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36 minutes ago, Commandant said:
I see DlBlair and GHT have already explained how LTIR works...
Getting Weber does not help the Oilers to re-sign Kane, so again there is no reason to give up actual value to get Weber's contract.
Yup, there is no benefit to the Oilers, doesn't increase their cap space. If Weber goes anywhere, it will be Arizona who has to get to the cap floor, that's who it might benefit.
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4 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Is the price paid by Dallas, about what it would take to get Weber off the books?
https://thehockeynews.com/news/stars-trade-ben-bishops-contract-to-sabres
im pretty sure Phoenix is in the same boat, and they probably need to reach the floor for a lot more years.
That's what I am thinking, a later round draft pick. If it was much more than that then might as well keep him on LTIR.
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14 minutes ago, DON said:
Is it Hughes final call..simply with some input from LaPointe/Bobrov/Gorton/Amateur scouts. Or, is it: if Gorton likes Nemec more than Wright, would Hughes defer to his choice?
Does Gorton's track record as GM in NYC, really matter much? I really not sure what his role is?
I believe there will be a lot of consultation, a lot. But I also think the final decision will be made by Hughes.
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25 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
I guess the key questions with such players are (a) do Habs see the possibility for such players to upgrade their skating (perhaps a kinesiologist would have some input) and (b) do such players "play fast" (e.g., quick release, make proper decisions quickly, move puck well) to offset a lack of foot-speed ... full disclosure ... for absolutely no particular reason Connor Geekie has long intrigued me as a possible pick.
I guess that's always the big question is determining how much more development there is with an 18 year old, especially ones who need to upgrade their skating as there is no more important skill. Some guys peak earlier than others.
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43 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
Yes. But it was a year ago. Much has happened since then: new VP, new GM, new player/hockey development, new coach -- and Mailloux's on- and (particularly) off-ice development.
Let's wait a few weeks and see what happens. Mailloux has some baggage but he also undeniably has significant potential.
Agree. Whatever Hughes does it will be well thought out decision. I expect Mailloux will only be traded if the Habs find a partner to trade up and Mailloux is the final piece to make it happen otherwise they will watch his development closely with the Knights.
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40 minutes ago, DON said:
He simply hasnt played enough to even guess what he should be valued at, other than pick #62 if goes unsigned.
That's what makes the discussion interesting is that it is not clear cut what exactly his value is yet but he certainly has value.
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3 minutes ago, Commandant said:
I valued him as a late first, where he was drafted.
Tuch i dropped in value cause hes done absolutely nothing since his draft. He looks terrible
26 + 31 + late pick for 16 seems fair.
I agree. It does seem fair. Hughes has a lot of pieces he can use (Mailloux being one of them) to move up.
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8 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Mailloux is a little closer but how much. Hes played like a dozen ohl games and a couple dozen games in a third tier swedish league in the last two years. Im really concerned about his development.
I absolutely would trade 26, mailloux and tuch for 16.
That's what makes this discussion interesting. He hasn't played much but a lot of chatter about him having a very high ceiling so what value do you place on him? He could be the piece teams are looking for if Montreal wants to trade up.
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10 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
🥰 I feel the 😍, Mr. Potato Head is back! 🥰
It was a good proposal, made sense and worth discussing. I like Mr. Potato Head better. LOL
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31 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
Interesting. The value I think is a little steep but it depends on their valuation of Mailloux. If they're not signing him, they'd peg his value at the compensation pick which is a late 2nd and if that's substituted in for him in your proposal, the value is pretty close. Slide down ten picks, get a decent prospect and a future late 2nd in return. Sounds reasonable if Buffalo is looking for extra depth.
I'm one of the ones that thinks Mailloux has more upside than what's out there and I think Tuch is primed for a bounce-back year next season so I'd hold onto him in the hopes his value rebounds (and becomes signable) so I wouldn't do that deal myself but it's a decent proposal.
I agree that Mailloux has a lot of upside and I think they peg his value at higher than a late 2nd. Hughes is smart, he will try and get maximum value if he trades him, otherwise he will wait.
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1 minute ago, GHT120 said:
My only concern is that there have been some reports that Mailloux is as good or better than any of the Habs defence prospects ... makes me think that it could be important to see more of him before trading him ... it could indicate he should be kept or at least increase his trade value ... he only played 12 games this past season but scored 3 goals, got 6 assists, had 13 PIMs and was a +7 ... he is also the test case for the "improved" off-ice support programs of HuGo.
I agree and I would be hesitant to trade him until we see more of him but I have no doubt that other teams are fully aware that he has a pretty high ceiling and Hughes may move him sooner rather than later for the right deal. I would wait but Hughes may not.
