Habs Fan in Edmonton
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2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Boy, I think $4 mil would be nuts. Half of that, I can see. Mete isn't bad, but he has been the most direct beneficiary of MB's comical inability to fill glaring roster holes. Add a legitimate top-pairing LD and see what happens to Mete's profile.
Agreed, Mete hasn't done enough to even come close to 4 million a year, a good skater with a lot of potential but has a long way to go. I am thinking maybe 2 - 2.5, depending on the term. On a deeper team he would have spent time in the AHL.
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13 hours ago, sbhatt said:
Is there a sweeter taste than the despair of LeafsNation?
I would answer that question with a definite NO!!
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Maybe the wrong board for this and it's a little early but I don't mind the seeing the Blackhawks struggle, would like to see the 2nd round pick they traded to Montreal be an early 2nd round pick.
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2 hours ago, DON said:
McDonagh, Trouba, Subban have been traded for relatively recently, so i dont buy you need to get very lucky. Just need to find a team out of playoffs and rebuilding or make a regular hockey deal. Habs are relatively deep at wing, so could deal a good young winger and 1st pick for a good young(ish) d-man.
Those are good examples. Perhaps my choice of words could have been better. As you said you need to find a team in rebuild mode or perhaps one that has salary cap issues. That's why I never complain when Bergevin hasn't spent to the cap limit, good to have some powder dry if the right opportunity comes up.
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21 hours ago, Canajun said:
I don't want any more #5/#6 defensemen.
Totally agree, we have a lot of those type of defenceman already and nobody is giving away defenceman that can play in the top pair, they are expensive. You have to develop your own unless you get very lucky and find a team that is desperate.
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1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
While I still stand by my claim in another thread that Toronto has a significantly stronger line-up than ours, there are definitely thunder-clouds on TO's horizon this year. Spezza was benched for the home debut for ridiculous, petty reasons...Matthews is a #metoo embarrassment...Babcock has lost collective goodwill and there are rumours of him and Dubas being at odds...and the whole culture around the team is riven with anxiety that this stacked team has a horrible playoff record and may never make the jump to playoff success. Toronto is exactly like Montreal in that the fishbowl leads to exaggerated hysteria which can then throw an organization off track (as happened to the Habs in 2009 and 2012, say). The odds of a melt-down in the TO pressure-cooker are significant. Let's hope.
No question there is a lot of pressure for the Leafs to win this year, expectations are high and Babcock is running out of rope. It would be a real shame to see a melt down there. Not that I like to wish for bad things to happen to other teams but I can only imagine how difficult it would be to be around Leafs fans if they won the cup. Heaven forbid.
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14 minutes ago, sbhatt said:
They have 3 guys in their top 6 (Tavares, Marner, Matthews) better than any forward we have on our roster. They have added a legit PP quarterback in Barrie. Do not kid yourself, they are going to be good...their PP is going to win them a lot of games.
No question the Leafs will be very good this year. A lot more pressure on the Leafs to win this year as Ceci, Muzzin and Barrie are all UFA's after this year. Plus Babcock will be feeling the heat to win this year. At some point you have to make it past the first round.
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2 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
I like Shaw but as much as I’m rarely one to comment on players being over the hill (I love proven veterans), there’s the argument to be made that his style of play won’t last much longer. Concussions have taken a toll on him and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him play 50-60 games this year. I’d like Shaw on our team this year as well but this could have been a situation where it was actually decent asset management to trade him at this specific juncture in his career.
Totally agree with this comment. I really liked Shaw but I think he will be a depreciating asset from here on in. MB traded him while his market value was at a peak, good long term move in my opinion.
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55 minutes ago, Commandant said:
I get that. Was just commenting on what ive seen tonight.
I know. I have really high hopes for Suzuki and Brook so I am really hoping they have great camps.
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13 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Suzuki and Brook look a bit overwhelmed
Fleury looks good.
Primeau looks great.
Fleury spent a year in the AHL so expect him to look reasonably comfortable. I remember a lot of people saying that Kotkaniemi look awful in his first exhibition game last year
so Suzuki and Brook may need a few games to get comfortable.
