Habs Fan in Edmonton
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46 minutes ago, TheDriveFor25 said:
You can’t say to MB - hey, Domi and Tatar has good seasons after you acquired them but it was likely a fluke so you’re fired.
He’s done a good job filling the cupboards that looked extremely bare just two years ago.
The Domi trade was a win.
The Tatar and Suzuki trade might be a homerun.
Missing the playoffs is the biggest problem so I think he gets this year to fix that or he’s gone.
And you can’t say Molsen doesn’t want to spend money - they submitted an offer sheet that would have paid a guy 21 million in a calendar year.
You cant totally fault a GM for players signing elsewhere - more factors than how good the GM is.
Again, it’s been a decent offseason and I’m sure more is to come before opening night. Give the Fire MB chant a rest for a few weeks.
Agree with your comments. Molson is definitely not afraid of spending money. I am sure he realizes that a couple playoff rounds would bring in a lot more money than the extra he would spend on a free agent. You can't force free agents to come here. I would guess that MB offered Duchesne at least as much money as Nashville. Over paying for a free agent is not the long term answer.
I don't mind criticism of MB, he has certainly made mistakes in tenure but the last couple years I believe he has done a really good job (except for Alzner) of building a good a prospect pool and the future looks much brighter. I used to post on hockey inside out but got tired of the same old criticism of Price and MB day after day after day. Posters just looking to pick a fight except when the Habs were doing well then they would disappear for a while. The world would be boring if people agreed on everything but I think you can disagree without being disagreeable.
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14 minutes ago, Commandant said:
He is Finnish, he just can't score.
OK, I should have seen that reply coming. LOL
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21 hours ago, Neech said:
Does our boy crack 40 points in either year of this deal? I guess it depends on his linemates and how far he is down the depth chart. Very reliable player who will help any line he plays on.
Definitely a reliable player. I really enjoy watching him play. Very good skater, hard worker, sound defensively. If only he could finish.
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5 hours ago, JoeLassister said:
I never voiced my opinion on the offer but here it is :
I would have been 100% down with giving the next level 2x 1st, 1x2nd an 1x3rd for Aho. However, there is NO WAY that I'd have given the 4x1st picks for him.
I'm pretty sure that Aho could worth it in the end, but it's not garanteed either. He's very good, but not a generational talent.
What I trully believe is that Bergevin was not offering ANYONE the 4x1st rounder and was even relcutant to give away 2x1st.
He probably just decided to give a shot in the dark at Aho given that the owner had to spend A LOT this year and could potentially be in trouble with his liquidity.He offered the minimum package that involved a first pick in compensation and that's it.
I don't expect him offersheeting anybody else.
EDIT : In other words, I don't believe that Bergevin's plan was to get Aho by overpaying. It looks like it was to throw a line in the water totally knowing that it had a very low % of chance of success.
I agree with your thoughts. Giving away 4 1st round picks is a lot even if they are later in the first round. Pacioretty and Poehling were later first round picks so I don't think the arguement that you are not going to get anybody good later in the first round is valid. It would definitely discourage your scouting department. I would be surprised if MB tries it again although Brayden Point is tempting. The Leafs would undoubtedly match any offer sheet for Marner but it would be fun to watch.
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2 hours ago, illWill said:
I must be in the minority of people that want to keep Drouin, I think he is a big piece of our core moving forward. He is on a relatively cheap contract for what he currently produces combined with his potential. Plus I just enjoy watching him play
I also want to keep Drouin as I still think he has tons of potential and at some point I hope he will mature and realize what he needs to do to become a great pro. Plus, you are selling low right now after the slump he had. If you are going to trade a guy you might as well do it after they have had a good season when their value is higher. Arizona traded Domi after he had a bad year. How did that work out for them?
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I don't mind the Chiarot signing. He is hardly an offensive dynamo but he is a solid and tough defensive defenceman. I would rather do this than sign Gardiner for 7 million on a long term contract. Perhaps Gardiner had no interest in coming to Montreal anyway at any price. I agree that he might be the ideal partner for Petry. Hopefully Mete develops into a good partner for Weber.
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14 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
I'll take that cap hell any day.
Yup, I would gladly take that cap hell of Aho's 8.5m contract. I think there is zero chance that Carolina doesn't follow through. Even if MB had offered 10.5m I bet Carolina would still match. Teams don't like to have their good players taken away. It's also a pride/ego thing "what you don't think I can afford to match? " Sports owners have big egos. RFA's offers rarely if ever work.
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I would rather have the Habs sign no one then take on a contract everyone will regret in a couple years. They have a strong pipeline of young players, Price still has quite a few good years left, Weber maybe 2 or 3. No question they need a LD. I am not sold on Gardiner. If he was that good he would have been signed by now.
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31 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
The fact they were willing to pay Marleau for a draft choice and take on Reiner suggests to me they will bite the bullet and match. I hope I’m wrong and the offer sheet works, but I think the actual salary is pretty close to what they would have settled for and because of that they’ll match. Given the return they are getting it wouldn’t make sense for a new owner to take that return - especially given the fact they were willing to pay for an additional 1st round pick.
I agree. I would be thrilled if they didn't match but I would be shocked if they didn't match. I would love to be wrong as Aho would be a fabulous addition.
