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1 minute ago, Chris said:
Need to be sellers,
Yup, now if Kovalchuk goes on a tear he might be pretty valuable to a playoff team.
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2 minutes ago, zumpano21 said:
Just when you think it can’t get any worse.
Please I hope management doesn’t do anything rash
I don't think they will do anything rash. Realistically any hopes of a playoff spot are pretty much gone. They would have to go at least 15 games above 500 the rest of the year to have a chance. Not going to happen.
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I am starting to get the feeling that maybe this isn't their year.
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Just now, tomh009 said:
Lehkonen! He had sooooo much time on that breakaway ...
Is Lehkonen developing a scoring touch. Am I dreaming?? Please don't wake me up!!
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14 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
These are the type of trades I argue shouldn't give Bergevin the label of busiest gm.
I don't think anyone here is trying to give MB the label as busiest gm. It's always about quality of trades not quantity.
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34 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:
Would need to be a top 5 pick a mid 1st round, a top prospect, and an elite young player with an amazing contract. If at all.
That's a lot to give up. I would only give up that much if I was convinced that the #1 pick would turn out to be a McDavid or Mackinnon. Lafreniere is good no doubt, had a great tourney. Will he be a game changer in the NHL or just an excellent top tier player. Time will tell.
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Romanov makes the 1st all star team at the world juniors for the second year in a row. That's pretty impressive!
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42 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
I definitely remember that the 1st overall was Nail Yakupov, and he turned out great 🙂
Living in Edmonton, there are bad memories of that draft. If you look at that draft (2012), there are so many that didn't make it. Not only did Edmonton take Yakupov #1 (complete bust or you could make the case for bad development), they ended up trading a #1 pick (turned out to be Barzal) and a #2 pick to the Islanders for the #4 pick in 2012 (Griffin Reinhart), another complete bust. Chiarelli made some bonehead moves but that one really turned out bad.
Kovalchuk was pretty much a zero risk move, he seems really determined to do well, I was impressed with his interview. I hope he proves everyone wrong. I agree with much of your post.
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1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
We were expected to be a bubble team, not a lottery squad, which is what we're shaping up to be. Of course, injuries play a key role in that outcome, but if you're an old sour-puss like me, you also remember that MB did very little to improve the team over the summer, even though the team was a failure last season. When I kept pointing this out, people told me, 'don't be so impatient, there's lots of time to improve the team before the deadline.' Turns out there wasn't lots of time at all, was there?
In terms of a more general attitude problem, if I'm being honest, I still blame Bergevin for failing to take the excellent hand he inherited in 2012 and turning it into a legit contender. Instead, he let its two top-6 C age out and we were left with a bottom-dwelling suction eel. We never got to see Gainey-Gauthier Rebuild 3.0 come to full fruition, because Bergevin was not able to find even a decent 2nd-line C. Instead of serious playoff runs after 2015, therefore, we got four out of five years with playoffs missed.
If this is your interpretation of the past decade, then it's hard to get up and wave the pom-poms for Bergevin - although for my part, I believe the record shows that I *have* credited him with good moves when warranted.
Indeed, I will admit that most of Bergevin's moves have been good once he got the stupid Drouin trade out of his system. Some of them have been superb (e.g., Domi). But he still did not improve the team from last year and so some of the blame for this season's emerging disaster rests on him. Beyond that, while I certainly agree we shouldn't eviscerate the system for immediate help, I'm also not as convinced that our future is as guaranteed super-shiny as the rhetoric suggests. Maybe it is, maybe it's not. So again, hard to be incredibly chipper if that's your take on things.
Just my attempt to explain why some of us might be less than upbeat re: the Montreal Canadiens.
I think that's a very fair post. I think the only difference between your outlook and mine is that I am trying to focus on what MB should do going forward? Who is available to help the team and what is the cost? You spend a little more time looking back. As much as I admire Gainey the hockey player and person, his trade of McDonagh and Higgins for Gomez was a head scratcher.
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7 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
No I said they were good trades and good returns. But the reason behind those trades were because of mistakes made by Bergevin.
What mistakes. He got Armia for virtually nothing because he had cap room. You could say drafting Galchenyuk was a mistake at three but it was a crappy draft year, does anyone remember who was drafted one and two? I think it was just time for a change for Max Pac and he got a great return.
