Habs Fan in Edmonton
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3 hours ago, johnnyhasbeen said:
How do you expect to replace Weber? Also I said 2 years. The retooling has been done. The prospects are in the tank. This team should be a serious team in a year or two. If not, that is when you trade away your assets. Nobody in contention this year has the cap space to take on Price or Weber. This is not ps4. I am fine with the road being travelled. I am become sick of the Montreal fans though and understand why no UFAs want to put up with them. Next time you post you should realise that NHL players have phones too. They read this shit. Would you want to play for the current fan base?
I agree, I am good with the road being travelled right now. I am not sure what fans expect MB to do at this point in time. The last thing I want him to do is to sacrifice the future to get a little better now.
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16 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
He didn't do anything to improve them last year when other teams in our division did. Which is why we ended up missing the playoffs. Then in the off season Did nothing to address hole's. So no to me he didn't do a good job with the on ice product.
He got Domi last year, he got Armia last year. I think those 2 additions definitely improved the team last year.
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31 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
No he should of said this is a full rebuild. Which means Price, Weber and Petry are all available for trade and we will be a lottery pick team for the next 3 years. I will of been totally on board and not care about the on ice product.
But he said this is a reset. Which means The on ice product should still be competitive. Which it isn't and that's why he doesn't get a pass from me on the on ice product. He does get a pass on the drafting and prospect reset, but not the on ice reset.
You don't think they were competitive last year? They were very competitive this year (except for the last 10 days). I could care less whether he calls it a reset, rebuild or retool. I just want MB to make good decisions going forward so they can compete for the cup again.
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13 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
Yeah but when the past keeps repeatting itself you can. That's part of the problem. Nothing has changed with the on ice product in 7 years. That's why people bash him. He doesn't just run the farm system he runs the NHL team as well. Has he improved the future of this team i think he has. We're now top what 5 in the league for prospects. Since he bought into the new NHL he's made better picks. But over that time has he improved the on ice product of the team? No he hasn't we continue to miss the playoffs and be a none factor. That's where all frustration of the fans come from.
Fans can jump on and off the bandwagon pretty quickly. I think most on this board were pretty optimistic after winning 3 of 4 on their western road trip. They looked to be in pretty good shape. Then a bad 10 day stretch completed changed the narrative. Last year they had 96 points!! Most years that would get you in the playoffs. I thought they were a pretty exciting team last year but some here make it sound like they were awful. Much work to do but I honestly believe they are headed in the right direction.
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2 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
There's the flip side too to this which gets me mad and I understand where you coming because there's poster on here that won't admit to the bad things Bergevin does and thinks everything he does turns too gold.
I try to see both the good and bad and will point them both out.
Theres some that just want to bash him and there's some who want to make him a saint.
Yes he has done good over the last 2 years with the future of this team. But does that erase everything bad he has done? no it doesn't. Bottom line it will always be the on ice product of the NHL team and it isn't very good and that's why people will bash Continue to bash him.
For me I try and focus on what he should be doing now. We can't change what he did 3 or 4 or 5 years ago so I am not going to dwell too much on it. I like what he has done the last couple years (except for the Sergachev trade, maybe that will turn out but I am doubtful, Alzner signing was a bust). The reality is that MB is the GM, he seems to have support from Molson to take a long term approach and I hope he makes the right moves to build something sustainable. We can complain about the past but we can't change it.
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On 1/3/2020 at 8:41 AM, Habsfan89 said:
Don’t get me wrong, I give Bergevin full credit on the return he got for Pacioretty and galchenyuk.
But i also understand why those trades were made. He mishandled the team and had to trade Pacioretty because of it to full other hole's.
The galchenyuk trade for Domi, he traded one problem for the exact same problem. Which is why at the time a lot of people didn't understand it at the time. But it ended up working in Bergevin favor because Domi turned his career around.
He has made good move's and bad one's. But i for one am not going to act like he's the best GM in the world.
