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Seems very popular to trade whole bunch of mediocre stuff from Habs for top quality player from other team.
Would be nice if happened that way, but will likely be more painful than that to get top six upgrade.
Like a Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, 1st picks, Gallagher, Scherbak, McCarron, or Beaulieu.
But as usual, seems most as saying Bergevin MUST pull off a deal and it must be earth shattering...or he isn't doing a good job, nor does he realize 'cup window' is closing fast and cant be patient.
the fact you in include pacioretty is a joke.... pacioretty is arguably the biggest trading chip forward in the league right now... his size, speed, production, defensive ability and scoring ability coupled with his salary makes him"the guy" in any deal. do you know what a team would have to give up to get pacioretty in a deal.... he would clearly be the biggest piece in that deal. would you do malkin for pacioretty straight up? i wouldn't!! because they both have similar impact just one is younger and paid less then half the amount!
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Guy also said Gallagher should be captain. He said it shouldn't be how many goals you score that makes you a captain. I kind of took that as a stab at Max.
for sure it was and then he followed up with patches can't do it all on his own...
I read that. Refs hate Gallagher. Right or wrong, the best captain is one that the officials are going to respect. I think Pacioretty is the guy. Hands down
pacioretty should be captain hands down... unless markov wants it
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said that long ago. HE IS NOT A TRUE NUMBER ONE CENTER..............got blasted for it on here. By bias i mean that i have given up on pleks after years of poor play off games and all but disappearing in elimination games. Would like to have him as a second or third line center.
"the problem with pleks is he is our best center when he should be our second best" yes. which also can be stated like this.......... One of the major problems with montreal is Plekanic is their best center. They will never win a cup till that changes. That's calling a spade a spade.
Yes in case you need even more clarification. That is knock on our Habs.
All poor Turtleneck did was prove once again how badly we need a better center to play in his spot.
Ok so we agree... Problem is if you read your endless texts most would say they come to the conclusion that you believe plex sucks... And Not that he's our best C... But let's move on.
Also, if we bring in a better center to replace him as the 1C won't this be a sideways move and create another hole in the 2nd spot? If we are serious about contending for a cup plex should be staying and we should be dealing DD and or Eller! Otherwise we will need 2 new top Centers and will be pretty much overhauling a very successful hockey club!
Centre depth
The new guy;)
Plex
Delarose
Mitchell*
Flynn*
McCarron
And AG27 being the wildcard...
On a side note Guy Lafleur endorsed AG27 to play C, but he's been known to have less hockey sense then on ice talent... JUst think of his absurd comments about max 67 LY!
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His numbers arent 7 million dollars good. I can't see anyone offering him that kind of cash. What I can see is a shorter deal giving him an oppurtunity to earn a deal like that in the near futureZero chance Habs can maybe just extend him 1 year before free agency kicks in? Petry's agent will likely want a huge deal with weak market eh?
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Yes i am bias. Wont change my mind. Seen enough of pleks since he was here in hamilton then 700 plus games later i'm tired of him.
I do agree that he is a good team player and pk specialist.
i also watched him in hamilton... and he scored like 200pts in those 3 seasons.... bias analyst's belong in toronto sports... in montreal we call spades spades, not hearts... he's a very good hockey player and the habs will have a huge hole to fill if he's moved and a 60+pt C who plays the hardest minutes on this hockey team doesn't replace him. like i said before he is not the problem... the problem with plex is he's our best Center when he should be our 2nd best!!
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yup.... but them russians can drink booze like the most of us drink water
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Radulov is one of the top five best Russian born players in hockey right now.
