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10 hours ago, BCHabnut said:
Lehkonen is too good to trade imo. His point production is such a small part of his game. His contracts will never be huge because of he doesnt put up numbers but his play away from the puck is almost perfect. His trade value would likely not match his value to the team as a 3rd liner.
Excellent post, you captured my thoughts about Lehkonen perfectly. His value would be more understood on a contending team. Pretty much a perfect 3rd line player.
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16 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
You can move both and improve the return by taking bad contracts in return.
I think that taking on a bad contract (hopefully not a long term one) would likely have to happen if they were trading Price or Weber, more likely for Price.
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17 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
It all depends on the return. I do think both players could have massive value to a contender, where the fit is right. I wouldn't trade both of them, but I would definitely be open to trading one. Frankly, I think it's much easier to get a good G than a top-pairing blueliner, and that's why I've written positively on this site about moving #31 if the opportunity arises.
No question that it depends a lot on the return. Agree on that.
14 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:See and I dont believe Price has the trade value everyone believes he does. Its not 2015!!! Although his last 3 games have been very very promising, his body of work over 3 seasons has not been good at all. Sure hes had some bright spots like Jan - March last year. But those bright spots have been few and far between. All that said, his salary alone is such a detriment to his trade value. What team can pay their goalie today 10.5 million? Nobody!
Weber on the other hand at 7+ Million is actually of value. I think he could fetch multiple picks and a prospect....
just my 2 cents.
Agree that Price's contract is a big impediment. I think so much of goaltending is confidence and Price's confidence has taken a hit playing behind a mediocre defence. I think in the right situation Price could do what Patrick Roy did in Colorado when he went there.
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19 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I agree that MB has done much better in the past two years (although I'm still annoyed at his failure to upgrade the team last summer).
But I think you're gesturing toward a fundamental problem with the entire 'reset' model, which is that Weber and Price are getting old. They will have aged out, or be aging out, by the time the kids hit their primes, and they are the top talents in the entire system. If we do the thought exercise of adding an impactful Romanov and Suzuki while subtracting Weber and Price - and I know this is a highly simplified heuristic device - it clarifies this problem. Such a team would be no better. It might be worse.
So I'm not saying the reset for sure won't succeed, but when the best talents in your reset are in their mid-30s, that should give pause. Ce n'est pas evident.
For me the big question is what to do with Price and Weber. Do you trade them for some young talent/draft picks or do you keep them around to help mentor the young players? I see the benefits of both. There is no doubt in my mind that Price could be a difference maker for the right team who is chasing the cup. He still has 5-6 good years in him as there are many cases of goalies playing at a high level into their late 30's. Weber maybe 2-3 years but his leadership is invaluable especially as a mentor to the young defenceman coming up. What to do.
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4 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:
Well the past keeps repeating itself here in Montreal and if we don't change our way of thinking then in 4 years time we will still be a bubble team and going through another reset.
OK, what should they do?
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46 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
Why because I don't like losing every year? Because I want people to talk about the habs as a top team? Because I want the habs to be mentioned as cup contenders every year? Because I won't settle for a bubble team full of excuses every year. Which point doesn't make me a fanatic 🤔
I guess around here in your eyes as long as you agree with everything management does that makes you a fanatic fan ????????
I agree with a chunk of what you said. I want the Habs to be cup contenders every year, absolutely. I just try and focus on what the Habs should do right now to help get us there rather than going back and complaining about past mistakes. I don't agree with everything management does, just think that MB has done much better the last couple years.
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18 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
It’s unlikely that the return for Kovalchuk would be as valuable as he could potentially be. Other teams will know that we got him for nothing and won’t offer anything special regardless of his recent play.
The opposing argument is that getting a 3rd rounder for Kovalchuk would be great because we got him for free.
My argument is getting Kovalchuk for free is more valuable than getting a 3rd round draft pick for free. There are other ways to obtain a 3rd rounder.
Other teams know we got him for nothing but if he keeps playing like this and the Habs are out of the playoffs come the trading deadline then there may be a little bidding war driving up the price. A hot Kovy could be a very valuable addition for the right team. It all depends on whether they have a realistic chance at the playoffs come the deadline. I am just really happy to see him playing well given the money he gave up just so he could keep playing. A true sportsman.
