Machine of Loving Grace
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16 minutes ago, Trizzak said:
They tried, Karlsson said no.
Had a feeling he was.
Different GM and he would have been on the list.
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Zub. Good name. Hope he wears a strange number to go with it.
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5 minutes ago, Habopotamus said:
The team is a mess right now.
Trade the centre you refuse to play at centre for a winger you decide to turn into a centre.
That trade is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Domi is doing faceoff exercises because Julien thinks they might need him at centre during the season.
Ahhhhhh hahahahaha
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58 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
Is Marchand a franchise forward? Gallagher is on a similar path.
Marchand has back to back 85 point seasons and would have had one earlier had Julien let him play powerplay. Between 13-14 and 15-16 he played the 8th most amount of PP minutes among Bruins forwards.
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35 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
Group B lines:
Drouin - Domi - Armia
Hahaha
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15 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Ok, let me ask the question this way: out of all the forward prospects we have, who is our franchise forward?
There isn't one yet.
I'm nowhere near as sold on Kotkaniemi as Commandant is.
Drouin still has the potential, he isn't done yet, but the clock is ticking.
Domi certainly isn't. Scherbak isn't. Gallagher isn't.
I don't believe this team has a forward yet that would be considered a franchise forward. Or defenceman (Weber used to be). Just a goalie.
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11 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Wasn't that the knock on Patches?
I would never say this guy got drafted here so he has to carry the team.
Pacioretty already had his role defined as the top winger. He was expected to lead. He often went cold in the playoffs. I won't take the first Tampa series from him, but otherwise we had many other players who stepped up over him. Heck Lehkonen was better than him against the Rangers shift in and shift out, and Flynn outscored him.
Not once did I expect Pacioretty to carry the Habs. I expected him to score more than 0 goals and 1 assist in 6 games against the Rangers as our team captain.
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27 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Even if Galy clocks in at 50-60 points, that still likely makes him more valuable than Domi, due to positional considerations.
Only the Montreal Canadiens could be stupid enough to trade a top-6 C when they quite literally do not have a single legitimate NHL top-6 C on their roster.
Arizona is interesting too in that they are weak on the left wing, so if Tocchett said no we need him more on the wing than centre, it would be understandable. But no, he said right out the gate he has a shot at centre. And his GM supports him in a way Bergevin never did.
I don't think he moves off centre for the whole season, good or bad. His wingers will change and that's it. If he and Strome look great, that gives Arizona three centres down the middle to build around with Keller, Perlini, Hinostroza, Merkley, and Fischer on the wing. Plus Crouse and Dvorak. Arizona is looking exciting if things fall into place.
(Disclaimer: Arizona is 2nd team this year)
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Deslauriers in the top six, Hudon on the RW, Bitten on the fifth line... ah whatever it's scrimmage.
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I'm good with that. He doesn't have much hockey left in him but he'll be a good veteran at camp.
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5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
If they don't we are sooooo screwed as a franchise
Isn't that what we all want and the purpose of the rebuild: to win the cup?!
I would never put that on one player. It's about a team.
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Hmmmm if it was up to me
Team A
Hudon - Danault - Gallagher
Tatar - Kotkaniemi - Lehkonen
Shinkaruk - DLR - Bitten
Deslauriers - Plekanec - FroeseTeam B
Domi - Suzuki - Drouin
Byron - Peca - Scherbak
Vejdemo - McCarron - Armia
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5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Defining "success in ARZ" for Chucky is what we will not agree on on this board
he will be a prolific 25-30 goal scorer there, I am sure; but that alone won't make him an elite concession player able to carry a team to the Stanley cup which is what 3rd overall should be able to do
So you expect Kotkaniemi and Drouin to carry the Habs to the Cup because of their draft position?
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39 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Galy has a higher ceiling and can play C. For these reasons, the *very best* that can be said for the trade is that it's a lateral move. It's a Marc Bergevin special for that reason. If Galy succeeds at C in Arizona the trade will be a joke.
Max Domi is a 12th overall pick in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft. In his post draft year he put up 93 points in 61 games for the London Knights. He had a strong rookie year with 18 goals and 52 points, but his numbers have declined since. In the following two seasons, he put up only 9 goals each season (9 in 59, 9 in 82) but last season he had a career high 36 assists.
Alex Galchenyuk is a 3rd overall pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft. In his post draft year he put up 61 points in 33 games for the Sarnia Sting. His best season so far was 30 goals and 56 points in 82 games. Max Domi has 36 goals in his NHL career.
