn't the issue.
Don't be too sure Toronto played last night. If they were well rested could be a different story. The issue with this team is its D. Theirs a reason why our PK is bad because it unmaskes our weaknesses on the D side. Our D has a hard time boxing players out and clearing the zone. 5 on 5 you really can't notice it that much but on the PK you can.
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He is saying that Holland was lucky and that drafting and development had nothing to do with his success in Detroit. That Holland isn't a top gm just a lucky one.
So I pointed out that Bergevin must of been unlucky his first few years As gm for Montreal because zero of his draft picks are playing for Montreal today, and just one Rose is playing in the NHL. it had nothing to do with drafting and development. But the last 2 years his luck must of come back because the drafting has been a lot better.