He also loved playing in Quebec.
what a force he was for the Remparts.... arguably one of there best ever players... if either he or kovalchuk signed in Mtl we would probably have to pay them upwards of 8/9 million minimum
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Radulov isnt real committed teamplayer is he?
i laugh at the bad rap this guy got for leaving Nashville... imagine the KHL was better then the NHL and max pacioretty was playing there and decided he wanted to go back to the NHL where he would be able to play in his hometown of connteticut and make more money? is that bad?
he was going to make only like 3 million from nashville or something of the sort coming out of his entry level deal... and the his hometown KHL came calling at more then twice the dollars... id go home to!!! and I'm the biggest team player you'll ever find! kovalchuk turned down a $100 million dollar signed contract to go home.... a $100 million turned down to go home. that guy clearly plays hockey for more then just $$... id take either in a heart beat if they were willing to sign... even both
He tore up the KHL. This is a guy I'd take a risk on too.
yes he did... and he looked elite on russia at the olympics as well
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It's not a matter of the Habs not wanting to sign him. It's Reway choosing not to sign until he's guaranteed an NHL spot. He's not ready for one yet so he'll keep playing overseas. Montreal has his rights for two more years.
correct... he also left Gatineau after ripping the league up and decided Europe would help him develop more so then another year of junior. he's was right as competition there is 10x more playing against adults! Cant blame a guy for wanting to play in an arena full of fans in a pro league in europe rather then a pro league (AHL) with zero fans in hamilton at an average attendance of like 2,000
That's what it is. I never bothered linking to the original piece as I was all but certain it was incorrect. One thing of note from that article is that Reway will not be attending rookie or development camp and will not be signing this year.
he won't attend rookie development camp but i thought i read he would attend training camp??
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Ok...I saw that Andrei Kostitsyn wanted to make an NHL return and didn't even bat an eyelash...no way. BUT, now Radulov wants to as well. I would not be adverse to taking a gamble on him (say 2 years at a reasonable price, and perhaps conditional on a team-appointed 'sober coach' to make sure the vodka consumtion is at a minimum). He has proved difficult to coach, but he would be the shot of true top level talent we need on RW right away if he panned out. Heck, even booze soaked, he likely produces more goals than any RW currently on our roster or in our system.
Thoughts?
radulov or kovalchuk for sure... kostistyn no way
noticed all of a sudden there is a french article on reway? need a translation....
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Pleks epic gaffe on the failed dump-in off Max's back still grinds my gears. But, he isn't the only one that let me down this post-season. MB will get something done this summer..i don't know what, but we've got to improve up front. Perimeter play won't cut it. Just wondering, what's the general consensus on Martin Reway? I've only seen him at WJC, so I'd say he's pretty slick offensively. However, WJC success doesn't necessarily translate to NHL success, so I'm not going to wish upon a star
he's very good.. i was loving him the previous WJC but he didn't get enough love even though he had tonnes of points in an early exit playing with the Slovaks. people were loving our finn because they went deep and maybe hoping he'd be our next koivu.
this year he captained the slovaks. absolutely all of there offence went through him. he led them to an unlikely bronze. he was one of the players of the tournament for a 2nd year in a row.
Reway has been one of the best players on Sparta Praha this season as a 19 yr old tied for 3rd in scoring in reg season while playing 10 less games and seeing less minutes on the 3rd line (**note to Eller). finished the season as a point per game skater in the pro league. For reference he completely outpaced San Jose's Tomas Hertl
scoring as a 19-year-old in that league. he again finished 3rd in playoff scoring and helped sparta to the final four. he is a PP dynamo as well. on the small size, not quite DD small but plays with much, much more offensive talent.
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so now getting back to what will make this team a better club? everybody seems to unanimously agree we need a fresh face in our top 9 at C. most believe its the #1C that needs to be addressed.... after reading everybody's thoughts and opinions there is quite a few things to consider. mainly
Plex is a UFA at next seasons end!
DD is being paid 3.5 but can't play the minutes at C during the playoffs and lacks the blazing speed of other C of his size (think tyler johnson) and is signed long term
eller is overpaid for a 3rd line C without the consistent secondary scoring. take out his 2 mini hot streaks and he's nowhere to be found for long stretches of the season.
DLR is a young and up and comer paid pretty much squat
Mitchell UFA
Flynn RFA
if i was the GM (which I'm not) i would be exploring oppurtunities to move...