When you compare their last two seasons:
Domi: 141 games, 18 goals, 65 assists, 83 points
Galchenyuk: 143 games, 36 goals, 59 assists, 95 points
Basically: Domi has to find his rookie season numbers again while Galchenyuk just needs to outplay Dylan Strome for the 2C position. Failing that, the top LW in Arizona is Richard Panik, so he could take that spot pretty easily and still be a top line player. If Domi still can't score 10+ goals in a season, he shouldn't be anywhere near the top line.
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We also have 17,000 wingers.
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11 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
On another note, how and why the hell didn’t Edmonton offer more??? Sure Karlsson may not like Edmonton and you lose him for nothing, but hell, if I’m Chiarelli I’d gamble on Karlsson falling in love with playing with McDavid, more than hating the Edmonton weather.
He had a 10 team no trade list. Edmonton might have been on it. They certainly were not one of the favourites like Dallas and Tampa.
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19 minutes ago, nihilz said:
It's almost like Melnyk is trying to lose his fan base ahead of moving the franchise. Soon he'll have no resistance or backlash when the time eventually comes. The league should step in and do something about this.
I would contract the team and award Ottawa an expansion team so long as they find a new owner. Do a draft for their players and start fresh.
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6 minutes ago, Commandant said:
No chance.
Yeah if we trade Weber this summer I think we could get a better return than this.
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26 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
So, that means you like the Patches trade, which makes sense...and what else - ? The Arnia pick-up? I like that too, but this is hardly a huge body of work.
I still have trouble here. You're implying that (basically) Geoff Molson is a quality NHL general manager. If this is true, then we're the luckiest fanbase in sport, to have an owner who is both interfering and an excellent hockey man. Obviously, my preference is that the owner hire a GM who can be trusted not to smash all the furniture and then leave him to do his job.
Now, if Molson is both calling the shots and making the right ones, maybe he is getting excellent hockey advice from some expert who knows the game. And if so, then that advisor should be made GM.
I'm just saying it hasn't been as bad as when Bergevin was trying to contend. When it was clear the 17-18 season was a bust Bergevin was angry and then he looked dejected and that's been his natural reaction since.
The Galchenyuk trade was still dumb and we haven't seen enough guys replaced from Marc's golf crew but I don't feel the same as when Marc was the clear driver. It isn't an endorsement. Just an observation.
I think Geoff wants to be hands on so when he picks a future GM he actually knows what the job involves and won't leave the next candidates to Bergevin and McGuire. Or maybe he's going to be control hungry and be like Richard Peddie and JFJ. I don't know, but the damage control process has been fine for the most part. Much better than I thought it would be.
As for liking the Pacioretty trade I'll just pop this question: what was the last time at the trade deadline a team got back a player with the ceiling of Suzuki and drafted as low as he was?
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18 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Hmmm. But to me, that's just more potentially bad news. I mean, what qualifies Molson to be giving anything more than very general strategic directives to his GM? He's basically a glorified fan. Meddling ownership is even more dangerous than a bad GM, because it continues long after that GM has been canned.
The only moves in 2018 I have disliked are the Galchenyuk Domi trade and drafting Kotkaniemi. Everything else has been out of character for Bergevin and been good returns or acquisitions for us.
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36 minutes ago, Dalhabs said:
And Erik Karlsson to the sharks
And the Cup.
Absolute robbery.
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1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I tend to agree with DON above...Molson seems to be committed to Bergevin despite his appalling track record. I have a feeling MB is going to be given a bona-fide opportunity to lead the 'rebuild' (i.e. the rebuild made necessary by his cataclysmic incompetence). May as well settle in for another half-decade of Marky Mark and the F*cked-Up Bunch.
I was listening to Pierre LeBrun on some radio show (it was a TSN show) and they were discussing the fact that Molson is very hands on at this point, and possibly the most hands on owner in the league. That Bergevin is just doing what Molson wants at this point and that's why he still has a job.
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19 minutes ago, Chris said:
I don't think there is 1 player in that top 9 who weighs 200 lbs,
That is one soft lineup
Armia is 205. Domi is listed at 198. Danault listed at 195. Scherbak might break 200 by opening night.
It's light but they will be good little grinders with Domi, Shaw, Armia, Deslauriers, and Gallagher buzzing around.
Eating at a couple buffets ain't gonna win this team any games.
2018 Training Camp Thread
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I would be quite fine with this line.