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1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said:
this article about Alex Tuch being captain in BUF, made me think of a trade proposal:
https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2022/06/09/alex-tuch-should-be-next-buffalo-sabres-captain/
To Montreal: BUF 2022 draft pick #16 (from VGK)
To Buffalo: MTL 2022 draft pick #26 (from CGY), Luke Tuch(LW, 2020#47), Logan Mailloux (RD, 2021#31)
Buffalo gets Mailloux to play shotgun to Owen Power, BUF is a small market which should benefit Mailloux
BUF also gets Luke, Alex's brother and a 4th line prospect that may develop better being close to his brother
BUF also keeps a 1st round pick this year
Montreal gets closer to elite talent than from #26, which is what they need. They may (at worst) select a RD with more potential than Mailloux and less off-ice issues. Or some elite FW that may fall
Not a bad proposal as I get the feeling Hughes would move Mailloux at the first good opportunity and moving up in the draft is something they will likely try and do. It would depend on whether there is someone at 16 they badly want. I definitely think Mailloux is better off in another market (not CDN) away from the media microscope.
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Very detailed analysis on Wright from earlier in the year.
https://www.mckeenshockey.com/nhl-blog/ohl-2022-nhl-draft-shane-wright-c-kingston-frontenacs/
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Mckeen's final rankings. Wright #1 on this one.
https://www.mckeenshockey.com/nhl-blog/mckeens-hockey-2022-nhl-draft-final-rankings-top-32/
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48 minutes ago, Commandant said:
I disagree entirely.
Wright has the highest ceiling.
A ceiling of a 95-100 point centre with selke level defence (ceiling, not necessarily likely to be reached) is the highest ceiling in the draft.
I don't agree or disagree as I am no scout and scouting is not an exact science anyway as trying to determine how much more development there is in an 18 year old is tough. I just hope the Habs pick the right guy whether that's Wright or someone else.
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Don is right, this should be under the NHL discussion thread or a new thread for those that like to discuss reffing.
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39 minutes ago, DON said:
Likley wont impact the draft, but I could be wrong?
I don't think you are wrong.
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12 minutes ago, Commandant said:
The game is fast and reffing is way harder than the average fan thinks. And it just keeps getting faster
I would agree, way easier when you are fan watching on TV from 10 different angles in super slo motion. Like any Habs fan I get a little ticked off when a bad call goes against us but they tend to even out over a season. The ability to review plays has also made a big difference.
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48 minutes ago, DON said:
"Our sense is they would much rather use that ammunition to move up in the first round and go after a player they really want as opposed to continuing to throw a bunch of darts at the board."
I think that is what we are hoping for.
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35 minutes ago, DON said:
Kaiden?
You were talking about Kaiden and Arber playing tonight in your post so perhaps I made a wrong assumption. Arber is definitely going to play in the NHL. You just watch and see
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15 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:
I respect your opinion on Nurse, but disagree he is worth his contract. $6m-$7m maybe, but there isn’t a single aspect of his game that is elite. His contract suggests he has multiple aspects of his game that is elite.
Capfriendly lists 10 defencemen being paid over $9m a season. Karlsson, Doughty, Werenski, Fox, McAvoy, Jones, Nurse, Josi, Hamilton and Makar. Jones and Nurse are easily the 2 worse on that list and Jones has been regarded as one of the worse contracts in the NHL.
I don't disagree that Nurse seems highly paid when you compare him to a Makar or Fox. The dilemma the Oilers faced is that Nurse would have been approaching free agency. Not a chance they could have signed him to the same term at 6-7M per year and they couldn't afford to lose their #1 defensemen in a bidding war. I would rather have Nurse at 9.2 than Karlsson at 11.5 I would also rather have Nurse than Hamilton at the same price although I know some will disagree. Nurse is tough as hell, a great teammate and better defensively than Hamilton. I will give Hamilton the edge on offense.
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4 minutes ago, DON said:
https://montrealhockeynow.com/2022/06/06/nhl-draft-the-cost-of-moving-up-in-the-nhl-draft/
Need to over pay #s wise to move up, gotta entice a team to drop down with added value.
That's a good article. The Edmonton pick will be 62 as they made the final 4 plus it dropped 1 spot because Minnesota gets an extra 2nd round pick for not signing an earlier 1st round pick.
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2 hours ago, DON said:
Kinda doubt either will amount to too much, but you asked.
Kaiden and Arber not amounting to too much? Your glass is definitely 1/2 empty.
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40 minutes ago, Commandant said:
He had 14 goals and 36 points in 65 games this year. He's already a 2nd line player and not a dime a dozen type.
We are looking at 45 points over 82 games.
Had 15 goals and 25 points in 55 games last year too.
I agree that there is still some untapped potential with Puljujarvi. Showed a good work ethic and attitude this year. I think he could be a consistent 25 goal scorer, maybe higher in a good year.
It will be interesting to see if he gets any RFA offers as I think he is the ideal candidate. Would the Oilers match a 4million a year offer sheet? I would have no problem giving up a second for him as compensation.
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Not there yet. We still have another 3 1/2 weeks to analyze Shane Wright. It might get tiresome.