DD and his 3.5 million or permenantly move him to 3rd line LW
eller and his 4 million and give the young DLR the 3C role
id sign or extend...
sign mitchell as our 4C and possibly sign flynn on the cheap for depth at the position.
id also offer plex an extension at the same rate of pay.
the free agent market for Centers offers absolutely nothing unless we want mike "the distraction" ribiero
so the trade market is our only option unless we re visit the whole galchenyuk debate...
can eller, a mid prospect or 2 and a high draft pick bring in the grizzly jumbo joe? could you imagine the explosion of goals for patches and galallgher... there is no doubting joe thortons vision on the ice as a set up man and ability to make his wingers better. he's big but also unproven in the playoffs
Max67# jumbo joe$ BG11***
reway* plex$ AG27***
DD# DLR* DSP***
prust$ mitchell$ weise#
flynn#
andrighetto*
sherbak*
NB*** PK#
AM$ JP#
AE# GP*
JT* TG#
*rookies
***young gun
#prime
$veteran
**NOTE MOVING AG27 to RW could take advantage of his skills with the stick and force him to cut to the net and make a play rather then circle the perimeter or a take a low% shot??
also the added option of trading DD and moving up a winger is there or keeping him as a 3rd LW and C depth... i just think moving him will eliminate an option MT will surely fall back on the moment we hit a bump in any road. keeping him will help to not destroy a very tight room though.
this to me is a nice mix of fresh blood, young guns prime players and veteran presence
traded
eller
PAP
unnamed prospect
high draft pick
released
gonchar
weaver
malholtra
allen
IN
tinordi LD
reway LW
andrighetto RW
mitchell C
Flynn C
thorton C
this would be my vision for a serious stanley cup run starting next season...
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Did Tomas Plekanic "need a Max Pacioretty" ? Yes. But it didn't help. He still couldn't out score Eller, Gilbert or Smith Pelly in the play offs.
I do not disagree that larry was a disappointment in the twelve play off game the habs played. Maybe hopes were high after his play off a year ago. But its the top six you look at first. Chucky did not play well. TP was horrible. Larry playing with the rookie and weiss did not light it up.
larry played with prust not del arose in the playoffs and they were a very effective line minus actually finishing.
patches, gallagher and plex formed a very dominant line when it came to chances and shots derived, but they just like everybody else on this team were snake bite. I'm not defending anyone here and know you are judged by actual putting the puck in the net. with that said, as evidenced by your constant reminding of how plex said "he played like a girl" back in 2009 or whatever year ions ago... i think you are slightly bias vs the turtle necked czech.
plex had his fair share of chances to score or assist and even his failed dump in game 3 was a rare routine mis-hap on his part culminating many, many instances were that round puck just didn't slide in our favour period in these playoffs. and nothing went his way as well as most of our players. you can't dismiss that he didn't play well but had a bad case of that good ol' excuse called "puck luck". in fact he had the game on his stick quite a few times in these playoffs but it just didn't seem to go for him. be it missed empty netters, breakaways, one timers etc... it would be interesting to see the amount of grade A chances plex created with his line mates and how many of those were missed opportunities. his defensive side of the game was good as well as he was able to stymie stamkos for long long stretches just to give one example. didn't he directly hold the most dynamic forward in hockey (arguably) to zero shots in 2 games? something must be said for getting into the right places at the right time at any particular moment and just failing to finish the play. give it a break... plex is a much, much, much, much better rounded hockey player then lars eller! much better! we got it, we need a Center!!! we don't need to get rid of plex though. id argue its DD and eller's $3.5 a piece that have to go
also, it wasn't that long ago that plex had the revolving door of line mates on his wing. for years he was the guy who was saddled with almost every player on his wing at one point.... what did he do? just consistently score 20+goals a year on top of being be our best shut down C and continue to be asked to be the first guy over the boards on the first wave of PK and pretty much every situation during a game.
and on a side note some might say that galchenyuk's game dropped very very significantly the moment he was displaced from plex's line!
just saying put it in perspective.... plex was not invisible in these playoffs. he had his chances and didn't convert.... albeit again....
