GHT120
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13 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
If we were to get a top can’t miss high ceiling D or forward prospect for price, I’d rather do that.
Say move Price, Mete and Kulak to Edmonton for Broberg, Puljujarvi, Lavoie and Koskinen and retain $4m if Price’s salary.
Gives Oilers two cheap Dmen they are in need of, one for depth and the other with top 4 upside. They also get huge upgrade in goal.
We get more solid prospects that have potential to be elite players - and I believe Puljujarvi is the only one needing to be protected in the draft. We get an over paid mediocre goalie at a time we have dead cap, but he does have a shorter contract term than Price - and we can also expose him in the draft.
Good idea ... but realistically Mete and Kulak are 3rd pairing D on a good team ... so not much value in a trade (IMO)
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16 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
There’s a big difference in moving a goalie after a bad game and moving the highest paid goalie ever after 3 lousy to mediocre years.
Roy was moved because issues with Tremblay. The deal was horrible because the unholy trinity boxes themselves into a corner and had a GM, that had no business being in a GM/asst GM type role left to execute the trade. As much as I love Roy, I would not had as much of an issue with the rumoured trade where the habs would have gotten Nolan, Fiset and prospects/picks that Savard was going to do a year earlier. I wouldn’t have been happy with the trade, but at least a franchise type player would have came back in return.
Price is a different situation. He is the highest paid goalie in the world and hasn’t played like one for the past the past 4 years and has downright sucked or been mediocre for 3 of the past 4 years. Granted the team in front of him sucks and if there was a ever a candidate for a change of scenery rebound it’s probably Price. I think we should have tried to move him 2 years ago to someone like edmonton it Calgary as part of a true rebuild. Don’t know what the post COVID market will be like.
Agreed ... but it wasn't because of a bad game ... Roy forced the issue ... realistically, in many ways, it was amazing they managed to get as much as they did
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12 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:
hes not getting loaned out anywhere... he's staying with the habs.
Not for the season ... just until habs TC ... get him some "reps" ... but MB probably won't ... too innovative an idea
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15 minutes ago, DON said:
Anymore or this year ... this year makes some sense ... going g forward makes no sense (IMO)
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1 hour ago, JoeLassister said:
Even at his salary, losing an asset like Price for nothing in return would be some kind of very very awful management.
His cap-hit is the highest in the NHL for a goalie ... but last season he was 31st in both GAA and Sv% (minimum 25 games played) ... year before he was 12th in both (weird consistency) ... 44th and 47th the year before that ... overall, since he signed THE CONTRACT he is 24th and 28th (minimum 75 games played) ... he is an asset (especially if still perceived as even a top 5 goaltender) but so devalued in terms of "return on investment" that he really hasn't much if any value any more (IMO) ... the Habs cap structure is completely out of whack (IMO) with sooooo much of it in goal ... with the cap flat for the next two seasons and then only increasing $1 million of of the next two the added cap space would provide freedom for some aggressive moves (hopefully by a new GM ... but that is another story) -
14 minutes ago, JoeLassister said:
Damn you're right, the NMC. Shit.
BUT ... given it is close to "home" he may well agree to go ... if necessary, going into a SERIOUS re-set (trading Weber and Tartar ... taking on a couple of short-term bad contracts for a good payoff) might convince him ... but expect that means a new GM
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2 hours ago, JoeLassister said:
fawk off, Expose Price and make a deal à la Josh Anderson.
Price cannot be exposed in the expansion draft because of the No Movement Clause included in his contract ... If he agrees, I would gladly expose him ... I feel his play has yet to warrant his current cap hit and is only less likely to do so as the years progress. ... and there has been some talk that Price is a target for Seattle so it might not take much to ensure they take him
BYW ... who was the "fawk" directed at?
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1 hour ago, dlbalr said:
I get the idea behind it as it's not ideal to have him sitting but if the Habs intend to have Romanov on the NHL roster next season, do they really want him playing 15-20 games overseas and then trying to play upwards of 82 games in what will likely be a compressed timeframe? We saw how Suzuki wore down during the year and going this route with Romanov all but guarantees it'll happen with him as well.
KHL stopped play March 25th ... if 2020-21 training camp opens near the end of November that would be essentially 8 months of no games for Romanov ... most of the other actual candidates to make the Habs will have had the mini-TC and at least three games against Pittsburgh ... given that Romanov is going to have to adjust to the NHL ice surface and style/speed of play I just don't think that you want him sitting out that long ... any "loan" could have some conditions about how many games he plays ... it could even be that he only practices (that at least gets him on the ice and working out) ...
