Meller93
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6 minutes ago, DON said:
But, he did fall in rankings and not a good sign, it "seems" like the kids who fall, in long run, do so for good reason.
There are lots of safer seeming options at 27-33. The Russian kid with cancer is one i would like to see them gamble on, if he slides.
Sometimes, then again Aatu Raty fell last year and the. Had an excellent draft +1.
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15 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
If you look at some of New York's drafts under Gorton, I wouldn't say they were leaning towards safe picks - they were often picking higher-ceiling players well above their draft rankings with the hopes that they'd pan out to be better than those projected to go above them. (That strategy didn't work particularly well...)
Yea, I’m not advocating for picking well above average rank that’s for sure. More so advocating for people who slip because they have some question marks (but high upside).
Reaching would be disappointing to me on draft day. But I’m the end I dont care what they do as long as it works out!
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4 minutes ago, Commandant said:
There are a few swing for the fences style picks you could go for and yes Lambert would be one of them if he falls.
I wonder if any of these risky and/or underrated guys will just slip to our Calgary pick?
Lambert, Mirischenko, Mateychuk etc. I’m just scared we’ll go with boring picks with low ceilings and high floors when we can afford to take some risks with all the picks we have.
And I wonder what the HuGo approach will be considering it’s their first draft with the canadiens. Keeping my fingers crossed
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If Brad Lambert slips to 20 would he be worth trading up for? He’s another swing for the fences guy. He was regarded as a top 5 pick in this draft a year or so ago.
After a relative guarantee in Wright as a top 6 Center, I personally would take those risks for the biggest payoffs.
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1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
Yes. We don't quantity we need quality, high quality. I am all for trading up if the right guy is available. That's why this draft is so interesting, they have a lot of options after the first pick.
Mateychuk Mateychuk Mateychuk
Love that prospect
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20 minutes ago, Commandant said:
His team isnt strong depth wise and they were playing him 20-25 minutes a game to make up for it.
It was on his back that they even made the second round.
Hes the best player in this draft and we shouldnt overthink this.
Ok awesome, that does provide some context
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There have been some concerns for ver Shane Wright’s playoff performance. Apparently he was in the ice for something like 25 goals against? It’s this BS or is there a context to make it more understandable. Certainly was hoping we’d see him up his game.
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Also what kind of ceiling/future do you think Durzi has?
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4 hours ago, Commandant said:
After the way he played down the stretch and in the playoffs, I dont see the Kings trading Durzi at all.
And if im wrong and they do trade him, that deal is not close to the value they will want.
Damn, I wonder what they’d be looking for
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If we trade Petry, there’s a player I would LOVE to see the Habs trade for. This guy is Sean Durzi of the LA kings.
This year he got a lot of opportunity because Drew Doughty was down. But even before that, he was playing so well they couldn’t keep him off the roster.
27 points in 64 games as a rookie d man, he stepped straight into a top 4 role, as well as top PP and never looked back, this guy is also an excellent shot blocker, and has a little bit of a mean streak.
Why would LA trade a 23 year old d man like this? Well their was only much room for him because Doughty went down. With him back, we have him, Troy Stecher, Matt Roy, and top prospect Brandt Clarke all vying for time on the right side. There’s simply no room. Plus, Durzi is an RFA and will need a new contract.
If Petry goes, I think there is an amazing fit here as MTL will have a glaring hole on the right.
we also have an embarrassment of draft picks to sweeten a deal, and enough left defence prospects to make it work. I do think Durzi has some value now so it wouldn’t be a freebie here.
Poehling, Norlinder and a second for Durzi.
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13 minutes ago, DON said:
This is simply a crap shoot, as with most stuff when projecting 17 yr old high school kids.
Has zero to do with a kid saying, "I am #1 and that is important to me." in an interview.
I see as opposite like a Suzuki, who doesnt need to TELL folks he is great.
But, i guess everyone has been kissing his ass since he was anointed extraordinary in the OHL. So, i assume a swelled head is to be expected.
Personally I didn’t see a swollen head. It didn’t come across as cocky to me, just confident. He’s going to need that swagger with the pressure cooker of Montreal.
Also I don’t think it’s been all ass kissing for him. This year, and even the exact question he’s responding to is about how people are doubting him. He handled the question by showing he’s sure of himself, he is laser focused. He knows what he wants and he’s getting it. I want that guy on the team. I loved the way he handled it if I’m honest, but each to his own. -
Perhaps a better description of who I’d like to see drafted, is the player who has the most upside.
You see guys like Jason Robertson slip due to skating. He improved, but is still not elite at skating. He’s tearing up the league due to his other elite qualities.
Guys like point and Debrincat likely fell due to their size. Years ago Jamie Benn slipped all the way to round 5, and if my memory serves correctly it was because he was stuck between choosing hockey or baseball.
All of them showed top upside, and oozed raw talent. Those are the guys I want in my prospect pool.