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at this stage gallagher is definitely more impactful then AG27.
i just think with the continued growth of beaulieau, pateryn, tinordi, DLR, gallagher, DSP and yes galchenyuk... this team can only and will only get better.
i also think introducing Reway to the top 6 (who is to my belief our best offensive prospect by far) to the wing and a trade of DD and PAP and this team is really starting to take its contending shape....
also to note that people laughed at Big Mike at C and have already set his value at 4th line C but the guy is the best C so far on all 4 teams in the Mem cup.... and that includes the highly touted Draisatal... just saying he was drafted as a winger and galchenyuk as a C but sometimes we end up getting what we want just not exactly how we planned
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plex is our #1 all around C when it comes to defence, offence PK, PP face-offs and TOI etc.
DD is our #1 offensive C. given the bulk of his minutes in the OFF end...
is that better??
but do note that plex just recently started playing with patches and for the most part of the last 3 seasons DD has played significantly more games then plex exclusively with our 2 best wingers and thats a fact. sure he doesn't get the TOI like patches or plex but thats because he plays zero minutes on the PK and is sheltered from defensive zone face offs for the most part.
all of last year plus the playoffs and all of this year minus a 10 game try out for galchenyuk and the games down the stretch this season, as MT realized if he was gonna ride patches and he couldn't possibly offer DD those same minutes hence the change.
step 1 MT finally excepts DD is not able to play 19:00 a game on the top line. and both patch and gallagher needs those minutes!!
step 2 MT realizes that although plex's overall game is good, he just doesn't produce the offense at a consistent enough clip. he is a great shut down C with secondary scoring to the tone of 20 goals a season.
step 3 MT finally tries Eller there?? after ellers 10 second pause when asked of his happiness at his role after the playoffs. MT pulls the plug almost instantly after deeming eller lacks the hockey IQ to play that many minutes??
step 4 repeat step 1?
or do we finally bring in a new look at this most important position.... evolution my friends... we need to evolve
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+ players
pateryn ---great playoff debut
petry ---did everything needed and asked to be coveted as a UFA
gilbert --- played well up until he was put out on the left side against a high forecheck (borderline flat)
gallagher --- wow this guy is the definition of "little giant"
DSP --- up't his game and intensity exponentially but wasn't trusted with extra minutes even when he was going
Eller --- points aside was a good possession player and for his role played well
mitchell --- great energy Center and fantastic at the dot..
prust*--- discipline issues aside, created havoc and often his line was our best line. some golden missed chances I'm sure haunts him (missed breakaway comes to mind)... he did play rather well
flynn --- showed no reason to be taken out of the line up but lack of scoring across the board forced this roster change
flat players
price* --- pretty tough to elevate his game.....
weise --- thought he could of agitated a little more as well as be more physical
subban* --- disipline issues and being out played by karlsonn hedman and petry
patch* --- coming off a concussion puts him in this group. started to turn it on late creating chance after chance. but forwards aren't evaluated on chances
emelin --- formed a pretty decent pair with petry and was often asked to take all the defensive zone face-offs, responsibilities. should of been alot more physical especially in the OTT series i thought
beaulieau --- thought he would break out these playoffs but injury derailed him. looking forward to a full season with an increased role on our team.
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markov --- disappointing that therrien rode him into the ground when all of habswOrld was crying for him to be rested down the stretch
DD --- this guy is all heart but a 1st line C he is not. he just can't cope as a 1st line C with the increased physical play and obstruction that comes with the playoffs
plex --- chance after chance after chance missed. his defensive game was again positive. but the team needed goals and this guy was as cold as our now melting northern ice caps for the ?? how many consecutive playoffs?