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39 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:
I dont wanna see kk do that anymore, but holy crap he was tossing haymakers. Even had the sweater grab jab going.
Love it, glad to see KK stick up for his teammate. Hopefully Poehling is OK? Did he play after? i didn't see the game.
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5 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:
The team has been ran the past 10 years the same way he ran it after 93'. The on ice product has been bad the last 10 years. We haven't had a winning team now in the last 4 years , yet Nothing has changed. So if wining brings in more playoff games and more money.....then how come no changes have been made the last 4 years to change it? That tells me Molson doesn't really care about the hockey team as much as he does his Molson 🍺 sales.
How do you define a winning team? Last year they had 44 wins and 30 losses, you make it sound like they were horrible.
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5 hours ago, Commandant said:
Winning brings in more playoff games and more money... so this is always a stupid argument in a salary cap league.
Agreed, how much extra cash and beer sales does Molson's get when the Habs go a couple rounds in the playoffs. A ridiculous argument in my opinion. You can criticize the moves they have made but to think Molson makes more money when the Habs don't makes the playoffs (because of some extra cap room) is just silly.
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4 hours ago, BCHabnut said:
It's not a matter of being happy with failure. Its objective analysis of recent past. I wanted MB fired. I think I started a fire mb thread early in his tenure. In the last 2 years, he has improved greatly, and I feel that if he continues, they will be strong for years to come.
I agree with this post. MB has improved greatly over the past 2 years, obviously Molson gave him a mandate to build through the draft so MB didn't didn't feel the pressure to sacrifice the future to get a little better now. Although it might not feel like it today, I think the Habs are much better positioned for the future.
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14 hours ago, JoeLassister said:
Yeah. Hopefully he will be able to lock Alex Chiasson, Juhar Khaira, Josh Archibald and Kris Russel with NTC or NMC contracts like he did in Detroit.
Ken Holland is OVERRATED AF. Change my mind.
You are right, Holland is really over rated. It is so obvious . So glad he wasn't the Habs GM.
"Under his leadership as GM the Red Wings won the Central Division ten times, the regular-season Conference title five times, the Presidents' Trophy four times, and the Stanley Cup three times, and won more regular-season games (789) and postseason games (118) than any other NHL team."]
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7 hours ago, BCHabnut said:
Agree. Him and Babcock both. Both are competent, quality gm coaches, but this air of superiority that the media has sold us is wrong imo. You had the best defenseman on earth since orr, and datsyuk and zetterberg fall into your lap. Pretty easy to work with that.
Holland is a competent GM, never claimed he was god. If Detroit had drafted terribly you would probably blame the GM but since they drafted well then I guess the GM got lucky. You also have to develop these players properly, I guess Holland got lucky with that too.
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On 1/11/2020 at 10:05 AM, DON said:
Hey, looks like we could bring back Galchenyuk for not much and try again.
True enough, I am guessing we could get him back for a whole lot less than Domi.
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On 1/11/2020 at 11:48 AM, JoeLassister said:
Sure, 2 years later we can say that. But still, Bergevin traded 1:1 and got the best of this trade while he (maybe) could have paid more to get more than Domi back in the days.
Now, I don't have anything against Domi, I like him a lot and want him to stick around part of the next Habs generation for sure.
Of course we can say that 2 years later. That's how it works, you make a trade and it takes time to determine whether it was a good one or not. I know MB was criticized heavily at the time for this trade but he took a chance and it worked out.
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1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
Happy for Kovalchuk. Lock him up. 🔐🔴🔵
If the Habs could sign him for the right price then sure. The thing I like about Kovalchuk is that he is obviously not doing it for the money as he walked away from good money in LA. He just wants to play. I am cheering for him.
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4 minutes ago, Commandant said:
4 points in 4 games is way more than i expected. Hes playing motivated.
Happy for Kovalchuk, plus his trade value is going up.
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1 hour ago, Toronthab said:
Why is he in Holland?
