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On 11/11/2024 at 7:34 PM, Commandant said:
He wouldnt have been free.
As Brian explained, post trade deadline we likely get out of LTIR, which means for guys on rookie contracts still (Slafkovsky, Hutson) etc... if they hit any of their bonuses, they can be counted this year. With Fabbro, any bonuses hit will he a cap penalty we would absorb next season.
The AHL time is not the same development as NHL time and Hutson, Xhekaj, Barron and Struble all need NHL minutes more than AHL minutes.
The 50 man contract spot is also an issue as we want empty spots for a different waiver claim or for a College/CHL free agent.
So there is always a cost.
If it was truly no cost, then our management would have claimed him. They didnt which means, like any move, there is both upside and downside, and they felt the downside was bigger.
I'm not convinced Xhejak couldn't benefit from ahl time but the ltir penalty next season is a fair reason not to.
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8 hours ago, Lanes World said:
Matheson’s hockey IQ is very questionable. He’d be on my trade list. Vet or not
7 hours ago, Commandant said:Yeah lets get rid of one of the few defencemen on the team capable of playing top 4 minutes. Im sure that will make our defence better.
7 hours ago, GHT120 said:Unless the trade is for the RH anti-Matheson (i.e., mostly defense, little offence) capable of Top 4 minutes ... admittedly, much easier said than done.
5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:Another Hail Mary idea.
We need MORE experienced D, not fewer.
And without Mattheson, we’d be over-using Hutson even more than we are now. Even as it is, we’re setting him up to get injured, like so many of our other top prospects have been.
Further thought: put Mattheson on a team that plays reasonably solid defence, and his errors would matter a lot less. He is exactly like Petry: a really good puck-moving defender who sometimes makes dumb plays in his own end. Since perfection is not a realistic option, that is a very valuable commodity.
I think we'd all agree that what we need is a more responsible vet presence to balance out young mistakes... trading Matheson for that makes perfect sense.
Sadly after looking around the league I see no trade/player that realistically makes sense for both sides.
Every team with possibly a free body already has a solid pp dman or the the guy coming back is too bad offensively or too good overall to make it a good trade. Plus there's always cap shit too.
Likely too difficult to do that kind of identity shifting trade in season.
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5 hours ago, Commandant said:
Why you want to do it is clear.
What isn't clear is if it's the right decision, and my opinion is that the thinking is flawed because it takes minutes away from younger defencemen for a guy who will be a Free Agent in July.
That's my opinion, and the forum is for sharing opinions... Now you can either debate it or make an insult like telling me to fly a kite or something cause my opinion disagrees with you.
I think that our d needs more vets. To steady the ship a bit and stop destroying young players confidence.
Have a player commit to the AHL until the deadline when Savard is likely moved. Then we still Fabbro to be a vet defensive guy.
Also... he'd have been free.
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7 hours ago, Commandant said:
I think too many here are fixated on the idea of what Fabbro could be, and not the reality of what he is.
I think the reality of our defense means that the reality of fabbro would likely help.
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3 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Yeah, they obviously didn't want the guy.
That doesn't mean they're happy with what they have, but it does suggest that they aren't so desperate as to grasp at straws. If their pro scouting says Fabbro isn't likely to help, then they have to trust that.
And yes...Nashville has been terrible. If you get waived from a terrible team, you're probably pretty marginal yourself.
All of that being said, I still think a capable bottom-pairing veteran could help this bunch.
I mean I don't think it would have been bad at all to claim him and just keep one of the young guys in the AHL.
Rotate him and Barron keeping one of Xhejak or Struble on the L.
If he is brutal than waive away. If he isn't than maybe he can replace Savard.
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We need some fresh life on this team.
Just claim anyone off waivers and blast some of these guys to the moon
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4 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
At the moment, the bottom six is not the problem.
I mean... do we even have a top six with Jake Evans as the 2C?
Dear god i hope we claim Fabbro just so we have a different name out there.
The effort on the leaf goals was horrendous jesus.
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
You are going to downgrade your defence in trading Matheson for a RHD.
You also would be giving up one of the best contracts in the NHL.
its possible to do, but I just don't see an obvious player that another team would be willing to give up a quality RHD for him. The issue league wide is RHD are more rare than LHD.
Yah and having looked across the league quick... the "around 30 rhd" options basically to a man have ntc protection that likely includes us.
So I go back to it being a LHD (maybe a LH who plays RD if possible) who is more responsible. We need a vet who can be a steadying force. Who can actually play minutes. Especially if/when Savard is moved at the deadline.
Edit: just to be clear I'm not some sort of "we need to trade matheson" guy. I am more focusing on how imo we need a different style of player out there for that many minutes a night. Plus trading guys at peak value seems like a good move.
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56 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I've been thinking the same thing - but not just D for D, but for a more responsible RHD. It should also be someone who is part of the futures We have a lot of draft and prospects that could also be added, because a Solid RHD won't be cheap.
Well I doubt a team will be too kean on moving a youngish rhd. It would be very specific. But a 30 year old rhd who could be in the top four would be great. Transition down to the Savard role in a couple years.
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I think we should move Matheson for a more responsible player of a similar age.
Find a team that wants a little more offense from their back end. Maybe we don't trade for a dfd but just a more reliable guy than Matheson.
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Wow this is exciting.
No idea how it'll workout but it is certainly fun!
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If they match both are they still under the off-season cap? If both ceci and kulak were waived + Kane on ir would they have enough cap?
I didn't check because I haven't bothered to figure out puckpedias future thing.
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On 7/29/2024 at 1:41 PM, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I saw that article. I agree that Washington could be a serious bidder for Laine although after adding Dubois, Mangiapane and Chycrun their cap situation is pretty tight. It would likely depend a lot on Oshie's injury situation. If Oshie doesn't go on LTIR then Washington would have a lot of juggling to do.
