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2 hours ago, huzer said:
I knew someone would focus on the player I randomly chose. It’s ok to disagree. Simply put, I don’t view Hoffman as the roadblock and roster liability that most here seem to. Doesn’t mean I want to extend him. Just means I don’t think the Habs need to go above and beyond to trade him, nor do I think they should try to assign him to Laval. Waive Pitlick, sit Armia, heck, sit Hoffman. RHP is a cool story and all, but folks are acting like him starting in the AHL is a massive disservice to a potential superstar forward. No youth getting a chance? There are what, 9 players 23 and under that will be on the roster opening day.You said you didn't understand why Hoffmann was targetted as much as he has. I just said some reasons people do.
Felt your comment was a tad hyperbolic going with the 19 year old 😛
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19 hours ago, huzer said:
Anyway, Hoffman was only behind Suzuki, Caufield, and Dach in scoring last season. I'm honestly baffled why he has been singled out as as issue for the roster. Signed for another few years? Sure, that would suck. But he's on an expiring contract. He's not keeping anyone significant out of the lineup. We as fans always talk about rushing guys to the NHL, but then complain when 19 year old Joshua Roy may not get an opportunity because of Hoffman.
It's not a 19 old Roy that he's taking a spot from. It's 23 Ylonen or 24 RHP. RHP probably will start the season in the AHL because of Hoffman existing.
He'll need offensive minutes to boost value when one of these heading into their prime could prove themselves instead.
He doesn't really help his teammates produce.
He doesn't do anything on defense.
Plays with the intensity of a slug.
Basically just bad modelling for a player like Caufield who's best weapon is also his shot.
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16 hours ago, GHT120 said:
Habs are currently over the $82.5M cap ceiling ... This season Gallagher's contract pretty much guarantees that, absent trades/waiver-losses, Price has to go on LTIR ... that means that any of the $4.21M in potential bonuses for this season that are earned would carry-over and count against next season's cap, that the Habs cannot accrue any cap space to potentially use at the deadline and that roster/cap management is more complicated throughout the season (e.g., have to pretty much be at $93M in total AAV to start the season to maximize Price's LTIR).
Going forward it restricts what HuGo could potentially spend on UFAs.
A bad contract is always a bad contract ... Gallagher has to (a) stay healthy and (b) get back to at least 20 goals and 60 points to change that (IMO).
Yes but we aren't contending and don't have contracts that will really test our cap.
My point was people won't be hating on him too hard because it doesn't really matter. he will still work incredibly hard and be a great leader on the third line till he can't play anymore.
Meanwhile guys like Armia and Hoffmann are overpaid, don't bring intangible elements, and are preventing young guys.
I just hope we don't turn on Gally over his contract when we aren't even competing.
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5 hours ago, huzer said:
My point was not necessarily that he will magically be worth a high pick, more that the Habs are not in a position where they need to sweeten a deal for someone to trade for him. Retain salary, sure. Add a pick or prospect to take him? Heck no.
Given their histories, Gallagher, Monahan, Evans, Savard, and Matheson will probably be injured before training camp even starts, and Armia will have a mystery illness.
Oh well, after this season, we can stop whipping on Hoffman and turn our nastiness on Gallagher and his anchor of a contract. Although I guess enough are annoyed with Armia, too.
Honestly... I don't know how much Gallagher's contract will actually impact us. We have like 6M free now... 10M next year... Cap goes up dramatically after that.. then by that point I imagine he's on ltir if we are being realistic.
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2 minutes ago, Plutarch said:
Brad Brown is in shambles
Or Terry Ryan... Man 90s was a rough time for Habs drafting Newfoundlanders in the 1st round!
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26 minutes ago, DON said:
So OK Bigger, slower, older and a different type player... but still a Newfie.
Will he be the 2nd best Newfoundlander the Habs have had or the best?