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3 hours ago, johnnyhasbeen said:
How do you expect to replace Weber? Also I said 2 years. The retooling has been done. The prospects are in the tank. This team should be a serious team in a year or two. If not, that is when you trade away your assets. Nobody in contention this year has the cap space to take on Price or Weber. This is not ps4. I am fine with the road being travelled. I am become sick of the Montreal fans though and understand why no UFAs want to put up with them. Next time you post you should realise that NHL players have phones too. They read this shit. Would you want to play for the current fan base?
I agree, I am good with the road being travelled right now. I am not sure what fans expect MB to do at this point in time. The last thing I want him to do is to sacrifice the future to get a little better now.
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16 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
He didn't do anything to improve them last year when other teams in our division did. Which is why we ended up missing the playoffs. Then in the off season Did nothing to address hole's. So no to me he didn't do a good job with the on ice product.
He got Domi last year, he got Armia last year. I think those 2 additions definitely improved the team last year.
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31 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
No he should of said this is a full rebuild. Which means Price, Weber and Petry are all available for trade and we will be a lottery pick team for the next 3 years. I will of been totally on board and not care about the on ice product.
But he said this is a reset. Which means The on ice product should still be competitive. Which it isn't and that's why he doesn't get a pass from me on the on ice product. He does get a pass on the drafting and prospect reset, but not the on ice reset.
You don't think they were competitive last year? They were very competitive this year (except for the last 10 days). I could care less whether he calls it a reset, rebuild or retool. I just want MB to make good decisions going forward so they can compete for the cup again.
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13 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
Yeah but when the past keeps repeatting itself you can. That's part of the problem. Nothing has changed with the on ice product in 7 years. That's why people bash him. He doesn't just run the farm system he runs the NHL team as well. Has he improved the future of this team i think he has. We're now top what 5 in the league for prospects. Since he bought into the new NHL he's made better picks. But over that time has he improved the on ice product of the team? No he hasn't we continue to miss the playoffs and be a none factor. That's where all frustration of the fans come from.
Fans can jump on and off the bandwagon pretty quickly. I think most on this board were pretty optimistic after winning 3 of 4 on their western road trip. They looked to be in pretty good shape. Then a bad 10 day stretch completed changed the narrative. Last year they had 96 points!! Most years that would get you in the playoffs. I thought they were a pretty exciting team last year but some here make it sound like they were awful. Much work to do but I honestly believe they are headed in the right direction.
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2 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
There's the flip side too to this which gets me mad and I understand where you coming because there's poster on here that won't admit to the bad things Bergevin does and thinks everything he does turns too gold.
I try to see both the good and bad and will point them both out.
Theres some that just want to bash him and there's some who want to make him a saint.
Yes he has done good over the last 2 years with the future of this team. But does that erase everything bad he has done? no it doesn't. Bottom line it will always be the on ice product of the NHL team and it isn't very good and that's why people will bash Continue to bash him.
For me I try and focus on what he should be doing now. We can't change what he did 3 or 4 or 5 years ago so I am not going to dwell too much on it. I like what he has done the last couple years (except for the Sergachev trade, maybe that will turn out but I am doubtful, Alzner signing was a bust). The reality is that MB is the GM, he seems to have support from Molson to take a long term approach and I hope he makes the right moves to build something sustainable. We can complain about the past but we can't change it.
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On 1/3/2020 at 8:41 AM, Habsfan89 said:
Don’t get me wrong, I give Bergevin full credit on the return he got for Pacioretty and galchenyuk.
But i also understand why those trades were made. He mishandled the team and had to trade Pacioretty because of it to full other hole's.
The galchenyuk trade for Domi, he traded one problem for the exact same problem. Which is why at the time a lot of people didn't understand it at the time. But it ended up working in Bergevin favor because Domi turned his career around.
He has made good move's and bad one's. But i for one am not going to act like he's the best GM in the world.
I don't think anyone on the board is acting like MB is the best GM in the world, based on the success of the team he is not. I just get tired of the continual bashing where some posters constantly berate him for every failure without giving him credit for the good things he has done. I personally think that he has smartened up the last couple years and now we have a good prospect pool and good young players coming up, we didn't have that before. There is hope now, I don't think there was much hope a couple years ago,
or at least I am much more hopeful about their future, can't speak for everyone else.
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47 minutes ago, Trizzak said:
I switched over to Team Tank after last night's loss, so this signing does nothing for me except that the thought of Poehling and Kotkaniemi playing with Kovalchuk instead of Weal will help make watching Habs games enjoyable til the trade deadline (where Kovalchuk is hopefully shipped to a contender for a conditional 3rd.)