Montreal is in a much much better situation cap wise to get Laine.
Having ovi, magepane and laine?
That's a lot of shoot only guys. I don't think its a good place to revive his career tbh.
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On 8/3/2024 at 10:38 PM, Commandant said:
Exactly. They reported to the gaming commission out of an abundance of caution but no bets have been uncovered.
The issue is that he was posting to a non-sportsnet employee who spoiled the show on twitter. And he was doing it not with info he worked to uncover, but with the info the NHL provided sportsnet to have graphics ready in the truck, highlight packages, cameras on the prospect and family etc.
He was ruining his company and the league's show all while benefitting someone who is unaffiliated with the company.
Meh not having Marek ruins the show more than some guy on Twitter I haven't heard of posting things.
But admittedly they likely had to let him go. Overall I'm just glad it wasn't something more nefarious that got him canned. Seems like a very likable guy... don't need to find out more people are evil lol
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4 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
Yeah so turns out the Slovak reporter who said the Habs offered Mesar, Harris/Struble +1st for McGroarty just translated an original article from Hockey30
LMAO rumours are fun
Hilarious
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On 7/6/2024 at 10:29 AM, Commandant said:
I expect some improvement from having a healthy Dach and Newhook, which will give us a better second line, as well as some improvement from the defence due to them growing and maturing.
I've said for a while that we need another top line forward (who would play on the second line) to get into the playoffs, but I do believe we can be competitive for longer with the team we have.And there is still plenty of time before training camp for trades. I'm still hoping for one of Laine, McGroarty or Ehlers. That said, Necas hasn't been traded yet either.
How concerned are you about Ehlers/Necas being perimeter guys with reputations for struggling in the playoffs?
We need offensive talent but would acquiring the wrong talent this year be forcing it when others may be available next year?
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18 hours ago, Commandant said:
Jake Allen, Joseph Woll, Stuart Skinner, Pyotr Kotchekov, Connor Ingram, Anthony Stolarz, Ilya Samsonov, Laurent Broissoit, are all ranked ahead of him. There is no way he's worse than all those goalies
I generally understand why most of those goalies are ranked ahead of him.
Skinner just went to the cup final. Ingram, Kotchekov got a lot of good press this year. Broissoit and Stolarz were Ufa media hyped. Woll is Toronto type.
Surprised about Allen and Sammy... allen did hot for NJ post trade maybe that + name rec? Sammy was so publicly blasted I'm shocked he is there.
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On 7/4/2024 at 4:12 PM, Commandant said:
I disagree that Vibes are as important as results. I think we want to take a step to playing meaningful hockey in March and April. That doesn't mean we need to make the playoffs, but we have to be in the race at least. That's the next step in the rebuild, the youngsters experiencing some pressure and important hockey games.
I meant more from a fan perspective. Some progress sure but I have no illusions of being a late season playof contender after the moves some teams made.
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On 7/2/2024 at 5:22 PM, Commandant said:
That (and the injuries) would be why its one year and cheap.
If he plays well he could help the second line and help in a playoff chase. If we are too far out, and he's playing well would likely fetch a good package at the deadline. If he plays poorly its easy to just stick him on a bottom line or in the press box.
There is room amongst the forwards still for a vet scorer, and cap space to do it.
I like Laine, McGroarty and Tarasenko as better options, but beyond that he might be a good plan C or D
It would be a nice redemption story.
Patches end here was so contentious.. it would be nice to mend that bridge. Since vibes are basically as important as results next year lol
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Question... would management we have interest in acquiring Ceci? Edmonton needs capspace and would pay to move him.
Would free us up to move Savard at the deadline and provide insoluation on rhd to ensure Mailloux/Hutson in AHL for half the season.
Obviously we have to move dmen but mainly on the left. Having ceci would help us move Guhle to the left.
Mattheson-Savard
Guhle-Ceci
Xhejak-Barron
Struble
Move out: Harris
Ahl
Trudeau-Mailloux
Hutson-Reinbacher
Engstrom-GENERIC DUDE
Then once Savard or ceci are moved... mailloux/Hutson comes up and Engstrm gets more minutes after getting used to na on the 3rd pairing?
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1 hour ago, DON said:
Average NHL team will play 10 or more NHL d-men every year.
So cant see 2 of this group moving, especially when 3 havent even played NHL yet (1game dont count.. see Poehling
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But, moving 1 seems likely will happen, i hope is part of a bigger package for good young forward and not for more picks.
Well I figure they will sign a vet to be the 7th unless they rotate Xhejak-Barron-Struble.
I just think guys like Harris, Strubble and Barron may not increase in value. Might be a good time to move a couple. Then bring in a vibes 7th d vet to help in practice and jump in sometimes.
Matthesson-Guhle
Harris-Savard
Xhejak-Barron
Vet 7th
I'm just concerned about ahl minutes.
Struble-Mailloux
Hutson-Reinbacher
Engstrom-VET
Trudeau
Just awkward for minutes through the organization. They need a good solid vet d in ahl for stability and teaching too.
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4 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
Tanev gets 6 years from the Leafs at $4.5M. He's 34 years old. This feels like one of those under the table agreements that says he's spending the last 2 or 3 years on LTIR.
Well I don't imagine it needs to be discussed. The guy is 100% going to break down. No need to even do the shady handshake under the table lol
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1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
Plenty of roster changes? 🤔
Like we probably should move like 2 more dmen?
Matthesson-Guhle
Harris-Savard
Xhejak-Barron
Struble-Mailloux
Hutson-Reinbacher
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8 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
I’ve seen nothing other than McGroarty and that was close to happening at the draft but obviously didn’t.
And Kovacevic is gone for a 4th
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obviously fabbro was the answer