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15 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
We have Pezetta, Poehling and Romanov, KK tuned into Dvorak, Galchenyuk into Josh Anderson, Sergachev into Drouin, Jordan Harris, Jesse Ylonen and Cayden Primeau will be here soon. It's not stellar for sure but not quite as terrible as you make it out to be.
I hate the KK turned into Dvorak argument. (Not a personal attack, as I have heard this often). Truth is we completely mismanaged KK. Then desperately needed someone to take his place and scrambled to get Dvorak. There was no plan to move KK for Dvorak. Saying KK turned into Dvorak is really a stretch.
Absolutely Sergachev turned into Drouin. That was a move. KK was a clusterf#$k of epic proportions.
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18 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Excuses!
ww are l my missing a dominant goal, three fourths of the top-4 D and our top line
what could go wrong?
surely that incompetent VP of Hockey Ops fault : Fire Gorton!!!!
Just curious - where do you see excuses? The post is just a straight observation of the changeover in the lineup. No opinion, excuses, etc. made. Unless you are looking for excuses of your own??
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Counting injuries, here's who is missing from the Stanley Cup final lineup.
WOW
Carey Price
Shea Weber
Jeff Petry
Joel Edmundson
Eric Gustaffson
John Merril
Forwards:
Brendan Gallagher (covid protocol)
Josh Anderson
Philip Danault
Paul Byron
Tomas Tatar
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Corey Perry
Eric Stahl
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'close the old boys club foxhole forever and bring les Canadiens into the modern era'
What does this even mean? Forget the 24 cups? Bring down all the banners? Ban Lafleur from the Bell Centre?
Might as well cheer for the Krakken then?????
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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Agreed. However, I think we disagree about what to do with Caufield,I think we should keep
him away from this train wreck and let him dominate in the AHL until at least thr trade deadline. Play Suzuki with scorers you want to move, and hope they do well to drive up the value of those wingers.
My guess, and it is only a guess, that the plan is to hire the GM first and let that person and Gorton name their new coach. No point in hiring the coach first then hiring a GM who is 'stuck' with a coach they don't want.
One step at a time!
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10 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
You must be a politician
I am a engineer. Numbers mean something to me and math is math
Great work!
Numbers always mean something. We just don't all interpret them the same way, but they always tell a story. Just because we don't like the story they tell or it is different than the one we have in our head, doesn't mean they aren't useful.
Again, great work.
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10 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I wonder why Molson changed his mind?
He doesn't speak French
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Keep hearing Roberto Luongo's name mentioned....
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6 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Just the ones that would improve the team.
and overpriced on-the-decline Gallagher or cement-hands Lehkonen or eternal-#7 Kulak will not fetch much
The problem is their value gets lower every day. I just don't see it going up. Getting anything for most of the players now is better than what we have. Plus it sheds salary and lets us see our prospects. I'm not suggesting throwing our players to the wolves, but let's go young. As far as I'm concerned nobody above 22 years of age is untouchable (so born 98 or earlier).
Seriously where is the value in any of the veterans.
1. There is much suckage
2. There are badly beaten players (gallagher, etc - it is a long list)
3. There seems to be no effort
4. Back to all that suckage
I'd completely blow it up.
Young players, picks and prospects. It worked in '86...
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5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Definitely a season to unload contracts on aging veterans. Petry, Gally, Chiarot, whoever.
That we do not have a bumper crop of young talent in the system to replace them means this will likely result in years of suckage, but at least we can use it to restock the talent pool.
We have Major suckage right now!
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Called up to the Habs
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What seems to be missing is a long-term plan. Instead it is always a scramble (and the Habs aren't alone)
Without looking at position, draft place, etc., I believe teams should be planning around type of contracts.
There are really 4 types (an argument can be made for 5, but I am trying to keep it simple for his example).
1. - your top level players (on average earning between $8-$10+/million season)
2. - your tier 2 players (on average earning between $6-$8 million/season)
3. - your tier 3 players, and those on bridge deals (on average earning between $3-$5 million/season)
4. - your tier 4 players, and those on entry level contracts (on average earning between $1-$2 million/season)
With an $81.5 million dollar cap hit - teams should structure their teams as follows (and I've averaged the salary per group):
1. - 2 players ($18 million)
2. - 3 players ($21 million)
3. - 5 players ($20 million)
4. 14 players ($21 million)
Yes, you can juggle the groups a bit, but remember if you want less Group 4 players and more Group 3 players, you'll have to have less Group 2 players as well.