PAP --- his injury plagued season continued throughout the playoffs. game winner in game 5 highlight not withstanding
galchenyuk --- I'm questioning his vision on the ice (make his line mates better) and his willingness to get to the danger areas where goals are scored
delarose* injured
thats my list for playoffs.
how many goal posts did we hit these playoffs? they say puck luck but i say you have to be good to be lucky!!
my final assessment would be that this team continues to build off the previous years and will be even better next season.
year 1-- great rebound season after alot of changes. and outplayed sens but couldn't beat the goalie and lost in 5.
year 2 fantastic season and great run. depth was an issue and after defeating their arch enemy BOS losing price our MVP and wiese created problems they couldn't overcome. still 2 OT losses(one in double OT) and a 1-0 game 6 loss in the 3rd was admirable in the ECF.
year3 2nd overall, with no power play at all. health was not an issue except patches getting hurt at the worst time of the season. after overcoming an old demon... anderson and the sens with a scare that is.... scoring, scoring scoring was the main and only issue i thought. the chances were there for almost every game we played in the playoffs but execution wasn't, finishing the play was just not there as was all year... is it lack of talent?
year 4
-the evolution of the team would point to MB addresses our need for a top C to replace DD between patch and gallagher just as he addressed depth last year.
-with gallagher , galchenyuk and patches locking down 3 of 4 top spots.. leaving one opening I'm hoping comes from promotion from within the ranks.
-the defence i think is fine going into next season with beaulieau and pateryn given permanent roles and the promotion of tinordi. resigning petry is priority #1 ... or at least I'm hoping
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Draisaitl & 6th 2015 & 7th 2016
Eller Tinordi Reway Fucale 1st 2015 & 2nd 2016
i would argue reway is better right now... and on top of that you wanna throw in a legit 3rd line C in the league (eller), another 1st round 6'6" D man on the cusp of finally getting it and cracking the line up and a 2nd rounder..... and a highly touted goalie prospect playing for his 2nd memorial cup in a very very short junior career?
glad your not our GM or we would have our cupboards bare in no time...
Draisaitl for tinordi straight up? would probably be the most logical play here
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grabner? ya lets move sideways instead of forward shall we... no thanks!!!!
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No Brian Boyle is bigger and much better player.
McCarron is still playing vs mostly 16-19yr old kids, not men...will be big difference for him this fall in St. Johns, don't get too excited quite yet.
But, hope he does well and will be nice to see him play at Memorial cup again this weekend.
(Boyle had 31goals in his AHL rookie season, if McCarron can come even close to that I would be very surprised.)
i hear ya Don but, i was just talking about his body of work with oshawa thus far... said it "could be an interesting development" considering all the AG27 talk.. clearly boyle is much better and 10 years the older/ wiser but with that said....
6'7" 244 lbs age 30
6'6" 225 lbs age 20
not much of a difference in size and id go as far as to say big mike loses an inch but will end up thicker.
Brian Boyle is a great bottom six player, I've grown to respect him over the last two years and I would trade him for Lars Eller in a heartbeat.
me too.
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PK Subban ($9,000,000) - 3 stars -- highest paid d-man in the league but was not the best D-man
Carey Price ($6,500,000) -5 stars -- wwwwowww!! co-MVP
Andrei Markov ($5,750,000) - 4.5 stars -- played better and more then he was paid to regardless of his age or previous injuries .. they don't call him the General for nothing
Tomas Plekanec ($5,000,000) - 4 stars -- not a #1 scoring C but... 5mill for 60 points and one of the best shut down C's in all of hockey... great value there
Max Pacioretty ($4,500,000) - OFF THE CHART STARS no comment needed co-MVP
Alexei Emelin ($4,100,000) - 2.5 stars -- hits and shut down D way to inconsistent for a player that gets no point production either
PA Parenteau ($4,000,000) - 1 star -- only because of his shoot out heroics and game 5 game winner
Brendan Gallagher ($3,750,000) - 5 stars -- the little "big giant" is part of my co-MVP
David Desharnais ($3,500,000) - 4 stars -- all season long playing sheltered minutes with our best winger. wasn't his best season but for $3.5 he met expectation.. he's in a fight i believe with Eller for a roster spot next year
Lars Eller ($3,500,000) - 2 stars -- very disappointing after signing a big contract! one of him or DD will need to be moved
Tom Gilbert ($2,800,000) - 3 stars -- fair salary only because of how much MT used him
Brandon Prust ($2,000,000) - 2.5 stars -- over paid for his stone hands, but as our only muscle could easily go to 3 stars
Dale Weise ($1,025,000) - 5 stars -- this is what prust should be making...