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27 minutes ago, Trizzak said:
I'm not much of a fan of trading away Shaw for picks if the cap space is going to be used on an unlikely offer sheet. If Carolina matches the offer in 7 days, then the Habs just got worse for no reason with all the top UFAs gone. LD is still a mess with or without Aho.
The past 48 hours have been exciting, but what has actually been accomplished?
I liked the Shaw trade even though I love the way Shaw plays. They pretty much got back what they gave up for him while getting his services for 3 years. Guys that play his style don't generally have really long careers and he has had injury/concussion issues. The picks will be useful.
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16 minutes ago, kaos said:
You cant expect Poehling or Suzuki to contribute this year.
I definitely expect Poehling to contribute this year, Suzuki is likely a year away and would benefit from a year in the AHL but you never know. Trading Shaw and Deslauriers has created more room.
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13 minutes ago, illWill said:
What the hell are you guys talking about? You're complaining about an offer sheet? Don't want a chance at signing an elite 21 year old on a steal of a contract? Hate that he tried? Did he kidnap your dog? Must be something I don't understand
I would be shocked if Carolina doesn't match but I give kudos to Bergevin for trying. There are a lot here who obviously are not fans of Bergevin which is fine but I think he has done an excellent job the last couple years of putting this team in a good position going forward. His early years as a GM were nothing to brag about but he seems to have his act together now.
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3 hours ago, REV-G said:
I just heard two TSN radio reporters, one from Montreal and the other Toronto, saying they wouldn't hesitate giving up a 1st rounder, Suzuki and Poehling for Sebastian Aho.....21 years old, 30 goals + 53 assists = 83 points last year. They both said what a great, immediate fit with a known commodity vs. players with great potential but haven't transitioned yet.
I think I would do it as well.
They said people have called and said, "no way do we give up prospects like that". But you'll giving up prospects to get back a prospect really.
I hope MB is at least looking to see what he can for Aho.
Suzuki, Poehling and a 1st seems like a whole lot to give up for Aho.
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Interesting that Jake Gardiner hasn't signed anywhere yet. Obviously he wasn't high on the priority list for most teams. I am guessing his market value has come down if the Habs are interested.
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13 minutes ago, Metallica said:
I was just joking
I thought you might be joking, there are other RFA's out there. I expect that if/when Carolina matches that he is not finished with the RFA route. Brayden Point is a decent player.
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18 minutes ago, Metallica said:
Maybe this is a practice run.... The real offer sheet will be Marner ?
The Leafs will match any offer for Marner. No question about that.
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14 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I know he has to put a spin job on but realistically, what are the odds this isn't matched? 5%? It wouldn't have hurt to simply say that they have plans in place no matter what the outcome of this may be.
I was excited when I first heard this but have tempered my enthusiasm as I fully expect Carolina to match. I agree with Craig Button that if the Habs had offered a little more money and had to give up 2 first round picks then there was a much better chance Carolina would not match. There are a lot of other teams with RFA's that might be a little nervous right now when Carolina matches as MB will have to do something. Maybe he could also tick off Calgary by giving Mathew Tkachuk an offer sheet.
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I really like this move. One thing for sure, MB is not getting any Christmas cards from Carolina. It definitely shows the Habs are willing to spend money up front to improve the team. I sure hope Carolina does not match but I expect they will. A 1st, 2nd and 3rd is a real cheap price to pay for a #1 center who is only 21. Carolina has to match.
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51 minutes ago, Habber31 said:
I'm sorry, but I don't have faith in Bergevin to pull trigger
It's not that I don't have faith in Bergevin to pull the trigger, it's that he is always battling against lower tax jurisdictions which makes it more difficult for him. He will likely have to overpay to get someone which I am not crazy about. That's why I love the deals for the draft picks, way cheaper to develop your own. I expect the Islanders to make a big pitch to keep Anders Lee since they didn't get anyone else. He won't be cheap.
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15 minutes ago, PMAC said:
I don’t mind the money but as usual, I find that the term required to land a free agent makes me nervous
Agreed, 7 years is a long time if it doesn't work out. I would be much more comfortable with 5.
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19 minutes ago, Commandant said:
7 x 7
That seems steep to me but he will likely get it from someone. He is an excellent puck mover, just not sold on his defensive game, has had some back issues.
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29 minutes ago, PMAC said:
What about dealing Hudon and a 2nd or 3rd Edmonton for Puljujärvi ?
If I am Montreal I would do that in a heartbeat. I don't think Edmonton would, they would rather see him go to Europe for a year. I don't think Holland is in any rush to trade him.
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41 minutes ago, Commandant said:
He should, unless he's said he's not interested in Montreal.... then you move to plan B.
What do you consider a reasonable price and term for Gardiner?
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Just saw that Deslauriers was traded for a 4th round pick. That's a lot of 4th round picks, more room for the younger guys.
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I get tired of reading his articles. Of course we know these are prospects and there is no guarantee they will be NHL players . But there seems to be a lot of consensus (even Craig Button) that it's a very very good prospect pool. I am guessing that if the Habs wanted to trade Poehling, Suzuki etc that there would be no shortage of takers.