I don't think anyone on the board is acting like MB is the best GM in the world, based on the success of the team he is not. I just get tired of the continual bashing where some posters constantly berate him for every failure without giving him credit for the good things he has done. I personally think that he has smartened up the last couple years and now we have a good prospect pool and good young players coming up, we didn't have that before. There is hope now, I don't think there was much hope a couple years ago,
or at least I am much more hopeful about their future, can't speak for everyone else.
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47 minutes ago, Trizzak said:
I switched over to Team Tank after last night's loss, so this signing does nothing for me except that the thought of Poehling and Kotkaniemi playing with Kovalchuk instead of Weal will help make watching Habs games enjoyable til the trade deadline (where Kovalchuk is hopefully shipped to a contender for a conditional 3rd.)
I hate to be this way but I think Team Tank is the way to go now. Consider me a member. A horrible 10 days losing to all the teams you need to catch. No way they catch Tampa or the Leafs and there are just too many teams to crawl over for a wild card spot. This team isn't good enough or healthy enough to get that hot. Maybe I will look back at this post a couple months from now and be embarrassed that I gave up but I doubt it.
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14 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Suzuki looks more ready than Kk, but ask yourself this, if we were a better team, would he have started in Montreal? Yes he dominated in CHL last year, but I’m not convinced that putting up bigger numbers as a CENTRE in the AHL would be better for him in the long run, than flip flopping in the NHL. Ditto with Poehling. I’d rather have them competing for something in the AHL - which would also improve our lottery position, than having a “promising” to “decent” rookie year in the NHL. Although at this point Suzuki has earned to stay up, unless he starts stagnating. I think Fleury, Poehling and KK should be in Laval. We are supposed to have hired a guy that is good at developing, so let’s see what he can do, with high end prospects.
If we were a better team he would not have started in Montreal. I agree that a year in the AHL is a good thing. Fleury spent a year there and it obviously helped him a lot.
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31 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Yahoo, we can get another Galchenyuk 😎
No no no. We need a left hand shooting defenceman. 😋
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10 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Thing with development is that for most players once you’ve blown it, there are a lot fewer players that turn it around with a move unless it’s earlier in their career.
montreal has a horrible job of rushing players in at 18-19, you see a quick flash and than a flame out. I’d rather have them get top line minutes in Laval than limited minutes and punished for each mistake in the NHL. I remember when Pacioretty told the habs he’d rather be in the minors than play grunt minutes and going to the minors was the best thing for him.Galchenyuk is in his what 6th, 7th year now? Change of scenery may have helped if he was traded earlier. It was stupid wanting him to be a centre and playing the wing.first year, sure. 3 or 4 years was stupid. It would have been better having him on the first or second line in the minors IF bergevin hadn’t hired his useless idiotic childhood friend Lefebve.
Agree that rushing players is not a good thing. The Oilers were absolutely horrible at this but now they have a GM who won't make that mistake. I wasn't convinced that keeping KK for the year was the right move. Time will tell. Suzuki looks ready but he played a lot of minutes in his last year of junior. He is a mature guy. A year in the AHL never hurt anybody.
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51 minutes ago, Chris said:
Good game,
everyone got a sweat and a workout,
Know one was hurt
closer to a top 5 pick
Hard to disagree with this post. The season sure went south in a hurry, after the win in Winnipeg I had hope but now my hope is to get lucky and snag one of the top 2 picks. Just can't see them getting back in the race especially with all the injuries. Time for another beer.
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3 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
Ok so he knew what he was doing by getting the Golden Knights to throw in Tatar 👌 In which he said he never really wanted.
Oh yeah great job on the development of galchenyuk 👍 which is why he traded him.
the credit i will give him is for the Armia trade and Danault trade. Those are the type of trades I want to see more of and less of the 4th liners.
Player development is also part the player's responsibility. Galchenyuk didn't develop in Arizona and he is wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh. You have to give MB credit for the Domi trade if you are going to knock him in other areas. Only fair. We are having some good discussion tonight. Love it!!
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11 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
He’s built a consistently competitive team and that’s all you can ask in today’s NHL. It’s moronic to judge a GM solely on cup wins. Their knob is field a team that has a realistic chance and Wilson has done that for a long long time. He regularly brings in elite star players, has done a great knob of drafting and developing. I’ll take him as a GM over a guy like Lombardi who did win the cup.
the TBL are a perfect example of how there is. No guarantee even with a well constructed team. The key is good GM’s are able to get and develop ELITE players, fill their holes and improve their teams and have teams that are consistently playoff teams. The Bergevins rotate parts without really improving their team and will the dice.