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4 hours ago, dlbalr said:
Here is what we know about Romanov:
- He cannot play for the rest of this season and will not be allowed to take part in any skates with the team as only eligible players can be included in workouts or on the roster.
- Romanov can still sign for this year within a narrow window or wait and have the deal start next season.
If he signs to burn a year this season, it must be done with 53 hours following noon EST of the third day following NHLPA ratification. Signing bonuses will not be permissible. As a result, the Habs could structure the deal with a $700,000 base salary for this season which would slightly lower the cap hit in the other two years. Romanov will not accrue a season of service time and thus would be a 10.2c player (like Poehling) when his contract is up. He's ineligible for an offer sheet as a result.
If he waits to start the deal next season, signing bonuses will be allowed which will result in a higher AAV and he will be a restricted free agent (without arbitration rights) at its expiration. However, the Habs would have a third year capped in the entry-level system which will be cheaper than what it would cost to sign him to his second deal two years from now in the first option.
MB has to agree to burn the year as the Habs have to sign the contract as well ... makes no sense for Habs to do so (IMO) unless they fear Romanov will be so "peeved" that he would sign a deal with the KHL/SHL ... he would still be on a NHL ELC whenever (if) he returns but might make more until that time ... unlikely to happen, but a possibility
I expect he will sign for 2020-21 but get loaned out to a team in a European league (assuming they start up in September/October) to let Romanov get some games in before training camp in late November/December.
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1 hour ago, DON said:
Good news ... of greatest importance (IMO) is the CBA extension ... nice to not have the clock ticking on September 15, 2022
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3 hours ago, JoeLassister said:
Anyway, here is what we should do :
1. Offersheet Sergachev at a hight, but still matchable price.
2. Throw the real offersheet to Cirelli couple days later.
Interesting strategy ... the "hiccup" is that TBL have a week to decide whether or not to match ... Habs cannot make another offer hat would require any of those picks as compensation until TBL officially notifies the NHL they are matching ... like Carolina, TBL would undoubtedly wait the full week to advise the N HL of their decision ... besides, Sergachev has to decide he is willing to play in Montreal if the offer isn't matched ... don't see him ever signing an offer sheet unless it was for Carey Price-like money ... if Cirelli is the end-game might as well just offer sheet him directly ... TBL are still up against the cap ... they either dump other useful players to make room or take the draft picks to sustain them longterm ... but not certain Cirelli fills any need ... average-sized centre, so only a slight upgrade in that sense, and is only a 19.5g/82 gm scorer ... another 20-25 goal scorer doesn't really improve the team ... and, while he admittedly got little PP time with TBL but it is risky to build an offer on the assumption that PP time will significantly up his stats
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10 hours ago, DON said:
Does seem dumb.
AND ... allowing the public into a facility used by multiple people confirmed to have tested positive for Covid-19 ... neither side of the coin makes much sense.
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25 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
I am not sure why people would want to end an entire season by losing or tanking for a single player. Winning games is something the team can control, where we end up in the draft is something nobody can control. Furthermore, there’s even a chance that a second round player becomes more valuable than a first rounder. It’s never that a single first round draft pick is guaranteed to completely change the future of your entire organization. Unless it’s a 1st or 2nd overall, and even then.
The impact of the Habs winning against the Penguins is immeasurable. Perhaps a freak hot streak from a player like Drouin (or Domi) in this play-in and playoff completely change their careers. Perhaps Carey Price has the best playoff of his career. Perhaps Suzuki and KK gain invaluable experience of playoff level hockey which can serve them in the future.
I think the positive impact that a long playoff run, or even a play-in win against the Pittsburgh Penguins could outweigh the positive impact of drafting one player. We just drafted players like Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi high in drafts and we are supposed to lose entire seasons for players like that?
If we lose, we have the bonus of having a chance at Lafreniere. It will be a nice consolation at that point. Thus the win-win. That’s it, that’s all.
The chance of a crazy hot streak supercharging a career is no more likely, perhaps even less, than a well researched top 10 draft pick having an impact ... Galchenyuk excluded as he was from what is generally considered the worst draft class of the last decade or more (bad timing there for the Habs) ...