Sure, it is tricky, but GMs are paid millions of dollars to figure that out. It literally is their job, isn't it?
What makes this even easier is that teams know when players will graduate a level, for the most part. Entry level contracts move up to bridge deals, then move up to either tier 1 or tier 2 (depending on the player).
A GM should always being looking at their team this way. Yes, the Pandemic has led to a stagnant salary cap which makes things a little more complicated, but lot's of things always factor in).
Players do things on the ice (it is a game).
For GMs it is in the board room (it is a business).
Successful businesses have a plan, and a contingency plan (or plan B)
So, what does Montreal have right now (and I'll take Weber out of the equation) (and a $5.5 m player, for example, would be in Group 2):
1. - 1 player ($10.5 million)
2. - 4 players ($23.75 million)
3. - 10 players ($35.675 million)
4. - 8 players ($7.757)
Total = 23 players - $77.682 million PLUS Alzner's buyout of $1.958 million = $79.64 million
Room =$1.86 million
And - I did not include Caufield, or the following players who are filling in for the massive number of injuries we have now:
Pezzette
Poehling
Belizile
Norlinder
Primeau
Montembeault
Striking the right balance is crucial. But as i aid, planning is even more important - Suzuki goes from $863,000 to $7.875 million next year....
Evans also goes up about $1m next year, but the Alzner buyout drops about $1m to even that out.
Everybody else stays the same
And the following players are free agents:
Lehkonen (RFA)
Chiarot (UFA)
Kulak (UFA)
Romanov (RFA)
Paquette (UFA)
Perreault (UFA)
Some won't be back, but those who aren't will have to be replaced....
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Alex Anthopolous
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We, the members of the David Savard Fan Club, ask Canadiens management to have the defenceman in the stands signing autographs at each game (home and away) for the remainder of the season.
That will keep him OFF THE ICE and give him a chance to earn at least some of the ridiculous contract he is signed to!
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Time to blow it up! Not just a reset or a rebuild. No need to wait and see when Price returns. Blow it up now!
This isn't panic after last night's loss either, but realistically the Habs are like a Battlestar Galactica episode.
'A rag tag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest...for a shining planet'
Or in this case a win or two....
There is no 'team' in Montreal anymore. Just a collection of spare parts, thrown together, hoping something clicks.
We have an aging goaltender, a star defenceman who is so badly beat up he most likely will never play again (at least not with out plenty of duct tape!), Gallagher isn't far behind, Drouin who still hasn't shown he is an NHL star (but we keep hoping, and every once in a while when the stars align - there is a sign...)
Then we have a bunch of third and fourth liners.... Armia and Lehknonen will never be the type of players to lead the team. Anderson, Dvorak, Toffoli and Hoffman aren't either....
Suzuki is the cream of the crop but he is no McDavid or Draisatl....
Then we have Caufield. Who could be the next Koivu...or could be the next Galchenyuk! (I'd take Russ Courtnell at this point)
Our blueline is -to put it plainly and honestly - terrible!
Savard is (count on it) the next Alzner. Edmundson peaked in the playoffs. Chiarot is...well Chiarot.... Petry is on his way down the hill....
And Romanov, at least so far, is far from advertised!
There is nothing - nothing - to get excited about on the farm.
So - blow it up. Go with an AHL team. We can't do much worse than last night. And see who rises to the top. Maybe there is a surprise! And use the blow up to land picks and prospects. As many as we can.
And it is time for Timmins to go! Sorry, but his highness has had a long run - that coincides with the bleakest period in Habs history! Why are we rewarding that? Players obviously aren't being developed. Solid picks are obviously not being made (even a broken clock is right once every 12 hours).
We have fallen into the Great Canadian Sports Quandry - Win now, win all the time or the fans and media will roast you!
Time to sit back, fan the flames, get roasted, and BLOW IT UP!
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4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
This is getting ridiculous. The kid is a top prospect - that’s agreed upon by everyone in hockey - and in fact the ONLY grade-A prospect in the organization. He was brought in straight from university hockey and parachuted into the playoffs, with zero time to marinade in the AHL. When we did that, I was quite skeptical, predicting that he would start strong and then tail off. Kids need to learn how to be pros, how to walk before they can run. CC had a stronger playoff than I expected and was a pleasant surprise.
Obviously, the kid couldn’t be sent down after that. But guess what? He tapered off, starting the season with 1 point in 10 games after having become gradually less noticeable during the playoffs. At that point, the team reverted to what it ideally would have done all along, i.e., have CC put in some development time in the AHL.
And for this, fans are now anointing him the new Gilbert Dionne or Paul DiPietro, another Habs developmental failure, at age 20.
