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    Non-Rocket Habs Prospect tracker

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    40 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:


    Well this sounds amazing. 
     

    It does seem like he is in competition with Beck for third line centre once Dvorak is gone. 
     

    Best player in the league is exciting. Habs have a bunch of prospects about to push for roster spots and I’m looking forward to that 

     

    That does sound amazing, you can't have too many good prospects especially at center. 

    Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

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    37 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

    It's very interesting to note that there are two potentially high-impact, relatively young C who will likely be available on the market this summer: Dubois and Zegras.

     

    Of the two, whom would you rather acquire? Zegras is younger and a better contract, we know that. But then again you could probably get Dubois for far less valuable assets in return because of the salary. 🤷‍♂️

     

    (I suspect HuGo will acquire neither, and will instead surprise us. But who knows).

     

    I think "potentially" is the right word. 

     

    I have very serious concerns about Dubois now, don't see how the Habs take on that contract, he hasn't shown up this year.  I just don't see how or why you would take a chance with his current contract. A hard NO for me. 

     

    Zegras on the other hand is a little more interesting for me. He had a crappy year with injuries so the asking price is likely a little lower than it would normally be. His contract is not ridiculous for a guy who should be a 60 point a year guy, perhaps higher. If the price is right then Zegras is potentially the more interesting of the two. 

    Permanent Rumour Thread

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    4 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    Sure if you know you are actually giving up a tugboat, and are actually getting a battleship.

     

    how would have a Martin St Louis for Montreal’s #7 overall pick have worked out at the 2001, before St Louis had his big breakout? 

     

    Small tugboat St Louis to Montreal, so Tamp could draft the potential battleship  Komisarik (or players drafted after him like Rutto, Sjost9rm, Hanif’s, or Hemsky)? I’m sure Tampa’s happy they didn’t trade their tugboat for a potential battleship!

     

     

    How is the St. Louis trade or all those other names relevant to this?  There is always some uncertainty/risk when trading a player who hasn't fully developed yet. There is no reward without some risk. 

     

    I just think the trade put forth by GHT was the most interesting trade proposal I have seen yet. Most of the ones I have seen usually involve Montreal getting far more than they are giving up. This was a major trade proposal that could actually work for both teams involved. 

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    2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:


    I think this trade comes down to what Mailloux turns into. If he becomes a first pairing stud then Habs lose, if he is a bottom pairing guy then Habs win. 
     

    Presuming the Habs draft two high end forwards at pick 3 and 5. 
     

    Definitely an interesting proposal 

     

    There are a lot of unknowns with this trade. How far will Mailloux develop, how much further will Zegras develop, what will the #3 pick turn into? 

     

    This is also another factor regarding this trade. I think in the back of Hughe's mind there is the thought that Mailloux will have an easier time away from the spotlight of the hockey mad Canadian cities. California would be perfect for that. 

     

    I just think there is a deal possible between Anaheim and Montreal because there is a fit of complimentary pieces. 

     

     

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    I think it's a very fair proposal. I see benefits for both sides. 

     

    What I don't want to see happen at the draft this year is when Montreal comes to draft at #5, all the forwards they covet are gone and the BPA is yet another defensemen. Hughes has to make sure that doesn't happen. 

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    9 minutes ago, hockeyrealist said:

    Mailloux is a god damn stud.  He finished tops in AHL d scoring and tied for 7th  overall in scoring in his first season.  Someone he was tied with: Shane Wright. Shane the touted prospect and high pick who could very well represent what you’d get with a top 5 pick.  

     

     Mailloux will be an NHL all star at some point, he will be a 50-60 point dman and if properly paired with someone defensively minded (like Guhle) he will not be a liability.  He is that good and getting better.  His defensive game improved this season and given the limited action he had over prior two seasons, I believe there are strong signs that he has the tools and desire to improve all around.  While he has a flawed past, since he’s been a Hab he has done nothing but prove he has grown and improved, and can play wicked good hockey.  Big. Mobile. Aggressive. Yessir.

     

     

     

    If I was convinced Mailloux would be an all star then perhaps I would not make this trade. I am not as convinced as you are.

     

    If you make this trade

     

    a) you are almost guaranteed to end up with a stud forward at #3 (Demidov or Lindstrom) 

     

    b) you have more choices at #5, a stud defensemen or maybe Iginla, Helenius

     

    c) plus you have Zegras who might be really motivated to prove himself with a new team

     

    It hurts to give up CC but overall this might be a better team. 

     

    Trades like this are fun to talk about.  In any event I do see possibilities of an Anaheim/Montreal trade as they do have pieces that compliment each other. 

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    15 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

    Whether or not it is a good idea ... it is a "little bit" more than Caufield for Zegras.

     

    It's a lot more than Caufield for Zegras.  If you break this trade down into 2 components. 

     

    a)  Caulfield for Zegras

    b)  Mailloux and Winnipeg's pick for the #3 pick

     

    I think you would do part b) all day long.   But you would probably not do part a)

     

    Overall I think it's a fair deal. I know everyone on this board would like to give up a couple tugboats for a battleship but that's not how it works. 

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    18 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

    Mailloux, CC and Winnipeg's first for Zegras and Ducks #1 ... as an opening offer

     

    That is an interesting trade proposal. It certainly gives Anaheim something they are looking for. To get something you have to give something up and CC is certainly a very good piece. This is actually one of the better trade proposals I have seen as it made me think a lot about who is getting the better deal. I think it's pretty fair. Well thought out. 

     

    I would think both teams want to see how the ping pong balls fall before entertaining something like this. 

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    1 hour ago, tomh009 said:

    I expect this would be the primary focus as most 18yo D-men are still multiple eyars away from the NHL.

     

    Not always multiple years. It's not also easy to find teams willing to give up top 4 right handed D in a trade. Unless you are willing to pay a premium. 

    Permanent Rumour Thread

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    14 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

    An important factor to take into account when considering any trade proposals involving Anaheim

     

     

    That makes perfect sense as almost all of their good young defensemen and forwards shoot left.  They would be less likely to draft a guy like Lindstrom and more likely to draft a Levshunov.

    2023/2024 season Playoff discussion

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    4 hours ago, GHT120 said:

    I have to admit ... I am in the "Habs should be the next Canadian team to win the Cup" camp ... it isn't in any way logical ... but being a fan generally isn't.

     

    Absolutely, as I have said many times, fan is short for fanatic, absolutely no logic behind being a fan. You are either a Habs fan or you are not, there is no middle ground. 

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    24 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

     

    Kidney didn't exactly impress this year (and might be more of a winger than a centre) and Mesar might be too small to be a centre.  So we're looking at Beck and Kapanen as prospects whose stock is on the rise, maybe Xhekaj one day in a lower role.  Not bad but the cupboard isn't fully stocked on the prospect front at centre.

     

    On the NHL roster, there's some depth but with two pending UFA's, it's short-term.  Add to that some uncertainty as to where Newhook's long-term position will be and there is definitely room to augment that position.  It's certainly better than it was a few years ago, sure, but there's a lot of room to add still.

     

    For me the key is Dach. It's a shame he got hurt so early in the year. It robbed us of the opportunity to see if he is a long term solution at center. If Dach can stay healthy (hardly a certainty) then we could be set at center.  It would have been nice going into the draft this year with a little more certainty about Dach but that's the way it goes.  

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