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8 hours ago, Neech said:
Drouin has been such a flake and wasn't even a part of our finals run, so I don't see the Quebecois fanbase being too sad to see him go.
Carey's been taking the ice lately. It'd be great to see him play a game or two before the season's up.
Perhaps, but that opinion could change if he has a bounce back year next season.
It definitely would be nice to see Carey get in a couple games this year and play well.
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8 hours ago, DON said:
Why? They likely arnt in the big-game UFA market for next season and hopefully deal Petry's contract for younger cheaper prospect or yound-d.
And maybe trade Hoffman and/or Armia, even if got to eat some $$ perhaps.
I tend to agree. I really don't think next year is critical as I don't think the Habs are in the market for a big name free agent. However the year after might be a little different as I am guessing Caulfield will get a big raise but the contracts of Byron and Drouin come off the books but that means Drouin will likely have a career year so there will be pressure to resign the French kid.
Hopefully Hugo can work some magic on the bad contracts they have before then.
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54 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
CapFriendly currently shows 20 players on the current NHL roster (including Weber, Price and Drouin) with contracts totalling $82,419,642 for 22/23, leaving $80,358 in cap space ... that does not take into account new contracts for Rem Pitlick or Romanov ... or Dauphin, Pezzetta, Wideman, Schueneman ... or ... Tyler Pitlick Perreault, Paquette, Montembeault, Clague, Lagesson ... as well as various AHLers who likely get bury-able two-way deal ***if*** re-signed.
HuGo need to consult Penn&Teller, Chris Angel, David Copperfield, David Blaine and any other "magician" you can think of ... salary cap magic is needed this summer ... even moving Weber likely leaves the Habs near (on-brink-of?) LTIR once Romanov and Rem are re-signed ... not where a rebuilding team needs to be.
No question there is work to do, the hard decisions will be made this summer with Petry, Gallagher, Price etc and hopefully moving the Weber contract. It won't be easy. A lot of the players you mentioned, Perreault, Paquette, Wideman, Clague, Lagesson, Tyler Pittlick won't be resigned.
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23 minutes ago, DON said:
Well i think in trades they took on $$ or retained salary, didnt they? But added picks and prospects for the cost. So not all bad.
Good point. They did take on retained salary which will vanish at the end of the year.
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5 hours ago, DON said:
Now, could use the Flames and Vegas having bad evenings.
Go Kracken-Coyotes go!
We are not getting much luck in the other games, at least Jersey won as that's a team I can see the Habs catching. Only 10 games left.
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I shouldn't read the Leafs chat rooms before the Habs-Leaf games, I get too wound up. You would think most Leaf fans would have a little humility since they haven't won anything in a bzillion years but no! I don't care who wins the cup as long as it's not 1 certain team. You know who that team is.
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The Devils win!! What a nice and unexpected surprise!
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32 minutes ago, Commandant said:
The team said they needed to send Brook to the ECHL as he has spent so much time on the sidelines he needs a mini training camp.
I still think Brook has the tools but needs to stay healthy, get a lot of ice time and gain some confidence. After his last year in junior I thought he was a sure fire NHL'er but not everyone develops at the same pace and he has had some bad luck. Too early to give up on him.
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Joshua Roy hit the 100pt mark tonight with 1G 1A, Kidney 1 Assist, Jan Mysak 1G and Arber no points, just a minor penalty but it was a good one.
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4 hours ago, DON said:
Surely the stupid Leafs can win this one...ooops did i say that out loud.
Again, just hope the kids shine, all play 20+minutes and fill the net.
I have a similar sentiment even though I enjoy beating the Leafs more than any other team. An 8-7 loss in regulation with the kids lighting it up would be fine with me.
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8 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
I am trying to keep an open mind and trying to form an opinion from what they say instead from what is guessed by others.
I do not know if trading Toffoli but keeping Allen signals a 3 year window. I do not know if playing Typer Pitlick and sitting Ylonen is in-line with what you write.
I am still waiting for a plan, like in an Annual General Meeting of a company, where the CEO presents his plan to the shareholders. The "big picture"
I am just guessing the "big picture" is to build a Stanley Cup Contender. Obviously they have a youth movement going on. It's pretty hard to trade every veteran especially when they have been hurt like Allen and you need some mentors for the young guys. If you are waiting for a detailed plan then you might be waiting a long time. A lot will depend on what is available on the trade front, how the young guys develop etc. HuGo aren't going to give away all their secrets.
