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3 hours ago, Commandant said:
Stars acquire Tanev. Wonder if this starts trade dominos for D.
Let the arms race begin!!
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27 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
That's the one that stands out to me as he's in the exact spot Dach and Newhook were contractually. RFA this summer but instead of four years of control left like most first-rounders coming off their ELCs, he has five. He also might be acquirable for a later first-round pick which is where the Winnipeg one is bound to land.
Reichel certainly has some talent, excellent passer, has really struggled this year but put up some good numbers in the AHL and 15 points in 23 games with the Hawks in his first stint with the big team. Still only 21.
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1 hour ago, DON said:
I think Hughes is more likely to trade a pick(s) for another Dach/Newhook type and not trade up.
But, maybe no one else has a similar young player they are looking to give up on?
I also think that is more likely. In order to trade up you need a partner willing to trade down and that doesn't happen often. The Habs are at the point where they need quality not quantity especially up front. I would be willing to trade a couple 1st rounders (not their own, maybe Winnipeg's and the extra one next year) and a 2nd or maybe Harris to move up and get the guy you want.
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I have followed Iginla a lot recently. He is definitely growing on me. Could the Habs trade up to get another 1st round pick in the mid 1st round to get this guy. Also one of the youngest guys in the draft.
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1 minute ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Say what you want about +/-, but I always believed it was a relevant statistic when it comes to egregious outliers. E.g., if I'm -25 and everyone else on my team is a +, that is probably telling us something meaningful about my suckage.
I agree, it's not perfect but useful for outliers. Montreal was a 500 team for a long time but huge on the minus side. The plus/minus basically said Montreal won a lot of close games (they did in OT) but had some really bad ones. Not sustainable. Ottawa has obviously lost a lot of closer ones.
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Just looking at Vancouver's roster, Connor Garland has a similar contract (1 year less) and has struggled bit this year.
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1 hour ago, dlbalr said:
There's a reason I've brought up Mikheyev a couple of times in this recent discussion. He might be the match. $4.75M for one less year and his style might be a better fit for Montreal's system than Anderson while Anderson's might fit Vancouver's better. Mikheyev has dropped to the fourth line as of late so his stock is down (and his tendency to get injured would fit right in with this roster...).
Agreed, he might be a good match. Similar age, good skater, has some skill. If Vancouver values Anderson's physical play then there could be a good fit there.
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Ottawa losing, Buffalo losing, Montreal winning, I guess not every night can be good for draft positioning.
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41 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
If he doesn't "rebound" next year his value will only fall ... even a better but poor season could reduce his trade value.
Perhaps but maybe not. After next year he has only 2years left on his contract so then a buyout might make sense if he hasn't recovered.
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39 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I think there's a bigger market for him than many think. I'm not saying he has top-end value but I think there are some teams who would do a player-player swap. Is someone on a similar contract who's also underachieving who might be a better fit with this style a good enough return to move Anderson now?
You might be right. Anderson at his best can be a force and other teams are aware of what he could potentially bring unlike a slow and somewhat broken down Gallagher. I can't think of a player who might fit that category but they may be out there.
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14 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Need to add another difference making forward even after getting Dach back IMO
100% agree with that. Secondary scoring is the team's biggest weakness. There is nobody outside the 1st line that other teams worry about.
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13 minutes ago, Sir_Boagalott said:
I'm somewhat torn for the outcome of this game. I certainly want to Habs to draft higher than the Yotes but I definitely don't want to see the Habs lose 6 in a row.
I feel the same way. What will happen will happen. I expect a Habs win, Monty looks good tonight.
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8 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
I don't ... I-M-O he would be harder to move than Anderson; unless Bergevin gets a GM job ... unless they decide to buy him out, I expect him to be a ridiculously overpaid 3/4th liner next season and a 4th liner for the final two years of his contract ... unless he decides to request termination (unlikely).
I agree about Gallagher. Anderson is tough to move but easier than Gallagher. The only sensible thing to do with Anderson is to hope he has a rebound year next year and regains some value. Then make a decision. I don't believe Anderson is over the hill at 29. Hughes will be patient with this one.
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
I think the recent results and how they make the whole season look a lot like last year suggest that this isnt a playoff team next year either
Perhaps it isn't but I would like to see what this team would look like with a healthy Dach for a year. Maybe that is too much to hope for.
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35 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
The point I-M-O is simply getting rid of him ... he is not part of the long or even mid-term.
Neither is Gallagher. How do you propose getting rid of him?
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1 hour ago, GHT120 said:
An Anderson trade will currently (now or this summer) only happen if the other GM feels they can "fix" Josh and the Habs take back a similarly bad, but shorter term, contract; otherwise, why bother making the trade.
There is no point in selling low, Anderson will be a Hab for a while.
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3 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
On this Anderson to Van idea…Rutherford and Alvin just spent three years extricating themselves from the mess of Jim Benning’s atrocious contract management. I really don’t think they’ll jump right back in the sh*theap first chance they get. Now, if the Habs retain substantial salary, such that they get him at a decent cap hit, then maybe.
I think the Habs have zero interest in retaining salary on Anderson for the next 4 years.
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8 hours ago, Dalhabs said:
I have this feeling we better keep Savard as veteran help for all young D coming here. Only trade him if someone throws everything at us for him.
I don't disagree at all, there is something to be said for keeping a veteran presence on defense. I think Hughes would have to really like the offer he gets.
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I think this could have been included under the "Non-Rocket Habs Prospect Tracker" unless we want a separate thread for each Habs prospect. That might get to be a bit much.
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1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
Play like a Pee-Wee for Celebrini
That's probably my favourite. For full disclosure I am not stoned and will probably still like it tomorrow.
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2 hours ago, GHT120 said:
I can accept the argument for Anderson's value being at an all-time low, but even he bounces back to 17 goals/season average, given his inability to complement the other members of any line on which he has been placed I don't kbnow that his value would be all-that high.
As for Savard ... his value may well be as high as it is ever going to get.
Anderson's value may not be that high if he rebounds but it would certainly be higher than now.
Agree about Savard, very attractive target for a team that wants to beef up their defense for a long run in the playoffs. He is a warrior. Now if the Habs retained 50% then he is very very attractive, Savard at 1.75M for 2 playoff runs is definitely worth at least a 1st in my opinion.
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3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
I would be surprised Anderson rebounds under MSL. I doubt that happens
What is the alternative, throw a bunch of sweeteners (ie draft picks) so someone takes him? Montreal will wait on Anderson.
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29 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
I think that Anderson at a lower cap hit would be just fine in any cup contending’s 3rd line.
Sure, a cup contender might love Anderson at 2.5M/year or less but that is not the reality.
The problem with trying to trade Anderson now is that you are selling at the lowest possible point, not good asset management. Better to wait and see if he rebounds next year unless you are able to catch another GM in a weak moment.
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1 hour ago, GHT120 said:
But would he help them for 3 more years at $5.5M against their cap?
Who does Vancouver have that the Habs could (a) take back to offset the cap-hit ... AND ... (b) for whom Anderson would be an upgrade?
Not certain there is anyone.
I thinking we are all grasping at straws trying to make an Anderson deal work when in reality it is very difficult. I haven't seen anyone propose a decent deal for Anderson yet that is fair to both sides.
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Absolutely agree. I think it's time to bundle some picks and a young defense prospect to get a higher draft pick and get another stud forward. While Reichel is interesting, I am not sure he is the guy they need.