I agree that Doug Wilson has done a really good job over his tenure in San Jose and they have been consistently competitive. Sometimes winning the cup is a little bit luck (hot goalie, no injuries, etc). I also think Don Sweeney has done a great job in Boston.
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2 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Wilson. In picking up Thornton and Burns being the most obvious examples.
Those are good examples for sure. Of course one could also argue that San Jose has never won a cup and might miss the playoffs this year but Wilson kept them competitive for a good stretch of time.
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8 minutes ago, Trizzak said:
Have you tried wishing really really hard?
Oh I have tried that. Hasn't worked so far.
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1 minute ago, Habsfan89 said:
No you didn't read right I missed mentioning Armia but those along with the Danault type of trades are what I am talking about we don't see much of that from Bergevin.
Well perhaps you can find examples of other GM's who are constantly getting top end players without giving up much.
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4 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
No I am saying he should add top end players to the mix of this team without trading our key players which he hasn't done other than yes sorry forgot about Armia and I had said danault.
Lets not forget why he traded Pacioretty in the first place or galchenyuk in the first place or even Subban. All those moves were because he backed himself into a corner.
It would be nice to add top end players without trading key players. I think that's the dream of every GM. Not sure how that would work in the real world. Other GM's aren't in the business of giving good players away unless they are desperate (ie. cap crunch which is how they got Armia).
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5 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
Armia?But getting talent for nothing? Or are you saying he should have traded picks and prospects for older players?
Armia was an excellent trade. I am not sure what he is saying. Maybe Habsfan89 will clarify.
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12 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
Trading draft picks and prospects to add top talent to improve your team.
If you look at the trades he got lucky with Them. they could of been bad , Domi was a question mark, he didn't even want Tatar and the way Sergachev has died down the Drouin trade could of been bad also.
Now you are complaining that he got lucky? I am ok with MB getting lucky. I hope he has more luck. You are always taking a chance when you make a trade. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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14 minutes ago, sbhatt said:
Not saying they were all lower end trades, but his volume has its fair share of those in it. The problem was the lack of the trades this team most deserpately needed to be a solid playoff qualifier. Example: not picking up a top pair caliber LD...it has been a problem for several seasons, so it can't be chalked up to waiting on Romanov next season. Before that, we couldn't get the upgrade at center we desperately needed for several seasons running.
I agree they need another defenceman. I was simply responding to your earlier post which in my opinion was incorrect. Cheers
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2 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
Your not listening his not adding top talent to this team his trading talent for talent.
Got Weber for Subban that's not adding
Got Suzuki and Tatar by trading Pacioretty that's not adding
He got Domi by trading galchenyuk not adding
Only top players he added to this team without taking away from it was Drouin and Danault.
Would you rather have Galchenyuk than Domi? Subban than Weber? Pacioretty instead of Suzuki and Tatar? The only trade I would take back is the Drouin trade. Do you think you can add top end talent in a trade for nothing? Seriously?
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2 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Weber
Domi
Tatar/suzuki
Drouin
Ryder
Vanek
Danault
Who else is making this many trades for top 6/top 4s?
I forgot about Danault and Drouin. The Danault trade was outstanding!!
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2 minutes ago, sbhatt said:
The caliber of his trades is a valid point. There is a lot of 3rd line/4th line/bottom pair type activity in is body of work.
I disagree totally as per my last post.
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1 minute ago, Habsfan89 said:
His trades are for mostly 4th line players. Other gm's make less trade's but for better talented players / top line players.
Really, 4th line players. What about Shea Weber, Max Domi, Tatar, Suzuki. Those are pretty good players
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What mistakes. He got Armia for virtually nothing because he had cap room. You could say drafting Galchenyuk was a mistake at three but it was a crappy draft year, does anyone remember who was drafted one and two? I think it was just time for a change for Max Pac and he got a great return.