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3 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:
Gorton has said that what he is doing is NOT roster improvement or roster changes.
And Hugh-Gort have said that they want to transform the culture, the team, the mindsetBut they have not given anymore detail beyond what you quoted: “Play fast, Be smart, Be part of talented group”
I am not sure what detail you expect them to give? Do you want a timeframe? A lot of the heavy lifting (moving the contracts discussed earlier) will be attempted during the summer as teams had little appetite to take on any of the Habs big contracts at the trade deadline when cap space was limited. Some cards are better kept close to the vest.
I think it was pretty obvious from the Toffoli trade that they are targeting a time frame of at least 3 years down the road and their other moves so far have been consistent with this. I think they have done a great job so far. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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6 minutes ago, Neech said:
Nice win by Seattle. Maybe we should have stuck with Ducharme for just a week more...
Or maybe brought him back for the last month on a farewell tour.
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8 minutes ago, Neech said:
We seem determined to climb out of the basement.
At least Philly and Ottawa are winning so it may not be a complete disaster tonight. Maybe Seattle and Arizona will surprise.
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9 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:
A whole lot of things need to fall into place to trade Price. I'm very skeptical that it can happen. Ntc. Injuries. Age. Contract.
I agree, a lot of things would have to fall into place. He would have to be healthy, he would have to regain his form, other teams would have to be convinced that he can stay healthy, Habs would have to eat a chunk of his contract. I don't think he is going anywhere.
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1 minute ago, tomh009 said:
They've only scored three goals, and they already have seven shots on goal. I wouldn't get my hopes up! 🤪
Yeah, sure looks like a Habs win tonight. Nice to see the kids score though. If they are going to win then win big with the kids lighting it up.
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This is a huge 4 point game. Hughes is out for the year and the Devils have been giving up a ton of goals lately so I am thinking a 4-2 Habs win but hoping I am wrong.
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7 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I may be losing sight of what we're talking about - I thought the discussion was centering on directions for next season. (We all agree we want the top pick this year and are in a decent position to get it). Some seem to be suggesting we should roll with the kids and avoid trying to make the team better in the short run, so that we can pick high again next year. I'm saying we should be looking to improve the team over the summer, if it can be done without damaging our longer-term cap structure doing it; and if that means being tolerably competitive and not a bottom-dwelling suction eel, I'm Ok with that.
I just think our window of opportunity where we can be realistically competitive with Florida, Tampa, Toronto etc is more likely to be 3-5 years down the road. As long as improvements during the summer don't negatively affect the longer term picture then I fine with it. I just don't think that this is the summer where you go hard after a high profile free agent unless you get a really good deal and that contract doesn't become an anchor in a couple years when you might be on the verge of being really competitive. I don't think there will be a ton of cap space anyway unless some of the existing contracts are moved which will be a challenge for Hughes.
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9 minutes ago, Neech said:
I'd prefer to get a stud C in this draft, but as always I'll take BPA. Don't want another KK debacle.
I would also prefer to get a stud C with "stud" being the key part of the equation. If Wright, Cooley and Slafkovsky are all gone then Nemec may very well be the BPA but I am certainly no scout, just going by the clips I have seen and the ratings I have read.
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37 minutes ago, Commandant said:
I disagree with the premise that Wideman and Tyler Pitlick had any value. Sure getting a 7th for one or both would be great but if no one was giving it up, what can you do. I think we will see in summer that neither get 1-way NHL deals next year
I also am not sure what the market was for Allen, who played all of 2 games back from his injury before the deadline, and is under contract for next year so there is no reason to believe the best offer we could get for him was coming off the injury instead of during summer.
Its fine to want to see more than one deadline. I agree with that.
But the idea that the deadline was anything less than a major success because they didnt move those 3 is just not something I can agree with.
Agreed, I read the article and wasn't overly impressed with it. Sometimes writers get a little bored and need something to write about and get more coverage taking an alternative point of view. In my view Hugo did a great job at the deadline, of course the actual results won't show up for a couple years so you can't properly grade them yet.