I hate to be this way but I think Team Tank is the way to go now. Consider me a member. A horrible 10 days losing to all the teams you need to catch. No way they catch Tampa or the Leafs and there are just too many teams to crawl over for a wild card spot. This team isn't good enough or healthy enough to get that hot. Maybe I will look back at this post a couple months from now and be embarrassed that I gave up but I doubt it.
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14 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Suzuki looks more ready than Kk, but ask yourself this, if we were a better team, would he have started in Montreal? Yes he dominated in CHL last year, but I’m not convinced that putting up bigger numbers as a CENTRE in the AHL would be better for him in the long run, than flip flopping in the NHL. Ditto with Poehling. I’d rather have them competing for something in the AHL - which would also improve our lottery position, than having a “promising” to “decent” rookie year in the NHL. Although at this point Suzuki has earned to stay up, unless he starts stagnating. I think Fleury, Poehling and KK should be in Laval. We are supposed to have hired a guy that is good at developing, so let’s see what he can do, with high end prospects.
If we were a better team he would not have started in Montreal. I agree that a year in the AHL is a good thing. Fleury spent a year there and it obviously helped him a lot.
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31 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Yahoo, we can get another Galchenyuk 😎
No no no. We need a left hand shooting defenceman. 😋
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10 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Thing with development is that for most players once you’ve blown it, there are a lot fewer players that turn it around with a move unless it’s earlier in their career.
montreal has a horrible job of rushing players in at 18-19, you see a quick flash and than a flame out. I’d rather have them get top line minutes in Laval than limited minutes and punished for each mistake in the NHL. I remember when Pacioretty told the habs he’d rather be in the minors than play grunt minutes and going to the minors was the best thing for him.Galchenyuk is in his what 6th, 7th year now? Change of scenery may have helped if he was traded earlier. It was stupid wanting him to be a centre and playing the wing.first year, sure. 3 or 4 years was stupid. It would have been better having him on the first or second line in the minors IF bergevin hadn’t hired his useless idiotic childhood friend Lefebve.
Agree that rushing players is not a good thing. The Oilers were absolutely horrible at this but now they have a GM who won't make that mistake. I wasn't convinced that keeping KK for the year was the right move. Time will tell. Suzuki looks ready but he played a lot of minutes in his last year of junior. He is a mature guy. A year in the AHL never hurt anybody.
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51 minutes ago, Chris said:
Good game,
everyone got a sweat and a workout,
Know one was hurt
closer to a top 5 pick
Hard to disagree with this post. The season sure went south in a hurry, after the win in Winnipeg I had hope but now my hope is to get lucky and snag one of the top 2 picks. Just can't see them getting back in the race especially with all the injuries. Time for another beer.
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3 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:
Ok so he knew what he was doing by getting the Golden Knights to throw in Tatar 👌 In which he said he never really wanted.
Oh yeah great job on the development of galchenyuk 👍 which is why he traded him.
the credit i will give him is for the Armia trade and Danault trade. Those are the type of trades I want to see more of and less of the 4th liners.
Player development is also part the player's responsibility. Galchenyuk didn't develop in Arizona and he is wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh. You have to give MB credit for the Domi trade if you are going to knock him in other areas. Only fair. We are having some good discussion tonight. Love it!!
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11 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
He’s built a consistently competitive team and that’s all you can ask in today’s NHL. It’s moronic to judge a GM solely on cup wins. Their knob is field a team that has a realistic chance and Wilson has done that for a long long time. He regularly brings in elite star players, has done a great knob of drafting and developing. I’ll take him as a GM over a guy like Lombardi who did win the cup.
the TBL are a perfect example of how there is. No guarantee even with a well constructed team. The key is good GM’s are able to get and develop ELITE players, fill their holes and improve their teams and have teams that are consistently playoff teams. The Bergevins rotate parts without really improving their team and will the dice.
I agree that Doug Wilson has done a really good job over his tenure in San Jose and they have been consistently competitive. Sometimes winning the cup is a little bit luck (hot goalie, no injuries, etc). I also think Don Sweeney has done a great job in Boston.
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2 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Wilson. In picking up Thornton and Burns being the most obvious examples.
Those are good examples for sure. Of course one could also argue that San Jose has never won a cup and might miss the playoffs this year but Wilson kept them competitive for a good stretch of time.
Battle of the Titans 7:30 Jan7 2020
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Good question. He has been pretty frustrated this season.