Worse, some of the same fans who retroactively denounce the Habs for bringing up KK, Galy, Mete, and other prospects “too soon,” are now playing Chicken Little because we sent down Caufield. You can’t have it both ways, guys.
I have no problem at all with Caufield learning to dominate night-in and night-out in the AHL. This guy has never played more than 36 games in a single season and we expect him to be a first-line all-star NHL winger over 82 games and (in theory) playoffs? I think he has the potential to be something special, but throwing him to the NHL wolves is NOT the way to get him there.
Not ridiculous at all. I hope Caufield is the superstar we all want him to be, but as of right now - the comparisons are correct. What he did outside the NHL doesn't matter at this point. Just like it doesn't matter for Galchenyuk or Yakupov, etc.
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4 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:
I think more comparable would be Anderson, Romanov and picks. Montreal doesn’t really have a Krebs comparable as I believe Caufield has more value than Krebs.
I think what’s being lost here is the 1st is top-10 protected, so Buffalo isn’t even getting a high 1st. That pick should be expected 20+. Which isn’t a high draft pick at all.
The ask was a top-6 forward, A prospect, B prospect and 2 unprotected 1st.
Even at that, i would have pulled the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat if I was Marc Bergevin.
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so basically - Dvorak, Poehling and the picks???
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16 hours ago, Commandant said:
Comparing a guy who did things at age 20, who won the Hobey Baker, who set the US NTDP record for goals and is widely considered one of the top prospects in the NHL, to guys who were flashes in the pan and not top prospects, who did that at age 24 or 25 is not the same.
You're right. DiPietro and Dione were 2 whole years older and had amazing playoff runs that were crucial in the team winning a Stanley Cup. And both played a full season with the Habs the next year.
DiPietro (22 years old) - 8 goals, 5 assists in 17 playoff games
Dione (22 years old) - 6 goals and 6 assists in 20 playoff games
Caufield (20 years old) - 4 goals and 8 assists in 20 games
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On 9/7/2021 at 8:31 PM, alfredoh2009 said:
I am still reluctant to think of Caufield as the Habs best option to play on the top line. Not because I do not think he can play well and even win the Calder
far all the reasons expressed on the forum in the last few days, with regards to Habs prospect development, I much rather have:
Drouin-Suzuki-Toffoli
Hoffman-Dvorak-Gallagher
Armia-Evans-Anderson
Perrault-Paquette-Lehkonen
And Caufield starting in Laval unless he wins a spot on the NHL top-6 handsdown. I think that a short stint in Laval, playing top minutes and refining his game would be beneficial to him
But of course, I am probably the only one that thinks that
This made a lot of sense...
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On 8/16/2021 at 3:06 PM, alfredoh2009 said:
💫 let's feed the hype machine 💫
Yet earlier this afternoon
'and I restate my views from the beginning of the season that rushing Caufield and expecting him to be a 30g scorer this season was premature and unrealistic'
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On 9/6/2021 at 7:10 PM, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Yup. Caulfield will have to play his way out of a job. He and Nick developed great chemistry and let's not forget he did it in the playoffs when time and space is harder to find.
Paul Dipietro or Gilbert Dione anyone?
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On 9/6/2021 at 5:26 PM, titanfan said:
Which is why I can't understand why everyone is putting Caufield in on the first line. Seriously?
He has played all of 10 regular season games. He looked good. But he hasn't even earned a roster spot yet, let alone the first line?
It would be great if he EARNS that spot, but he could just as easily be in Laval by the end of November.
And, let's be clear, I really like Cole. I really do. But he hasn't PROVEN anything yet.
Made it to November 1st...
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22 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I agree with you, but I can't help making a pedantic point: going by team scoring leader totals doesn't prove the team is low scoring, necessarily. If you have 10 guys getting 65 points, you're a pretty effective offensive team. A more convincing metric would be the team's overall goals-scored totals annually, compared to the rest of the league.
Good point. And having no scoring leaders doesn't mean you are necessarily a bad team either. No question, balanced scoring is what helped the Habs in the playoffs. The point was just how long it has been since the Habs had a legitimate offensive star on the team. You'd think over that long a stretch SOMEBODY would have had a good season......
Thankfully we've had two goalies win Hart Trophies.
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So we trade Price but retain 50% of his salary, so $5.25 million?
We sign a middling goaltender for $5.25 million.
Now we are paying $10.5 million for a middling goaltender...
Might as well keep Price!
Retaining that much salary is crazy - and makes no sense.