Brad Brown is in shambles
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5 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
AHL players under contract:
Abbandonato, C
Gignac, C
Bourque, LW
Martel, LW
Mckay, LW
Parker-Jones, RW
Heineman, LW 21 yrs
Simoneau, C 22 yrs(UFA signing) Maillet, C 30 yrs
(UFA signing) Andersson, C/LW 24 yrs(UFA signing, ECHL?) Novak, 24 yrs
Mysak, C 21 yrs
Mesar, RW 19 yrs
Farrell, LC 21 yrs
Beck, C 19 yrs
Kidney, C 20 yrs
Roy, RW 19 yrs
Davidson, C 20 yrs
(UFA signing) Paquette-Bisson. LD 26 yrs
(UFA signing) Keeper, RD 27 yrs
Centorame,
Dello,
Galipeau,
Tourigny,
Norlinder, LD 23 yrs
Struble, LD 21 yrs
Trudeau, LD 20 yrsMailloux, RD 20 yrs
Dobes, G 22 yrs
Primeau, G 23 yrs
(UFA signing, EHL?) Mann, GQualified AHL RFAs:
Condotta, LW 25 yrs
Stephens, C 26 yrs(NHL?, needs waivers) Ylönen, RW23 yrs
Beaudin, LD 23 yrsunsigned AHL UFAs:
Teasdale, F
Belzile, F
Bowey, D
Sund, D
Richard, F (BOS)Allard, D (SHL), Lulea)Leskinen, D (FIN, Tappara)Belzile -> NYR
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
The leafs took a guy who every site projected in the late second at best (and most had as a third rounder) with their first round pick. Let them talk.
For what it's worth I heard on some podcast before the draft that he was someone they thought he had the 'steal of the draft' potential. Can't remember if the person saying it was someone whose opinion matters but yah.
I'm also fine with the Reinbacher pick though 😛
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Just now, Plutarch said:
Toffoli was vocally a Sutter guy. Also Lucic was in talks to come back earlier then now told to talk to others. The Sutter guys are leaving. I expected Toffoli out.
Backlund is a tough one for fans I'm sure but he probably just wants a shot to compete. Him leaving would likely be tied to Lindholm staying or not.
I'm curious if Hanafin was a Sutter guy. Don't recall hearing anything but I think he was just priced out.
It's just a bad combination at once.
Also on Backlund.... I remember hearing that he really wanted the captaincy and that could be a deal breaker. Maybe he was told no?
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20 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:
I was surprised when I saw the story about Toffoli wanting out. He was one of the few on the team who was a fan of Sutter, perhaps that made him unpopular with others on the team?
Conroy is going to get quite the initiation as a rookie GM.
Toffoli was vocally a Sutter guy. Also Lucic was in talks to come back earlier then now told to talk to others. The Sutter guys are leaving. I expected Toffoli out.
Backlund is a tough one for fans I'm sure but he probably just wants a shot to compete. Him leaving would likely be tied to Lindholm staying or not.
I'm curious if Hanafin was a Sutter guy. Don't recall hearing anything but I think he was just priced out.
It's just a bad combination at once.
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On 6/15/2023 at 11:44 AM, huzer said:
Man, the Flyers are going all in with former players. Briere, Jones, Sharp, Leclair for their office staff.
What has Leclair been up to anyways?
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Can a team retain salary for part of a players contract? Like the first out of four years? Or is it all or nothing?
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22 hours ago, dlbalr said:
I think they'd like to but if they lose Hellebuyck, Dubois, Scheifele, and Wheeler (all UFA-eligible in 2024), it's really hard to move all of them and somehow stay in playoff contention, especially in a market that isn't a great draw for free agents.
I guess I meant... I wonder if they move these guys then flip what they get for guys with some term. Akin to what Vancouver did with the Horvat - hronek asset switcheroo
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17 hours ago, Commandant said:
1 bedard
2 fantilli
3 carlsson
4 michkov
5 smith
6 benson
Thoughts on the Slovak?
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So just for placing names in my head.
Both of Fantili and Carlsson would go 1oa in the slafkovsky draft
Would Smith be?
Mitchkov is 1oa talent but non on-ice hockey issues for using a big pick on him.
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3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
That’s the trouble with so many trade proposals involving the Habs. Many teams are on a rebuilding trajectory, just like we are, so they’re not plausible trading partners. The case of Dach - where a ‘rebuilding’ (or tanking) club decided to unload a 21-year-old former #3 pick (!) - was kind of a unicorn.
I may be wrong about this, but it seems to me that there are way fewer teams clinging to the ‘bubble team, anything can happen’ philosophy nowadays. Fans have generally gotten a lot smarter about the value of picks and prospects, and perhaps teams have duly twigged to the concept that you can make just as much money selling ‘hope for the future’ as you can promoting a borderline playoff club. That removes the mushy middle and leaves the Habs only with maybe 1/3 of the league as possible trade partners for guys like Anderson.
Re: PLD, as I’ve noted before, I can live with sending back a mid-range prospect at C or D but not much more than that. And if you do pull the trigger on that, you’d better have confidence in your assessment of that prospect. No more McDonaughs please.
On Winnipeg. Lots of people are saying rebuild... But with Connor and Ehlers could they just be retooling on the fly?