Jacob de la Rose ($925,000) - N/A not enough games or TOI to rate
Devante Smith-Pelly ($800,000) - 2.5 stars -- came into the line up slow and out of shape, hopefully shows up shredded and ready to break out next season
Greg Pateryn ($575,000) - 4 stars -- thought he was better then NB going into the season and even outplayed everyone in training camp, nonetheless will be a mainstay barring trade next season
Dustin Tokarski ($575,000) - 2 stars -- bad season after a very promising playoffs LY
Alex Galchenyuk (RFA) - 4 stars -- great contract for a top 6. if he hit his bonuses then not so fond of his year...
Nathan Beaulieu (RFA) - 3.5 stars -- up and down for a good chunk of the season but was able to supplant vets like gonchar and weaver...
Brian Flynn (RFA) - N/A not enough TOI to rate
Manny Mahotra (UFA) - was a face off dynamo and besides not getting points (which most of the team did?) not quite sure why he was dropped
Mike Weaver (UFA) - N/A
Torrey Mitchell (UFA) - good playoffs would like him back on the 4th line on the cheap
Jeff Petry (UFA) - 5 stars -- thought he outplayed PK in the playoffs resign this guy for markov money
Sergei Gonchar - 0 stars -- did nothing to earn his 5 million except get moen off the books
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galchenyuk will be signed, we need not worry...
we should be worried about getting a new center, right wing and left wing...
Big Mike McCaron has been playing C since the trade from london to oshawa and he has flourished in the role.. he's scoring while shutting down the other teams best C, playing on the PP as well as the PK... could be an interesting development... he would instantly be the biggest C in all of hockey
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riberio??? no bloody thanks
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patch, gallagher, galchenyuk, Prust, Weise , DLR and DSP are all mainstays i believe and no upgrade needed..
pacioretty 1C 1RW
galchenyuk PLEX gallagher
3LW De la Rose DSP
prust MITCHELL Weise
not included in this group isplex Celler CDD CFlynn Cmitchell CReway LWsherbak RW shoots Lhudon LWandirghetto LWPAP RWThomas RWMcCarron RW-mitchell can and should be retained as a local boy who will sign on at the cheap-realistically we have a 2nd line centre in plek and if he's not traded then 1 of eller or DD should be- at least one if not 2 kids will make the jump to the NHL and my guess is one of either Reway, hudon or sherbak. my belief is reway is the best of them all just as i said last year. he's had a great season in europe and has been a dynamo on the PP. (just what we need) and after a great WJC LY he followed it up as a captain and another great tournament. the kid is very talented. hudon has the AHL inside track and sherbak has so much potential. Big mike needs to work on his skating in the AHL for at least a season...mind you trades could change everything....bold= non trade bait -
the defence barring trades will look like this
Markov PK
Emelin petry
Beaulieau pateryn
tinordi gilbert
dietz bennett
beaulieau subban
markov petry
tinordi pateryn
gilbert
depth veteran signing
at least this is my depth chart when comparing our depth from the dogs as well. when adding intangibles like salary and age/ youth id like to see markovs minutes reduced in the reg season only to a 2nd pair role and beaulieau thrusted into a 1st pair role to see what we got.... his time is now... the guy id move is emelin because of tinordi being the much cheaper alternative i think his time is now as well. the right side top 2 would be set in stone with PK and petry or vice versa for that matter. with a battle for the 3rd spot with patron and gilbert.
the forward group is much more complicated...
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we need help at Center now.... not years from now.... but next season. we need scoring help now... not in 3 years from now...
thorton or staal is very very ideal and exactly what we need.