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46 minutes ago, Neech said:
To Mtl:
Laine
To Wpg
Gallagher
Romanov
2nd
This trade would obviously hurt a lot, but Laine is a potential Richard trophy winner. Is this enough for Winnipeg?
That's an interesting trade. I don't think Winnipeg makes it because I think they want to win now but it would help them from a salary cap point of view. I love Gallagher but you would be trading him at a time when his value is high.
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12 hours ago, DON said:
Didnt seem much hesitation by Churla-Timmins etc on taking Caufield over the 2 centres Krebs-Newhook.
No hesitation at all and no hesitation turning down the trade to move 2 spots. Obviously they really wanted Caulfield with that pick. Really enjoyed the behind the scenes video, thanks for sharing.
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2 hours ago, BCHabnut said:
Great post. This sums up my view perfectly. Add to the disappointment his handling of the Markov Radulov free agency.
I agree with a lot of the post too but I am always a little surprised at the Radulov criticism. Nobody ever gives MB credit for taking a chance and bringing him over to begin with. Radulov left the NHL on bad terms originally and nobody else seemed to want to take a chance on him until MB did. I really hated to see Radulov go too, he is an excellent player. I think MB gave it his best effort to keep him but I guess it came down to money like it usually does and MB obviously would have had to offer more than Dallas because of the tax situation.
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2 hours ago, dlbalr said:
The Leafs are already going to be in LTIR for all of next season so going deeper isn't perceived as a much bigger risk. If Marner waits until during the season to re-sign like Nylander, this will give them a bit more flexibility to accommodate the higher Year 1 cap hit that will hit the books (assuming they can pile up enough contracts to get right to the Upper Limit before LTIR'ing Clarkson and Horton). If Marner re-signs this summer, then they get into offseason LTIR (and admittedly, I don't know the mechanics of that particular calculation).
In the meantime, they get a pick for someone they gave up on and it's not as if they'll have to pay a lot in cash to do it - only 20% of Clarkson's deal is uninsured. Assuming his signing bonus was paid July 1st, his salary is only $1 million so technically, they save actual money with the trade. (Where was Ottawa in all this? This seems right up their alley...)
I have to admit that I don't understand the mechanics of a lot of this. Could Vegas not claim Clarkson on LTIR but the Leafs can? What advantage does Vegas get by trading him if they could claim him on LTIR?
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40 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
I agree with your first two points. But while Bergevin undeniably made mistakes early in his tenure, his last two-three years have been strong, so I would be loth to characterize him as a "failure".
Life would be boring if we agreed all the time. Agree with point one but I do hope/believe Kotkaniemi will be a top tier player. Not worried about Price at 32, lots of examples (ie. Brodeur, Luongo) of top tier goalies who played at a high level late into their thirties. I get the criticism of Bergevin but I think he has been a far better GM the last couple years. He has taken a longer term approach by trying to develop from within. Chasing high priced free agents usually does not turn out well and Montreal doesn't seem to be a preferred choice anyway for whatever reason (taxes, language, media scrutiny) so developing your own seems to be a better choice.
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2 hours ago, Habber31 said:
Dude got jacked
Playing 3 years in college allowed Poehling to mature physically. He is ready. I will be very surprised if he doesn't make the team. Suzuki and Brook will most likely spend some time in Laval.
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13 minutes ago, Habber31 said:
This forum actually really surprises me with the support of Bergevin. 3 of the last 4 season, no playoffs, yet still we hope for the best. Hard to knock optimisum, but is it false...
I think there is support for Bergevin because he has done a much better job the last year or so of starting to turn things around. He has built the prospect pool to the point where it is one of the better ones in the NHL. Sure he made some bonehead moves in his earlier years as a GM but he seems to have learned his lesson. I am much more supportive of MB than I was a couple years ago.
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41 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Asinine decisions, but the Habs fanbase showed its true colours the following season, mindlessly getting excited about a team that missed the playoffs. There is no need for accountability and therefore no reason to excel.