I’ll take 1 Brayden point and two busts over 3 de la rose’s
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8 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
No question, we need high end talent not safe picks. We need quality as quantity of prospects is not our problem.
Can someone enlighten me on why it EVERY pick shouldn’t be a swing for the fences?
What I’d prefer personally is at every single pick taking the guy with the highest ceiling (within reason/still looking at the complete player).
imo you can sign depth players, you don’t need to draft them per se. I’m not sure why any draft pick should be a “safe pick”. Keep swinging, eventually you will find your gems.
Drafting Josh Roy or Sean Farrel are prime examples of doing this.
But maybe I’m missing something as to why this is a bad idea
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4 hours ago, DON said:
some top ten kids at worlds, not likely options for Habs but;
Slafkovsky 2a
Nemec 1a
Jiricek 1g
Marco Kasper standing out vs USA, he may be mid-late 1st round range?
Ranked #18 by CONSOLIDATED RANKINGRanked #27 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COMRanked #18 by FCHOCKEYRanked #17 by TSN/BOB McKENZIERanked #15 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEYRanked #27 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTONRanked #14 by SPORTSNETRanked #19 by RECRUIT SCOUTINGRanked #27 by DOBBERPROSPECTSRanked #25 by SMAHT SCOUTINGRanked #21 by THE PUCK AUTHORITYLooking at the raw stats im surprised he isn’t ranked higher. Poor defensive game or something? With limited knowledge on the guy he looks like a great pick at 25-32 in the Calgary range
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4 hours ago, Commandant said:
I take exception to the idea that Cooley is more skilled. I don't see that at all. There has been a tendency to downplay the skill level of a guy who had more PPG as a 15 year old than both Tavares and McDavid had in the same league at the same age.
We are also forgetting that he scored more points than any CHL player who didn't play hockey in 2020-21. Those who had more than him were all in the AHL or USHL. Wright started slowly, but there was no one better in the second half of the season.
Is he very advanced defensively? Yes.
But people are using this and assuming he doesn't have offensive skill. That's just not true.
My thoughts exactly 👍🏻
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15 minutes ago, DON said:
But Cooley did score a nice 'lacrosse' style goal at world juniors (or U18s?). Pretty skilled kid.
I like Cooley too, woulda been happy if we dropped and ended up with him. I just think Wright’s a no brainer
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10 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Hope so, and I don’t consider myself a doubter. Just someone whose seek more habs live up to expectations, than actually achieve them during the past 25-30 years.
This is sadly very true too. I remember beyond way overhyped when Chris Higgins and Kyle Chipchura were coming through. In fact Poehling is startlingly similar to Chipchura lol.
Still, I’m very high on Wright. To be clear though, I view him as a 70-80 point guy in the future. I just think his complete game will make him very well regarded
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2 hours ago, dlbalr said:
He was a top-ten scorer in a top junior league while being younger than about two-thirds of the players in that league. If that's not dominating, that's really close.
On top of this already being true, there are just so many other factors that make me bullish about Wright.
1) He missed an entire year of development last year and still performed at this level.
2) I read a quote from his coach that to start the year (perhaps 10-15 games) he played with younger guys getting their feet wet, like Matthew Soto and Paul Ludwinski. This contributed to his slow start, but he was also a great sport about it and “put his work boots on”.
3) He ended the year strong once he got his feet under him after a full year off.
4) His focus on the defensive game likely won his team a lot of games, but it also might have hindered his production by 10ish points. Instead of being greedy, he played the (ahem) Wright way.
I’ve said it before, but I think Wright will prove the doubters wrong quickly
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I just envision New Jersey believing they are 2 pieces away from being a dark horse contender (along with progression from Hischier, J. Hughes, and Holtz.
Petry probably isn’t the best fit for them as mentioned above though.
id love for something along these lines to work though
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Just now, hab29RETIRED said:
Yeah. I figured that out reading subsequent posts. I was thinking you were nuts, and were more concerned with trying to dump Petry.
I thought Petry after his second half resurgence wasn’t seen as a cap issue anymore, figured he had some reasonable value. Maybe that’s where my evaluation is most off.
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Just now, hab29RETIRED said:
If they aren’t getting anything to move down (Petry, Chychrun are going to Devils), why would the habs move down. Not sure why would the habs want to give up players to move down to 3?
The first pick is not included in the trade proposal hahah
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11 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
I doubt any contract/player the Habs want to move out would work in a deal to acquire a high draft pick.
Yeeeea probably. Now that we got 1st OA my greedy ass is scheming up ways to pick twice in the top 3 hahaha
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8 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
I like the idea ... but the NJDs already have Hamilton and their leading TOI defenceman Severson as RHD ... don't think Petry fits a need for them.
Hmm good point. Maybe Petry isn’t a fit. Could another player be swapped in and it work? Gallagher?
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Perhaps, but no in this scenario Habs would pick 1 and 3
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As long as he doesn’t trade up for another Jared Tinordi 😅