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2 hours ago, DON said:
Am hoping they already have top 5 ranked, not sure moving from 5th-to 3rd/4th should/will happen.
A packaging of 31&37 or package with Flames 1st rd pick by Hughes to a contender (e.g. Tampa has no picks, they have traded away their 2023, 2024, 2025 1st rd picks) who is short of picks to get a prospect or young player, or use to move up in draft for specific kid seems more likely than moving 5th pick.
I agree. Just was curious if maybe Hughes would go for a guy he knows. We just don't know his tendencies yet.
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Have people talked a lot about how Hughes coached Will Smith when he was young?
Any chance he'd want to move up at get a kid he knows? Maybe if Mitckov falls and he knows say SJ wants him or something?
Not sure it's the best move. Just spitballing predictions
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10 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I don't think this is on our end as we haven't done anything with the forum software in months so if it worked a few weeks ago, it should now. Plus, Twitter has had all sorts of bugs lately.
Shocking 😛
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40 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
That's too bad, I still think he did a good job under horrible circumstances in Calgary. His real mistake was not firing Sutter. Treliving turned a sow's arse into a silk purse only to have Sutter turn it back to a sow's arse again.
Wasn't his mistake. He left because ownership wouldn't fire Sutter.
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17 hours ago, DON said:
Short-medium-long?
"There is ample precedent for five-/six-year contracts to serve as a benchmark. The higher end of the spectrum contains players like Nikolai Ehlers (22 years of age, 8.0% of the salary cap, seven years), Matthew Boldy (22, 8.48%, seven years), William Nylander (22, 8.76%, six years), and Jake Guentzel (24, 7.55%, five years). The lower end includes the likes of Adam Henrique (23, 6.22%, six years), Joel Farabee (22, 6.14%, six years), Travis Konecny (22, 6.75%, six years) and Drake Batherson (23, 6.1%, six years).
At the current salary cap of $83.5 million, 7% equates to $5.85 million, 8% to $6.68 million, and 9% to $7.52 million."
If we did 6y at 6.5M-7.5M i would be thrilled tbh. Sets us up very nicely for four strong years from 2025-26 to 2028-29.
I figure next two years are still going to be largely irrelevant.
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2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I don’t see us taking a D at #5, and don’t see any potential dman who is ready to step into that role. Hutson is going back to college and while I’m excited of his potential. I would t want to even pencil him into being a #1 D the following year. Guhle is going to his second year. Will he regress like a lot of sophomores, or take another step forward? We don’t know.
I’m more comfortable with us at centre on the wing. On D we have a lot of “What-if” kids. I’m not sold on our goalies either, but than I don’t want to pay a lot for a goalie YET, and I hope we never sign another goalie to a $10m contract - unless the cap goes up by over $10m.
I agree that d is the big weakness as a team but the young guys need to play. Kova is older so maybe he can be a bit more out of rotation. But Barron, Xhajek, Guhle and Harris need game time.
Guhle is in the NHL now permanently. Harris won't accept a demotion well. Leaves Barron and X. We have the spot on RD for Barron so... maybe Xhajek starts in AHL and Kova is a in and out 7th?
something like
mattheson-???
Guhle-Savard
Harris-Barron
kova
then AHL is a a lot of guys... Maybe this?
Trudeau-Xhejak
Norlinder-Mailloux
Struble-Fairbrother
@dlbalrwhat's the AHL Blueline like next year?
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2 hours ago, GHT120 said:
Pacs played 5 games this season ... 5 good games (3 goals) but was never really an integral part of the team ... which isn't to say he was missed.
No but Carolinas problem was always a lack of goal scoring talent. Pacs was the move to get that talent. Injured.
Then Svetch... Their only actual weapon with pedegree beyond Aho... Goes down?
Brindamour somehow got 6 goals out of a guy who had 10 all year in Bratt, then more out of Noesen and Jarvis... Only thing he didn't manage was to turn water into wine with Puljiarvi... I'm just not sure he could make any changes to get more from that core.
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6 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:
Brindamour deserves some heat for this loss. He made 0 game adjustments and just continued with the same style and gameplay.
Tkachuk is seriously good - clutch or not, he made a huge difference in this series.
Vegas is going to get destroyed by Florida.
The fact Carolina made it this far without Pacs and Svetch? I think losing a bunch of close games without the two guys you had envisioned being your goalscorers gives him some leniency.
2023 Laval Rocket Off-season Thread
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I was oddly focused on rooting for him. Saw him in the Mem cup and loved his game. Bummed injuries have taken such a toll.