I was one of those Habs fans that mindlessly got excited last season and I make no apologies for it. I am a Habs fan so I am excited to see them improving. I am excited about the kids coming up. I don't get excited when we overpay for free agents. Does anyone really know how much it would have cost to keep Radulov?
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30 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Sure he was interested 3 years ago... as a lot of teams were.
A lot less teams are interested today. I doubt Bergevin was interested. I haven't heard anything that suggests he wasAbsolutely a lot of teams were interested in Lucic back then, a big physical presence coming off a 20 goal season. He had a really good first season with Edmonton but then things went downhill quickly. The Oilers knew that at some point the 7 year contract would come back to bite them, they just didn't think it would be so quickly.
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1 hour ago, Trizzak said:
Bergevin was in on Lucic as a free agent, so there is always gonna be some underlying fear that he might circle back and try to polish that turd.
Bergevin was definitely interested in Lucic when he was a free agent. I remember an interview with Lucic where he talked about how the Habs had some really good western boys on the team (ie. Gallagher, Price, Weber) and he considered coming here. I bet Bergevin is thanking his lucky stars that he decided to sign with Edmonton. Signing Lucic to a big contract back then might have been the death knell for MB. The game has passed Lucic by but he could still be a useful 3rd liner at the right price which would be way less than 6 million/year.
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2 hours ago, Link67 said:
Holland you fox...
I agree. You would have to think Neal has a better chance of turning it around than Lucic. To say Lucic has struggled would be a huge understatement. Between the beginning of this season and the end of the previous season he scored something like 2 goals in 80 games. I never thought Holland would get rid of this contract. Of course he has to take one on but I think Neal can turn it around. You get the odd scoring opportunity playing with McDavid.
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6 hours ago, Commandant said:
Kelly writes this stupid negative shit every week. He's unreadable.
I highly doubt Kelly has even seen much of these kids.
I get tired of reading his articles. Of course we know these are prospects and there is no guarantee they will be NHL players . But there seems to be a lot of consensus (even Craig Button) that it's a very very good prospect pool. I am guessing that if the Habs wanted to trade Poehling, Suzuki etc that there would be no shortage of takers.
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46 minutes ago, TheDriveFor25 said:
You can’t say to MB - hey, Domi and Tatar has good seasons after you acquired them but it was likely a fluke so you’re fired.
He’s done a good job filling the cupboards that looked extremely bare just two years ago.
The Domi trade was a win.
The Tatar and Suzuki trade might be a homerun.
Missing the playoffs is the biggest problem so I think he gets this year to fix that or he’s gone.
And you can’t say Molsen doesn’t want to spend money - they submitted an offer sheet that would have paid a guy 21 million in a calendar year.
You cant totally fault a GM for players signing elsewhere - more factors than how good the GM is.
Again, it’s been a decent offseason and I’m sure more is to come before opening night. Give the Fire MB chant a rest for a few weeks.
Agree with your comments. Molson is definitely not afraid of spending money. I am sure he realizes that a couple playoff rounds would bring in a lot more money than the extra he would spend on a free agent. You can't force free agents to come here. I would guess that MB offered Duchesne at least as much money as Nashville. Over paying for a free agent is not the long term answer.
I don't mind criticism of MB, he has certainly made mistakes in tenure but the last couple years I believe he has done a really good job (except for Alzner) of building a good a prospect pool and the future looks much brighter. I used to post on hockey inside out but got tired of the same old criticism of Price and MB day after day after day. Posters just looking to pick a fight except when the Habs were doing well then they would disappear for a while. The world would be boring if people agreed on everything but I think you can disagree without being disagreeable.
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14 minutes ago, Commandant said:
He is Finnish, he just can't score.
OK, I should have seen that reply coming. LOL
2019-20 NHL Discussion Thread
in Habs & Hockey Talk
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Agree with this post. I think Don Cherry is a good person who does a lot of good but I thought coach's corner was supposed to be about hockey and they have strayed far from that for a while. Targeting immigrants was wrong. I think the network had no choice.