And the impact being immeasurable means equally it could be nothing or something significant ... it is all a roll of the dice ... I get where you are coming from but when I look at the composition of the team I just don't see much potential for players to be much more than they already are ... except for Suzuki (who I see becoming a legit top liner, but not necessarily elite ... only time will tell) and KK (who needs another couple of years to be able to really project) ... for that reason I prefer to go with accumulating as many highly drafted players as possible, to increase odds hitting the jackpot (which doesn't ignore the possibility that a 2nd/3rd rounder surprises ... but it is less likely) ... I fear a play-in win sends the habs to #16 (or worse if they get lucky a couple of more times) which from all I have heard is outside the range for the players projected to have a true impact ...
But these are both opinions ... no right or wrong
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5 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
Which is basically an escrow by another name!
True ... but since the NHL doesn't know exactly how much teams will spend in salary for the season for which they are setting (in advance) the cap ceiling floor ... OR ... what the revenues will be it ... one or the other is the only way to ensure each side gets 50% of the final designated (collectively negotiated) revenues ...
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Some good news ...
Players did a great job staying in shape ... fitness plan had to be updates as players were in better shape than expected.
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8 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I'm intrigued a bit by Schuenemann - 21 points in 44 games as a defenceman in his first AHL season isn't too shabby. Vigneault is a serviceable filler player but nothing special.
Fair ... but as a soon to be 25 yr-old he likely doesn't have much upside ... 9 months younger than Olofsson (with similar stats) ... at least Leskinen is "only" 23 ... Schueneman may be a very good AHL defenceman but my gut is saying he will only ever be an "In Case of Emergency" NHLer
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Players may hate escrow ... but the only other option to ensure the 50/50 split of designated revenues would be to significantly lower salaries so less than 50% of revenues go directly to players as salaries and then have some sort of "dividend" payment to players once actual revenues are calculated sometime after the season ends to get their share up to 50%
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18 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I would not prefer 3 embarrassing losses, would prefer the players to give it a good go and end the season with a little confidence going into next year.
Understandable ... even if we don't fully agree
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1 minute ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I would not prefer 3 embarrassing losses, would prefer the players to give it a good go and end the season with a little confidence going into next year.
Understandable ... even if we don't fully agree
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14 minutes ago, DON said:
But, am not a big hater or fan of Bergevin, but change for sake of change doesn't seem to work. And I think firing the GM is quite low on Molson's things to do.
Hope there are some smart French fellows out there to replace both GM and coach at some point, but haven't heard legit options being tossed around.
At least Bergevin is quite conservative and hasn't had any Milbury-like brain-cramps.
BUT, Alzner was horrible pro scouting for sure, Sergachev looks to be a huge loss (with tinge of homerism for French Canadian) and lack of any plan B for Radulov-Markov are most recent glaring failures.
Oh and I don't put much stock in creating a president's job to oversee, seems overkill.
In this case my idea for having a President is (a) to have an actual hockey person as the GM's direct report (Molson grew up around hockey but is not a "hockey person") , and (b) to be the French face for the media to allow for a unilingual Anglo (to expand the pool of candidates).
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2 hours ago, DON said:
Translator wouldn't work, is this much of a surprise?
Not in my opinion ... think there are probably 22-ish skaters who have a real chance of being amongst those on an 18 skater game roster ... the rest are their for exposure to the experience and for the coaches/brass to get a first-hand look at some youngsters
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2 hours ago, tomh009 said:
I'd like to see a total of five games for the Habs, with a double-overtime loss as the last one!
Understand why ... I prefer three embarrassing losses that make it obvious MB hasn't built a team anywhere close to good ... but I would feel awful for the players and even the coaches
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5 minutes ago, DON said:
Good to see some degree of progress ... have heard that some players don't like the idea of voting on the entire package up or down ... but makes sense IMO as they are undoubtedly a carefully balanced, fully-entwined compromise ... fingers crossed as I do want to see some (ideally three games for the Habs - LOL) hockey this summer
And now TSN/RDS/TVA/Sportsnet can have all their spare cell phones charging and time to plan for both remote and in-studio shows (depending on the state of Covid) ...
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2 minutes ago, DON said:
Neither of them seem impressive signings, even for the Rocket ... both turn 25 in September ... Vigneault has scored 1 goal every 8 AHL games ... and while he is big he has low PIMs, so not for "toughness" ... Schueneman had Leskinen/Oloffson-like stats last year ... which seems to make him somewhat redundant ... but they'll fill out the roster
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It would take retaining half and even then I don't know that the return would be there to justify it ... with the team 2-3 years away from the youngsters becoming truly competitive that cap space could be better used (IMO)