He loves tulips and canals.
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3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I have a very strong suspicion that he did rush back.
Terribly unwise. But also terribly predictable.
Looking back, easy to say it was unwise, not sure how predictable it was. Medical science is far from perfect especially when dealing with head injuries. I trust the medical staff thought he was good to go and they know way more than any of us. I just hope he fully recovers and if that means staying out for a prolonged period of time then so be it.
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39 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
And you don’t that MB has done the same with Galchenyuk, De la rose, Julsson mete, Kk, Poehling, fleury, and id even argue Suzuki (who could have benefited with some top line minutes in the AHL first).
I’d rather the habs try and ice a strong AHL team and give the young guys top minutes there and develop a winning attitude there and have a championship minor league team for now, rather than ice at best bubble teams at both levels that are regularly missing the playoffs. That how you develop a losing culture.
i liked what the leafs did during the Matthews draft when they iced pretty much an AHL team with NHL/AHL journeymen in the NHL and kept a lot of the better prospects in the AHL. They than screwed thing up by letting go of Lou and promoting Dubas who proceeded to offer high contracts without even buying enough UFA years.
I don't disagree, I have said before that a year in the AHL is a good thing. Absolutely the Habs have rushed some guys. I don't think KK should have stayed up last year, Fleury did a spend a year in the AHL, Mete was too soon, dela rose did spend time in the AHL, in a perfect world most young players spend a little time maturing and learning in the AHL.
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I said a week ago or so that I joined tank nation, here is what I mean by tanking:
1) I still want them to play hard and win games, I don't want them to develop a losing mindset because that can be a hard habit to break (see Edmonton Oilers the last 13 years, still trying to
recover).
2) I am a realist, the Habs are too far behind and have too many teams to climb over and are too hurt to have any real chance of making the playoffs so I expect/want MB to make strategic
moves come the trade deadline, not necessarily a fire sale but look for opportunities to add draft picks and good young players where he can
3) He still needs some good veterans to mentor the young players, this is really important so keeping Gallagher/Weber is really important in my opinion.
4) I know I use the Oilers a lot as an example but they are a great example of what not to do, messed up so many draft picks by rushing them, not enough good veteran leadership etc etc.
Management in Edmonton has been horrible. Finally they got the right guy in Holland.
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1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Not just you. I wouldn't be able to pull the trigger on that deal fast enough
As much as I would miss Carey Price, I would make that trade as well, especially if Carey is unhappy and miserable, they are not getting their money's worth at the goalie position and it's certainly not all Carey's fault. So much of goaltending is confidence and it's hard to build confidence behind Montreal's defence right now.. Adding Carey to Colorado would make them a real tough team, maybe the Stanley Cup favourite.
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7 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
He burned year one last year in the playoffs. This is year two. He has one left and then he's up in 2021 which is the same time Landeskog and Grubauer are up for UFA status.
You are correct, I forgot he played in the playoffs last year. The Avs are fortunate to have pretty much the best contact in hockey (from a team point of view) in MacKinnon.
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8 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I generally don't put much stock in radio hosts when it comes to the credibility of trade rumours, especially if they're citing out of market stuff. (For those that don't know, I also write for a rumour site and this is the type of thing I keep track of and it rarely comes to fruition.) It's inductive reasoning (the Habs are struggling, Price is their top player, therefore it's likely that he's not happy, especially after his comment last summer) but that's not really a rumour when it's broken down. (A Colorado radio host almost certainly isn't going to know what's going on behind the scenes in Montreal.) Thanks for passing the info along though.
Having said that, Colorado would make some sense as a destination but remember that they have Landeskog and Makar up soon and will need a lot of cap room to extend those two. They have some room now but they won't for too long.
Makar is just a rookie, they must have at least 2 more years of an entry level deal and then he's only an RFA.
GAME#50 Habs vs Knights 7:00 Jan 18 2020
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Fair point, he creates more chances than most because of his speed and work ethic. If he had more of a scoring touch he would easily score 30 goals a year and his paycheque would be much higher. Like any player, do you get good value for the money you pay? Given everything Lehkonen does I think the answer is yes.