Moving the difficult contracts just wasn't going to happen then. There is more work to do in the summer, I agree with that part.
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28 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Id rather take the centres that are gonna be available.... wright, cooley, geekie, savoie,
Nemec has risen steadily this year in the rankings and almost every site I have looked at has him ranked well ahead of Geekie, doesn't mean they are right. My concern with Savoie is his concussion history.
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9 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I think you ice the best team you can, without committing yourself to boat-anchor contracts that will weigh you down 3, 4, 5 years hence. And you make sure you have the best damned scouting and development people and protocols you possibly can, investing heavily in those areas.
Doing the contrary - deliberately not icing the best team you can in hope of getting a high pick - risks chasing fool’s gold anyway. We had two top-3 picks in the past decade and the results were Galchenyuk and KK. Forgive me if I don’t swoon. Meanwhile, we also risk throwing our prospects to the wolves by playing them in roles for which they are not ready.
Thus, I advocate trying to ice a respectable team while leaving cap flexibility for when you actually are in a position to make a jump.
And I agree that the goal is to have a heavy-duty, top-end team, year after year. That’s how you win a Cup: not by capturing lightning in a bottle, but by tilting the odds in your favour by having a legit contender on an annual basis. It doesn’t always work (see San Jose), but it’s a lot better than the “bubble team plus prayers” model we’ve had since about 1997.
I don't think the Habs are deliberately not icing the best team they can, if they were then Jake Allen wouldn't be playing as much as he has. And I don't think anybody here is advocating that the Habs "rest" Suzuki and Caulfield to improve their chances of losing. The Habs have iced the best team they can given all the injuries etc. and I don't think anyone here has a problem with that.
I think many of us are hoping they get as high a pick as they can given that this season has been lost for a while. Of course drafting in any position doesn't guarantee anything but it improves the odds and that's all you can ask for right now. Drafting and development must be done right, I think everyone here would agree with that.
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9 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
Comical isn’t the right word but I find it somewhat delusional when people state that we will not be good this year “but specifically in 3 years” we will be.
I understand that the mentality is actually trying to be even more rational than those who want to squeak into the playoffs in a given year, but there seems to be such little evidence to support those who always have this EXACT 3 year plan in mind. We’ve already been through many “three year” rebuilds that have led to nothing since 2000.
The fact is we are not good this year, it is not being delusional. Even with St. Louis' magic we are still 21 games below 500 and he has done a good job. There is a lot of work to do.
There are no guarantees we will be very good in 3 years but I think the seeds are being sown with the draft picks and young players Hugo has acquired to have a chance. I can't think of a better approach to take than what they have done so far. It worked for the Rangers who are young and talented, they should be a serious contender over the next several years.
I don't seem to remember any former GM's stating they were doing a rebuild, I think they were afraid to do a serious rebuild, Bergervin tinkered a bit but never embarked on a serious rebuild.
I agree a lot with what hab29retired said, I want them to build a team that is a serious top 6 contender on a consistent basis. It is tough to win a cup but if you can build a consistent contender then you have a chance each year. I think the only way do to this is to build a young core through the draft/trading veterans and then filling in the remaining holes through some astute free agent signings. They have some great young pieces to build around but they need to get a few more and get rid of some of these contracts which will be a challenge.
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5 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I don’t want to make a high cost acquisition, I want to know where we are picking and who we are picking in the draft and about Price’s future.
Are we going to have a shot at getting a high impact player that can develop into a top centre 2-3 years from draft, or a top Dman in 3-4 years? It’s important to know what hole do we think gets filled for the future during the draft.
I agree, a lot of unknowns at this point. I am not a big fan of spending a lot of money on a free agent now, I would rather wait 2-3 years when that free agent might be the final piece to a puzzle that still has a lot of missing pieces.
I think Jordan Harris has a great chance at a full time slot given his maturity, smarts and he is almost 22 with 4 years of college hockey. Guhle will also be knocking at the door. Barron I think will need a little more seasoning. I think Edmundson and Savard are enough of a veteran presence to help the kids and Romanov is rapidly developing, not a rookie anymore.
GAME#72 Habs vs Leafs Sat. 7:00pm April 9 2022
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I think Hometown Hockey is a pretty nice segment. Some of these are great stories, so easy to be cynical.